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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Dec 27, 2017 22:20:16 GMT -5
Wish i hadn't erased it after watching it several times. Seemed to me Pickett was to blame for that.
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TC
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Post by TC on Dec 27, 2017 22:21:05 GMT -5
The play I most remember from this game is that Mulmore passed up an open shot with the shot clock running down, the ball got passed around like a hot potato of no one wanting to take a shot, and someone sent MD a pass which was way too low - and he managed to get it off into a shot and canned a three and bailed the entire team out.
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hoya1984
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Post by hoya1984 on Dec 27, 2017 22:27:43 GMT -5
Look at the reaction of Marcus after the tip.
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HoyaChris
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Post by HoyaChris on Dec 27, 2017 22:29:57 GMT -5
Look at the reaction of Marcus after the tip. It looked a lot like my reaction, and I am 1500 miles away.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Dec 27, 2017 22:41:14 GMT -5
Look at the reaction of Marcus after the tip. That's why it's only his fault? Smh. Tell me what Pickett's responsibility was there.
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Post by hoya1984 on Dec 27, 2017 22:47:12 GMT -5
The player move through the middle untouched for the tip. That can not happen, it cost us the game.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Dec 27, 2017 23:01:22 GMT -5
Sure. Derrickson cost us the game.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 29, 2017 9:37:45 GMT -5
The staff has to find a way to get Derrickson more shots, he's only had double digit attempts in 4 games..
He shoots it too well to be this limited..
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Dec 29, 2017 10:19:10 GMT -5
The staff has to find a way to get Derrickson more shots, he's only had double digit attempts in 4 games.. He shoots it too well to be this limited.. Agreed. Derrickson has been great for most of our games this year but given our offensive limitations he needs to shoot more. It appears that he's working on his post game and has improved at it but he just needs to shoot from anywhere, any time he is open.
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Post by vv83 on Dec 29, 2017 10:24:41 GMT -5
The staff has to find a way to get Derrickson more shots, he's only had double digit attempts in 4 games.. He shoots it too well to be this limited.. Agreed. Derrickson has been great for most of our games this year but given our offensive limitations he needs to shoot more. It appears that he's working on his post game and has improved at it but he just needs to shoot from anywhere, any time he is open. Marcus can't really create his own shot, and our guards are not consistently good enough to get the ball to him in good scoring position. As teams scout us, they are going to collapse down into the post more and more aggressively, and it is likely to get even harder to get Govan and Derrickson the ball in good scoring position as the season progresses.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 29, 2017 11:26:25 GMT -5
Agreed. Derrickson has been great for most of our games this year but given our offensive limitations he needs to shoot more. It appears that he's working on his post game and has improved at it but he just needs to shoot from anywhere, any time he is open. Marcus can't really create his own shot, and our guards are not consistently good enough to get the ball to him in good scoring position. As teams scout us, they are going to collapse down into the post more and more aggressively, and it is likely to get even harder to get Govan and Derrickson the ball in good scoring position as the season progresses. But they're both capable of scoring from all 3 levels, I don't see why the staff can't get him more shots.. If teams are gonna sag, Jagan & Jon have to attack it.. Maybe have MD fill into the vacated space, get him more shots in transition.. Our guards stink is not a reason to do nothing imo..
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 29, 2017 11:47:17 GMT -5
Our guards lack court vision and the ability to draw defenders- makes life difficult for the bigs who need to be fed in good spots. We shouldn't give up trying though.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 29, 2017 12:16:59 GMT -5
Our guards lack court vision and the ability to draw defenders- makes life difficult for the bigs who need to be fed in good spots. We shouldn't give up trying though. I disagree both Mulmore & Mosely have good vision.. As I posted above both Jessie & Marcus can score from anywhere, they're not confined to certain spots..
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 29, 2017 12:21:01 GMT -5
I give you Mosely, but not Dickerson or Mulmore. These guys go to the hoop like runaway trains. Opponents know they're not going to shoot, so they just step in and take the charge.
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 29, 2017 12:29:25 GMT -5
I give you Mosely, but not Dickerson or Mulmore. These guys go to the hoop like runaway trains. You know they're not going to shoot, so just step in and take the charge. This. Mulmore may have decent vision, but he's not an adept passer. Mosley needs to spend all summer with a shooting machine taking 1000 shots a day. I think he can be more than serviceable with a half way decent 3 point shot and some confidence in it. I also feel like Dickerson and Mulmore would save themselves and the rest of us a lot of headaches if actually they drove with the purpose of scoring and not just creating contact and hoping for a foul call. If they don't turn it over, they're getting called for an offensive foul. Dickerson never looks like his aim is to finish, he's always trying to draw contact except the shot's so wild the call never comes. I'd like to see more of Derrickson/Govan two man, high-low action. I think the first play of the game Govan got it to Derrickson posting up for an easy bucket. They could run the reverse with Derrickson on the perimeter as a threat to shoot from 3 and have him make the pass inside to Govan given he's also one of the better passers on the team.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 3, 2018 8:17:50 GMT -5
I hope Derrickson continues to get 12+ shots per game, he’s too good not to..
To me that one legged step back wasn’t a bad shot, especially in the context that the staff should want him to be aggressive on offense..
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 3, 2018 8:47:28 GMT -5
I hope Derrickson continues to get 12+ shots per game, he’s too good not to.. To me that one legged step back wasn’t a bad shot, especially in the context that the staff should want him to be aggressive on offense.. He needs to be first or second on the team in attempts for the team to be successful, and that requires some aggression on his part. But I disagree on the step back, for the same reasons Coach did. I don't think the problem was that he took a shot there (and was aggressive). Or even that he faded away while taking it. The problem was that he could have been aggressive and taken a shot by using a move that he's more comfortable with. I don't think I've ever seen him take a shot that looked like that; apparently, coach hadn't either, so it's not like he's been working on it. One of the things I've been happy with regarding this offense is that players are being put in positions to repeat plays they can successfully complete. Jesse and Marcus on the blocks in similar spots. Jamorko in the corner. Etc.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 3, 2018 9:31:13 GMT -5
The formula for Hoyas on offense is simple. Make sure Govan and Derrickson get touches as many possessions as possible in half court sets, but always look to push the ball up the floor smartly with controlled passing for fast break opportunities when they are there.
In addition to those two, the wildcard player for me is Blair. He can fill up the basket, and I love his instincts and hustle. He will make freshman mistakes but frankly he's too talented to not be on the floor a lot. He will develop.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 3, 2018 9:39:22 GMT -5
I hope Derrickson continues to get 12+ shots per game, he’s too good not to.. To me that one legged step back wasn’t a bad shot, especially in the context that the staff should want him to be aggressive on offense.. He needs to be first or second on the team in attempts for the team to be successful, and that requires some aggression on his part. But I disagree on the step back, for the same reasons Coach did. I don't think the problem was that he took a shot there (and was aggressive). Or even that he faded away while taking it. The problem was that he could have been aggressive and taken a shot by using a move that he's more comfortable with. I don't think I've ever seen him take a shot that looked like that; apparently, coach hadn't either, so it's not like he's been working on it. One of the things I've been happy with regarding this offense is that players are being put in positions to repeat plays they can successfully complete. Jesse and Marcus on the blocks in similar spots. Jamorko in the corner. Etc. Marcus was really good last night (and really all season) and even though Ewing got on him pretty hard at points I will take what he gave us last night every night. I have to beleive Coach Ewing looks at Marcus and Jessie as not only the teams best players, but also the team leaders and he expects them to play a certain way. He needs them to play within the system the staff is instituting, make the right plays and play the entire game with great effort and focus. If Ewing does not demand that from his best two players, he can't expect that from anyone else on the team. Both of those guys play a lot of minutes and are needed to do pretty much everything for this team to succeed and you can see they both are really tired at points during the game. Marcus made some poor plays and some bad decisions toward the end of the game and I think those plays had alot to do with him being tired, along with getting hit in the face, but I am OK with coach getting on him for those plays. These guys need to embrace the high expectations that the team and staff have for them. I hope Marcus takes the coaching the right way and appreciates that coach Ewing is trying to make him the best player he can be and I am sure Ewing has been around the game long enough to know which players can take criticism and which ones can't. I am happy to see the coach holding the players accountable, even the star players.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 3, 2018 9:39:32 GMT -5
We are seeing Marcus developing and growing into a man under the tutelage of a legend and his name is Coach Patrick Ewing. Hoya Saxa!
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