SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Jan 16, 2017 23:44:00 GMT -5
So just to summarize the current argument---JTIII is either a terrible recruiter, or a terrible coach, or perhaps both.
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gunny
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Post by gunny on Jan 16, 2017 23:45:19 GMT -5
Well he's failing big time at 65% of coaching for sure. So what would you like Way? 4-5 more years for JT3 to get the roster where he needs it? Haven't you seen enough at this point? Do you really think time is going to remedy this disaster? I am sure the recruits at tonight's game were impressed with the effort and result of Georgetown. They are probably committing as I type. |
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 16, 2017 23:47:10 GMT -5
Or maybe they think they can get immediate playing time.
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gunny
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Post by gunny on Jan 16, 2017 23:49:44 GMT -5
Or maybe they think they can get immediate playing time. More likely they think, why would I want to play in front of nobody and a program going the wrong way. |
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 16, 2017 23:50:50 GMT -5
Or maybe they think they can get immediate playing time. High School kids with big ego's don't think that way. They want to be part of a good scene. That crowd, experience, et. al. will have them heading for the mid major they are probably better suited to play for. |
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Jan 16, 2017 23:50:52 GMT -5
So just to summarize the current argument---JTIII is either a terrible recruiter, or a terrible coach, or perhaps both. But...neither are JT3's fault! |
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hoyarad
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Post by hoyarad on Jan 16, 2017 23:51:13 GMT -5
You can't be serious. We have 3-4 NBA level players on our roster. I'd say we're 3rd in BE relative to talent. There's exactly one NBA level player on this roster, Peak. No one else is close right now, and Pryor is fading off the page. Not certain LJ is NBA material. |
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 17, 2017 0:01:06 GMT -5
So just to summarize the current argument---JTIII is either a terrible recruiter, or a terrible coach, or perhaps both. But...neither are JT3's fault! I like the defense. You can't blame one or the other as you just keep pointing both hands in opposite directions. III is brilliant. |
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deacon
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Post by deacon on Jan 17, 2017 0:12:02 GMT -5
So this is a real thing that apparently happened... Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. How is this acceptable on any level? |
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 17, 2017 0:17:09 GMT -5
So this is a real thing that apparently happened... Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. How is this acceptable on any level? JT2 has remained involved in the program since he "retired". This shouldn't be a shock. |
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 17, 2017 0:17:54 GMT -5
Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. How is this acceptable on any level? JT2 has remained involved in the program since he "retired". This shouldn't be a shock. Yes, it's why JTIII has a job. |
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 17, 2017 0:19:18 GMT -5
Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. How is this acceptable on any level? JT2 has remained involved in the program since he "retired". This shouldn't be a shock. Maybe he should just move his seat to the bench so he can speak direct to the coach and players. That is embarrassing if he's offering in game advice to this staff. |
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 17, 2017 6:57:55 GMT -5
www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/Just a bit of context, scroll to see all the Big East draft picks...keep going...keep going...there you go Sumner at 24 is the first. Hart follows at 30, and then LJ at 60. And...that's it. No lottery picks, none. We are past "count the pros" with one-and-dones congregating to 2-3 teams or choosing other paths. Gonzaga-Villanova is a plausible final this year. The game is exactly where it needs to be for small Catholic schools focused on basketball to have a chance to win. It was a scenario we could only dream of 10 years ago. Teams of good college players are growing together over 3-4 years coached by a figure with a long-term vision that all the players want to be a part of. And now that the opportunity is here, we can't take advantage of it.
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bostonfan
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 17, 2017 8:09:55 GMT -5
So just to summarize the current argument---JTIII is either a terrible recruiter, or a terrible coach, or perhaps both. Not sure what happened last night but that was an embarrassing effort. They played with no energy and were outworked by a team that is not really that good this year. Their offense is just so sloppy and seems to have no identity. You can sometimes accept that execution in the first game or two of the season, but at this point for them to seem so lost as to what they want to do on offense is just unacceptable. The careless turnovers have been a problem all year and at this point of the season you should not be seeing that. Providence sat back in a zone and was not creating a lot of ball pressure, but the Hoyas still threw the ball away at an alarming rate. Most of the year they been offensively efficient, when they don't turn the ball over, and shoot at a decent percentage. Last night they shot the ball awful and continued to turn it over at a high rate. That is a sure recipe for getting blown out. They really looked like a team that was just not ready to play last night. |
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Jan 17, 2017 8:17:12 GMT -5
Reality Bites. It's time folks. It's not about an incompetent coach or inadequate players. There is no need to beat up this team or its coach. He can coach. He has proved that many times. These kids do have talent--it has been on display before and including this season. It's simply about a reality that has to be acknowledged if this program is ever going to regain its luster and be considered anything but an historical afterthought.
It's about the reality of an empty arena on a holiday in prime time after two feel-good wins. It's about national television commentators again calling out the effort of the Hoya players during a wire to wire blowout loss. It's about a group of kids, playing at home after an uplifting comeback win, coming out flat and seemingly unprepared. It's about a coach watching helplessly as players abandon the system he has failed to successfully implement and seeing the team devolve into playground basketball in vein attempts to figure out how to stop this downward spiral. It's about the look on the faces of both players and coaches as everyone struggles to find answers to questions that continuously arise throughout games. Most importantly it's about the refusal to acknowledge that everything has a cycle and the Hoya brand that many of us still embrace lives on largely in the recesses of our minds and not on the basketball court.
These problems are not going to be solved through a lineup change. This collection of flawed players will not magically gel into a well-rounded team capable of playing the present or former style being touted by the coach. This team has not quit this year--it really never got started. There has been no identity on offense or defense. Just a lot of undisciplined play and running around desperately trying to figure it out while watching other teams with similar or lesser talent function in a more cohesive manner.
This season is not officially over, but this era of Hoya basketball has ended. It's time for all involved to move on and begin afresh. It may also mean the end of an era with a man and his son that has done Georgetown proud both on and off the court. That is a very sad and depressing thought, but not nearly as much as the thought of their many contributions being diminished or even lost as success on and off the court fades into memory and is replaced by irrelevance. It's time.
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Jan 17, 2017 8:49:52 GMT -5
JT2 has remained involved in the program since he "retired". This shouldn't be a shock. Maybe he should just move his seat to the bench so he can speak direct to the coach and players. That is embarrassing if he's offering in game advice to this staff. Does it even look like JTIII was heeding his advice. |
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KHoyaNYC
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 17, 2017 8:51:45 GMT -5
Reality Bites. It's time folks. It's not about an incompetent coach or inadequate players. There is no need to beat up this team or its coach. He can coach. He has proved that many times. These kids do have talent--it has been on display before and including this season. It's simply about a reality that has to be acknowledged if this program is ever going to regain its luster and be considered anything but an historical afterthought. It's about the reality of an empty arena on a holiday in prime time after two feel-good wins. It's about national television commentators again calling out the effort of the Hoya players during a wire to wire blowout loss. It's about a group of kids, playing at home after an uplifting comeback win, coming out flat and seemingly unprepared. It's about a coach watching helplessly as players abandon the system he has failed to successfully implement and seeing the team devolve into playground basketball in vein attempts to figure out how to stop this downward spiral. It's about the look on the faces of both players and coaches as everyone struggles to find answers to questions that continuously arise throughout games. Most importantly it's about the refusal to acknowledge that everything has a cycle and the Hoya brand that many of us still embrace lives on largely in the recesses of our minds and not on the basketball court. These problems are not going to be solved through a lineup change. This collection of flawed players will not magically gel into a well-rounded team capable of playing the present or former style being touted by the coach. This team has not quit this year--it really never got started. There has been no identity on offense or defense. Just a lot of undisciplined play and running around desperately trying to figure it out while watching other teams with similar or lesser talent function in a more cohesive manner. This season is not officially over, but this era of Hoya basketball has ended. It's time for all involved to move on and begin afresh. It may also mean the end of an era with a man and his son that has done Georgetown proud both on and off the court. That is a very sad and depressing thought, but not nearly as much as the thought of their many contributions being diminished or even lost as success on and off the court fades into memory and is replaced by irrelevance. It's time. I think there is a shift underway this year unlike others in that the media and opposing teams are more starkly than ever calling out the dysfunction they see on the court. As fans, we will always be the most critical of the Hoyas shortcomings. But what is going on now in the public is deeper and more damaging to the Georgetown brand and may be enough to be a catalyst for change. We'll see. |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 17, 2017 8:58:01 GMT -5
Why would fans be the most critical? I am not saying that to be argumentative or to put down anyone's opinion; that concept just does not compute with me. In my world, fans should be the most patient and supportive, so please help me understand that mindset. Thanks.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 17, 2017 9:04:10 GMT -5
Rock meet bottom. I am done going to games for the year. I can't stomach it anymore. I'll be at the Butler away game because I already set that weekend up. Attendance was awful, effort was worse, and coaching & preparation were non-existent. We are 4-8 the rest of the way is my best guess. Some brief fire thompson cheers last night from students but overall they were pretty solid. There just wasn't anything to cheer about.
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turbohoya
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Post by turbohoya on Jan 17, 2017 9:21:52 GMT -5
Word is out - Georgetown is soft, keep going to the hoop, you'll get what you want... That's the reputation. It's Bilas on TV, it's Marquette's players, it's Cartwright last night just getting everywhere he wanted to go, etc. etc. We are S O F T and the world knows it.
We lost last night's game before stepping on the court - it was written on the players' faces, on coach's face - we are losers, we act like losers, we resign like losers, we folded so fast at the beginning of the 2nd half it reminded me of StJ fold last Monday. That's who we look like except they have managed to beat 3 BE teams this year so far and we can't even get past a MEDIOCRE Providence team that lost to DePaul.
Enough talk of talent, enough with the talk of NBA caliber... We are the WORST team in the Big East so changes need to be made, immediately...
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