DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 16, 2017 23:10:36 GMT -5
You can't be serious. We have 3-4 NBA level players on our roster. I'd say we're 3rd in BE relative to talent. There's exactly one NBA level player on this roster, Peak. No one else is close right now, and Pryor is fading off the page. |
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 16, 2017 23:11:01 GMT -5
He is well aware of the problem (I hope?). However, bad recruiting has a way of rearing its ugly head. You can't undo it during the season. What we need, can't be fixed with one recruiting class, unless you recruit like Duke or Kansas or Kentucky. You need to recruit/build your roster/program like the good teams in our conference. And have a plan on how you want to play before starting to recruit. Bingo. In order to have a plan, you first need an identity. His Dad had an identity. Even during his auto-pilot years, the style of play and foundation never changed. His teams were still at least competitive. III's foundation is Princeton. We don't even look like that anymore. |
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 16, 2017 23:12:04 GMT -5
We have some talent. Anyone really think Providence has more talent? Something has to change, this isnt just 1 off year. Yes, Providence has more talent. They also have a good coach. |
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AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Jan 16, 2017 23:12:33 GMT -5
Thompson is not just the coach he is the CEO of Georgetown Basketball. Through no small part of nepotism he was given the job. At what point do we deem the trajectory of the program, not team, but program unacceptable? The results speak for themselves. We are at the bottom with DePaul. Compensation has exceeded results. We miss on recruits. When we do recruit highly regarded players they underperform. Players are transferring. He signs/needs transfers, not to complement, but to piece-meal a team together because he realized after how many years you needs guards not 7 footers or point-forwards at the top of the key taking swipes at the other teams guards as they penetrate at will.
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95hoya
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Post by 95hoya on Jan 16, 2017 23:12:52 GMT -5
You are only as good as your talent. Look at other Big East teams and then look at us. It is like night and day. III is getting the most out of his talent. It just isn't much there right now. Applaud the guys for giving the effort. They are trying. Good teams just seem to be one step ahead of us in many ways. You can't be serious. We have 3-4 NBA level players on our roster. I'd say we're 3rd in BE relative to talent. Even a marginal coach would have this bunch on the fringe of the T25, much less in the conference cellar. No sane person could argue that JT3 is getting the most out of this group. We don't have a single guy on the roster projected as a 1st rounder. So how do we have 3 or 4 NBA level guys? |
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smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 16, 2017 23:13:23 GMT -5
We have some talent. Anyone really think Providence has more talent? Something has to change, this isnt just 1 off year. Yes, Providence has more talent. They also have a good coach. They certainly have more talent on the sideline. |
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Post by tullamore2 on Jan 16, 2017 23:13:45 GMT -5
15 straight losses to Big East teams not named DePaul or St. John's.
But don't worry, JT3 is a decent man.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 16, 2017 23:14:38 GMT -5
And have a plan on how you want to play before starting to recruit. Bingo. In order to have a plan, you first need an identity. His Dad had an identity. Even during his auto-pilot years, the style of play and foundation never changed. His teams were still at least competitive. III's foundation is Princeton. We don't even look like that anymore. Whose fault is that? He chose to dilute what brought him success early in his career here.. Imo he should go back to it, when all else fails go with what you know.. |
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AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Jan 16, 2017 23:15:12 GMT -5
Yes, back to the Ivy League.
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Post by hoyamonarch on Jan 16, 2017 23:16:14 GMT -5
We have some talent. Anyone really think Providence has more talent? Something has to change, this isnt just 1 off year. Yes, Providence has more talent. They also have a good coach. I dont see it.....where? A decent point guard. Bullock. lindsay. Holt. I mean really? peak, Pryor, Govan, MD cant match up to that? |
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Post by tullamore2 on Jan 16, 2017 23:20:54 GMT -5
Enough is enough.
Incompetence should not be accepted. He should show so dignity & self respect and just resign.
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smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 16, 2017 23:21:08 GMT -5
1. Peak was ranked 37th by Draft.com as recently as last week.
2. Derrickson absolutely has NBA skills
3. Govan is young, but has NBA touch for a big man. He couldn't play in the league next season, but he should project there in two more years.
4. Pryor and Mosley aren't NBA players but are solid contributors
Aside from Nova and Xavier, there aren't many teams in the league that have a better 5 (albeit w/o a pure point, and whose fault is that?) in terms of pure talent.
And Providence? Please.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 16, 2017 23:21:14 GMT -5
It's a broken record, but given JTIII's strategic deficiencies, we have to recruit at a near-elite level to be good. We need to recruit at the level Syracuse does, for example. It's not a panacea, but it gives you a chance. We have middling talent, and it shows when we have the omnipresent 5+ minute scoring droughts that have marked JTIII's coaching tenure.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 16, 2017 23:23:04 GMT -5
Yes, Providence has more talent. They also have a good coach. I dont see it.....where? A decent point guard. Bullock. lindsay. Holt. I mean really? peak, Pryor, Govan, MD cant match up to that? They didn't tonight. You don't lose by that much and get spanked at home due to just bad coaching. |
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Post by hoyamonarch on Jan 16, 2017 23:25:37 GMT -5
I dont see it.....where? A decent point guard. Bullock. lindsay. Holt. I mean really? peak, Pryor, Govan, MD cant match up to that? They didn't tonight. You don't lose by that much and get spanked at home due to just bad coaching. What was it? They certainly arent 20 points better. And even if you argue the talent level is even, they beat us twice. Something needs to change. I dont think the talent level is so bad thay we can only beat St Johns and Depaul. |
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 16, 2017 23:27:15 GMT -5
So this is a real thing that apparently happened...
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smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 16, 2017 23:28:53 GMT -5
I dont see it.....where? A decent point guard. Bullock. lindsay. Holt. I mean really? peak, Pryor, Govan, MD cant match up to that? They didn't tonight. You don't lose by that much and get spanked at home due to just bad coaching. Are you serious? Are you so accustomed to appalling coaching that you have forgotten its value? |
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 16, 2017 23:33:28 GMT -5
They didn't tonight. You don't lose by that much and get spanked at home due to just bad coaching. Are you serious? Are you so accustomed to appalling coaching that you have forgotten its value? Coaching is important, but recruiting and building a roster is at least 65% of coaching. All the motivation and X's and O's can only do but so much without the talent. |
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 16, 2017 23:35:45 GMT -5
Are you serious? Are you so accustomed to appalling coaching that you have forgotten its value? Coaching is important, but recruiting and building a roster is at least 65% of coaching. All the motivation and X's and O's can only do but so much without the talent. Well he's failing big time at 65% of coaching for sure. |
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smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 16, 2017 23:40:19 GMT -5
Coaching is important, but recruiting and building a roster is at least 65% of coaching. All the motivation and X's and O's can only do but so much without the talent. Well he's failing big time at 65% of coaching for sure. So what would you like Way? 4-5 more years for JT3 to get the roster where he needs it? Haven't you seen enough at this point? Do you really think time is going to remedy this disaster? |
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