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Post by blueandgray on Jan 10, 2017 12:08:42 GMT -5
The difference is that at UCLA when you are on the hot seat, you are really on the hot seat. Plus it's a little easier to do that when you have a top recruiting class coming in. No doubt it was a classy (and calculated) move by Alford but by no means should that create an expectation for other coaches.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 10, 2017 12:18:32 GMT -5
With the blowout win tonight, JT3 is now earning $333,333.33 per win this season. If we win the rest of our regular season games, that number drops to $130,434.78 per win this season — which, I think we'd all agree, would be quite the bargain. During his tenure at Georgetown, JT3 is now averaging approximately $100,000 for each of his 273 wins over the last 12.5 seasons (approximately 22 wins per season). What about practice? |
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jan 10, 2017 12:27:33 GMT -5
During his tenure at Georgetown, JT3 is now averaging approximately $100,000 for each of his 273 wins over the last 12.5 seasons (approximately 22 wins per season). What about practice? |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 10, 2017 15:01:06 GMT -5
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Post by seaweed on Jan 10, 2017 15:16:37 GMT -5
The good Professor walked right into that one... On a separate note, how much credit does III get for working in the hardest conference in college hoops? Everyone grumbles that he doesn't do this or doesn't do that and I don't want to discuss the merits of any individual argument. I am just wondering if all the arm-chair, Monday morning quarterbacks are grading on an appropriate curve based on the BEast being the toughest conference to win in the country. Between playing home and home with everyone (familiarity, experience etc), consistently have 8-10 Top 25 games in conference, a conference with rabid fan bases and some scary home court advantages (which we can't maintain) and all other factors, is a poor performance or two in the BEast as disappointing as a poor performance in some schlub conference like the ACC or B1G? |
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Post by drquigley on Jan 10, 2017 16:32:08 GMT -5
The good Professor walked right into that one... On a separate note, how much credit does III get for working in the hardest conference in college hoops? Everyone grumbles that he doesn't do this or doesn't do that and I don't want to discuss the merits of any individual argument. I am just wondering if all the arm-chair, Monday morning quarterbacks are grading on an appropriate curve based on the BEast being the toughest conference to win in the country. Between playing home and home with everyone (familiarity, experience etc), consistently have 8-10 Top 25 games in conference, a conference with rabid fan bases and some scary home court advantages (which we can't maintain) and all other factors, is a poor performance or two in the BEast as disappointing as a poor performance in some schlub conference like the ACC or B1G? Up until last year I would have bought this argument. But Villanova pretty well puts this argument to rest. Sorry guys but damn Nova shows what can be done with quality players and quality coaching -- even in the tough BE. |
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Post by practice on Jan 10, 2017 16:58:17 GMT -5
The good Professor walked right into that one... On a separate note, how much credit does III get for working in the hardest conference in college hoops? Everyone grumbles that he doesn't do this or doesn't do that and I don't want to discuss the merits of any individual argument. I am just wondering if all the arm-chair, Monday morning quarterbacks are grading on an appropriate curve based on the BEast being the toughest conference to win in the country. Between playing home and home with everyone (familiarity, experience etc), consistently have 8-10 Top 25 games in conference, a conference with rabid fan bases and some scary home court advantages (which we can't maintain) and all other factors, is a poor performance or two in the BEast as disappointing as a poor performance in some schlub conference like the ACC or B1G? Up until last year I would have bought this argument. But Villanova pretty well puts this argument to rest. Sorry guys but damn Nova shows what can be done with quality players and quality coaching -- even in the tough BE. Let me echo that ... we play in a conference with multiple top 20 teams -- and the reigning national champion. Last time I checked no one in conference out facility'ed us recently. With the Thompson Center, I assume we have the premier practice facility in the Big East. Providence, Nova, St. John's, Marquette and others play in NBA style arenas. No excuses! |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 10, 2017 18:12:06 GMT -5
Up until last year I would have bought this argument. But Villanova pretty well puts this argument to rest. Sorry guys but damn Nova shows what can be done with quality players and quality coaching -- even in the tough BE. Generally, I agree with you. But, Villanova's example really isn't a good one. Yes, they won one championship. But if things went a few different ways maybe we would have won in 2007. I think that winning a championship at the highest level for programs in Georgetown's category (including pretty much every Big East team) is extremely difficult. None of our conference schools regularly recruit one and dones, we don't have coaches with NBA pipelines (like Kentucky), we don't have any blue bloods, and we don't have massive state schools that will fill huge arenas. I mean, there's a reason why aside from Duke (really, the only private school blueblood, unless you want include Syracuse - I won't), only two private schools have won the NCAA championship since 1985. That's more than coincidence, and I think the evolution of the game and recruiting has only accentuated those tendencies. The home-and-home definitely brings it's challenges, but I don't think we can use it or the conference as an excuse. The home-and-home might make it harder to go 17-1 or some crazy record like that, but it doesn't present us from putting out a really good basketball product that's better than the one we've had this season. |
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 10, 2017 18:19:55 GMT -5
The good Professor walked right into that one... On a separate note, how much credit does III get for working in the hardest conference in college hoops? Everyone grumbles that he doesn't do this or doesn't do that and I don't want to discuss the merits of any individual argument. I am just wondering if all the arm-chair, Monday morning quarterbacks are grading on an appropriate curve based on the BEast being the toughest conference to win in the country. Between playing home and home with everyone (familiarity, experience etc), consistently have 8-10 Top 25 games in conference, a conference with rabid fan bases and some scary home court advantages (which we can't maintain) and all other factors, is a poor performance or two in the BEast as disappointing as a poor performance in some schlub conference like the ACC or B1G? Well, maybe if the Hoyas were only struggling in conference. It really doesn't explain the bad losses to the Radfords and Arkansas States of the world. |
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 10, 2017 18:31:13 GMT -5
You really think the be is harder than the acc?
Disagree
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Post by seaweed on Jan 10, 2017 18:41:19 GMT -5
sure do - we don't have BC, GTech or Wake. I would rather play any of them than Provy, DePaul or even SJU. 'Cuse says the same and they have already beaten Miami and Pitt in ACC play.
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Post by guru on Jan 10, 2017 21:13:41 GMT -5
Up until last year I would have bought this argument. But Villanova pretty well puts this argument to rest. Sorry guys but damn Nova shows what can be done with quality players and quality coaching -- even in the tough BE. Generally, I agree with you. But, Villanova's example really isn't a good one. Yes, they won one championship. But if things went a few different ways maybe we would have won in 2007. I think that winning a championship at the highest level for programs in Georgetown's category (including pretty much every Big East team) is extremely difficult. None of our conference schools regularly recruit one and dones, we don't have coaches with NBA pipelines (like Kentucky), we don't have any blue bloods, and we don't have massive state schools that will fill huge arenas. I mean, there's a reason why aside from Duke (really, the only private school blueblood, unless you want include Syracuse - I won't), only two private schools have won the NCAA championship since 1985. That's more than coincidence, and I think the evolution of the game and recruiting has only accentuated those tendencies. The home-and-home definitely brings it's challenges, but I don't think we can use it or the conference as an excuse. The home-and-home might make it harder to go 17-1 or some crazy record like that, but it doesn't present us from putting out a really good basketball product that's better than the one we've had this season. How can you write such drivel? "If things went a few different ways" we might have won in 2007? "If things went a few different ways" then Butler might have won back to back titles and Villanova might have won in 2009 and have two titles now as well. And thus you are hoisted with the petard of your own dreamy hypothetical. Oh, and if my uncle had t-ts he'd be my aunt. Your hard-nosed optimism is admirable in such bleak times, but by this point in the program's downward spiral (and yes, that's what we are in) you have contorted yourself with such twisted logic to justify your position you'd make a pretzel wince. |
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Post by drquigley on Jan 10, 2017 21:36:07 GMT -5
Up until last year I would have bought this argument. But Villanova pretty well puts this argument to rest. Sorry guys but damn Nova shows what can be done with quality players and quality coaching -- even in the tough BE. Generally, I agree with you. But, Villanova's example really isn't a good one. Yes, they won one championship. But if things went a few different ways maybe we would have won in 2007. I think that winning a championship at the highest level for programs in Georgetown's category (including pretty much every Big East team) is extremely difficult. None of our conference schools regularly recruit one and dones, we don't have coaches with NBA pipelines (like Kentucky), we don't have any blue bloods, and we don't have massive state schools that will fill huge arenas. I mean, there's a reason why aside from Duke (really, the only private school blueblood, unless you want include Syracuse - I won't), only two private schools have won the NCAA championship since 1985. That's more than coincidence, and I think the evolution of the game and recruiting has only accentuated those tendencies. The home-and-home definitely brings it's challenges, but I don't think we can use it or the conference as an excuse. The home-and-home might make it harder to go 17-1 or some crazy record like that, but it doesn't present us from putting out a really good basketball product that's better than the one we've had this season. Sorry but Nova is the perfect example and role model. 3 straight BE championships, 48-4 BE record. Average over 30 wins a season. We have to ask ourselves how they did and continue to do it (See what they did to Xavier tonight). But the point is it can be done. No excuses. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 11, 2017 0:12:27 GMT -5
How can you write such drivel? "If things went a few different ways" we might have won in 2007? "If things went a few different ways" then Butler might have won back to back titles and Villanova might have won in 2009 and have two titles now as well. And thus you are hoisted with the petard of your own dreamy hypothetical. Oh, and if my uncle had t-ts he'd be my aunt. Your hard-nosed optimism is admirable in such bleak times, but by this point in the program's downward spiral (and yes, that's what we are in) you have contorted yourself with such twisted logic to justify your position you'd make a pretzel wince. Sometimes I wonder about the reading comprehension on this board. I fully admit Villanova has done great, especially in the new Big East era. Clearly, they are doing a lot of things well. Of teams that aren't blue-bloods or in the football conferences, Villanova has clearly been among the best for a few years in a row. Can Georgetown achieve that level of success? Yes, I think we can. Have we achieved that level of success since 2007? We've had individual good years, though not in March. At the beginning of the season, I was less optimistic than most. Do I hope we can turn things around this year? Yes. It may not happen, and I admit that hoping for it is "optimistic" in the sense that's it's less than a 50% proposition at this point. The point of my post wasn't even to "defend" the program or it's "downward spiral" that featured a 4 seed just two years ago. |
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Post by Hoyaholic on Jan 11, 2017 1:24:37 GMT -5
[/quote]Sorry but Nova is the perfect example and role model. 3 straight BE championships, 48-4 BE record. Average over 30 wins a season. We have to ask ourselves how they did and continue to do it (See what they did to Xavier tonight). But the point is it can be done. No excuses.[/quote]
Step One - Recruit two sub-100 level players in 2013, one of whom turns into the best player in the nation, and the other is Kris Jenkins.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 11, 2017 9:06:31 GMT -5
I have the utmost patience. The backcourt is coming together and when it does completely, LOOK OUT! It takes time I guess. Hoya Saxa! I'm with you coach!
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Post by This Just In on Jan 11, 2017 9:21:55 GMT -5
Generally, I agree with you. But, Villanova's example really isn't a good one. Yes, they won one championship. But if things went a few different ways maybe we would have won in 2007. I think that winning a championship at the highest level for programs in Georgetown's category (including pretty much every Big East team) is extremely difficult. None of our conference schools regularly recruit one and dones, we don't have coaches with NBA pipelines (like Kentucky), we don't have any blue bloods, and we don't have massive state schools that will fill huge arenas. I mean, there's a reason why aside from Duke (really, the only private school blueblood, unless you want include Syracuse - I won't), only two private schools have won the NCAA championship since 1985. That's more than coincidence, and I think the evolution of the game and recruiting has only accentuated those tendencies. The home-and-home definitely brings it's challenges, but I don't think we can use it or the conference as an excuse. The home-and-home might make it harder to go 17-1 or some crazy record like that, but it doesn't present us from putting out a really good basketball product that's better than the one we've had this season. Sorry but Nova is the perfect example and role model. 3 straight BE championships, 48-4 BE record. Average over 30 wins a season. We have to ask ourselves how they did and continue to do it (See what they did to Xavier tonight). But the point is it can be done. No excuses. On top of that just compare the head to head record of Gtown vs Nova in the NBE: Record Vs. Villanova: 1-6 (.142) |
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Jan 11, 2017 9:46:24 GMT -5
Generally, I agree with you. But, Villanova's example really isn't a good one. Yes, they won one championship. But if things went a few different ways maybe we would have won in 2007. I think that winning a championship at the highest level for programs in Georgetown's category (including pretty much every Big East team) is extremely difficult. None of our conference schools regularly recruit one and dones, we don't have coaches with NBA pipelines (like Kentucky), we don't have any blue bloods, and we don't have massive state schools that will fill huge arenas. I mean, there's a reason why aside from Duke (really, the only private school blueblood, unless you want include Syracuse - I won't), only two private schools have won the NCAA championship since 1985. That's more than coincidence, and I think the evolution of the game and recruiting has only accentuated those tendencies. The home-and-home definitely brings it's challenges, but I don't think we can use it or the conference as an excuse. The home-and-home might make it harder to go 17-1 or some crazy record like that, but it doesn't present us from putting out a really good basketball product that's better than the one we've had this season. How can you write such drivel? "If things went a few different ways" we might have won in 2007? "If things went a few different ways" then Butler might have won back to back titles and Villanova might have won in 2009 and have two titles now as well. And thus you are hoisted with the petard of your own dreamy hypothetical. Oh, and if my uncle had t-ts he'd be my aunt. Your hard-nosed optimism is admirable in such bleak times, but by this point in the program's downward spiral (and yes, that's what we are in) you have contorted yourself with such twisted logic to justify your position you'd make a pretzel wince. Would you please chill out? Can't someone have a differing opinion than your relentlessly negative one without being belittled and insulted? |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 11, 2017 9:49:17 GMT -5
I thought the Hoyas had a good game plan the other night and made very solid adjustments during the game. Execution was sloppy at times but I do not think preparation is the issue with this team.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 11, 2017 10:08:56 GMT -5
Up until last year I would have bought this argument. But Villanova pretty well puts this argument to rest. Sorry guys but damn Nova shows what can be done with quality players and quality coaching -- even in the tough BE. Generally, I agree with you. But, Villanova's example really isn't a good one. Yes, they won one championship. But if things went a few different ways maybe we would have won in 2007. I think that winning a championship at the highest level for programs in Georgetown's category (including pretty much every Big East team) is extremely difficult. None of our conference schools regularly recruit one and dones, we don't have coaches with NBA pipelines (like Kentucky), we don't have any blue bloods, and we don't have massive state schools that will fill huge arenas. I mean, there's a reason why aside from Duke (really, the only private school blueblood, unless you want include Syracuse - I won't), only two private schools have won the NCAA championship since 1985. That's more than coincidence, and I think the evolution of the game and recruiting has only accentuated those tendencies. The home-and-home definitely brings it's challenges, but I don't think we can use it or the conference as an excuse. The home-and-home might make it harder to go 17-1 or some crazy record like that, but it doesn't present us from putting out a really good basketball product that's better than the one we've had this season. How about 16-2 the last three years for Nova? Look I'm not a Novaphile, I probably hate them more than most since I attended an Augustinian High School and lots of my friends went to Nova, but Wright and company really seem to have found the winning formula. But it's not a secret formula. Out there for all to see. As pointed out elsewhere on this thread it starts with recruiting. Gotta find those guys who can contribute from day one, improve from year to year and hopefully stay at least 3 years. Also have to adopt a style of play that works in today's 3 point happy, touch foul environment. If that means eschewing the 6'10" big man (Govan, Hayes,) for smaller, quicker, more athletic forwards/guards then do it. Finally, it means looking for floor leaders. Guys who can manage the game and who you can go to in the last 5 minutes or overtime. One thing stood out during the recent Butler game. To a man, everyone in my group at the game knew that we had to win that game in regulation. We just couldn't see who would take over the overtime for the Hoyas while Butler had 2-3 guys who could. |
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