JT III Coaching Discussion

[JohnnyJones]

Jan 6, 2017 23:57:20 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

Jan 6, 2017 23:47:46 GMT -5 hoyafan2014 said:

I Don't like losing. Who does? I do like the fact that there are some changes with the program. I like the new assistant coaches. I like that our style of play has changed a little bit and we are drawing more fouls. I like that we have a highly rated point guard coming in next year.

I was excited about this year. I felt that we were going to have a complete team. We don't. We needed a confident Copeland to complement Prior and Peak. With Copeland not playing well and now gone, we need another player to step up. I had hoped that Mulmore would avg 9-11 points per game. That's not happening. My expectations have been tempered. I am disappointed.

Am I disappointed with JTIII? I am disappointed with the whole team. At the same time, he had to coach with what he has to work with. I believe that Peak is the only remaining ESPN top 50 recruit on the team now. I could be wrong, but I believe that we have 7 players that were not even ranked in the top 100 (granted, you really should not include Prior) coming out of high school. Prior and Peak have been playing great. If either one of them struggles, we are in trouble. We are a good free throw shooting team that missed a lot the last 2 games. We have a center that shoots like Curry, but he appears hesitant to shoot most times. Copeland is gone, our point guards don't appear super confident, and we are starting to struggle from the free throw line. Derrickson played great last game. We need more of that from him. Govan needs to be told to shoot the outside shot every chance that is set and gets an open look. The point guards need to be told to drive into the lane more and either draw a foul or kick it out for a wide open 3. With a few tweeks, I think that this team can be better. Defense: We were great defensively a few years ago. Did the new fouling rule crush our defense to where we either play timid or we foul out?

Do I blame JTIII for recruiting? He appears to put in the effort. I think that every coach is going to have some good and bad luck with recruits. He missed on Anderson and Noel, but I think that it was tough for Georgetown to land players of their caliber against those schools comparing everything between schools. Now that our facilities have been brought to the 21st century, he might be able to win more recruiting battles.

I don't have my torch and pitchfork out. I do have a fear that the grass may not be greener and that we could lose Waters. If next year is more of the same, I will at least get my torch out.

The season has a lot left to be played. We just need to win one game at a time.

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FYI: Hoyafan2014 appears to have joined the board six months before you did.

[GIGAFAN99]

So on this topic, I was wondering "how bad can you be and not get fired at Georgetown?"

Surprising answer: Not really that bad

Worst classes under one coach without a change last 50 years:

'71
53-45; 1 NIT

'76
64-44; 2 NCAAs

'16
80-50; 41-31; 2 NCAAs, 1 win; 1 NIT, 1 win

'03
82-49; 31-33; 1 NCAA, 2 wins; 2 NITs, 5 wins

'94
80-48; 38-32; 3 NCAAs, 3 wins; 1 NIT 4 wins

'17 (to date)
63-51; 27-30; 1 NCAA, 1 win; 1 NIT 1 win

Obviously you'll notice a trend. Jack Magee and Craig Esherick had one more (losing) season and were gone. JT the first time had ended a 30-year NCAA drought so was on the upswing. The second time he went to the 2nd weekend the following two years with Iverson.

So really, this has the potential to be one historical escape act if JTIII survives this season on its current trajectory. There's a lot of talk that the Hoyas accept mediocrity but that's only sort of true. The acceptable level of mediocrity seems to be pretty high. Outright stinking appears to be frowned upon.

[DFW HOYA]

Jan 7, 2017 11:54:58 GMT -5 GIGAFAN99 said:

Obviously you'll notice a trend. Jack Magee and Craig Esherick had one more (losing) season and were gone. JT the first time had ended a 30-year NCAA drought so was on the upswing. The second time he went to the 2nd weekend the following two years with Iverson.

There is little or no correlation to this argument. The circumstances of Jack Magee have to be put in perspective. He did not get along with athletic director Bob Sigholtz and the two publicly sparred in the press. Sigholtz did not want to renew Magee's contract in 1973 and devised a ridiculous schedule that had the Hoyas on the road for five straight weeks (Dec 13 through January 22) and games at two top five teams. Art White had quit school and the Hoyas predictably lost nine straight.

[smokeyjack]

In my opinion, the current regime has just gotten very, very stale. Today's game (Butler) was a perfect example of why we need a change. Even with a lead late, we found ways to lose.

Don't cover the pick and roll for three on a guy shooting 75% on the year (and kids def didn't know they should have stayed on Fowler - that's coaching).

Don't box the same kid out late.
Miss free throws (admittedly not JT3's fault).
Have no clue what to run after TO call with 5 seconds left and wind up with a terrible chuck at the buzzer.

Then 3 puts Pryor back in for overtime after he was not only off all game, he was forcing shots and playing shoddy defense. Pryor forces a shot on the first possession of OT, and set a lousy tone for the whole period.

Leaves Hayes on the floor for OT when he is a total liability as a FT shooter, and that comes home to roost.

I mean seriously, I look at those two rosters and see virtually no disparity in talent and experience other than a possible advantage for GU. And yet....

That's coaching folks, plain a simple. It's just time for a change. It's been time. We all know that. Can anyone on this board claim with a straight face that JT3 wouldn't be either fired or be tops on every hotseat list if his last name wasn't Thompson?

I like the young John. But it's time for all of us to acknowledge that it's over.

[SDHoya]

The team was fired up for the game today. I give the coach credit for that. But they also wilted when it mattered. Today's game, on its own, does not scream for change. Butler is a good, well coached team that is tough and confident in crunch time. But take in the context of the general implosion that has been going on for some time, and I don't know what else to conclude. A well coached team wins today.

[gunny]

Jan 7, 2017 14:49:35 GMT -5 SDHoya said:

The team was fired up for the game today. I give the coach credit for that. But they also wilted when it mattered. Today's game, on its own, does not scream for change. Butler is a good, well coached team that is tough and confident in crunch time. But take in the context of the general implosion that has been going on for some time, and I don't know what else to conclude. A well coached team wins today.

I would love to see how much Holtman makes as compared to JTIII. Definitely not getting the results you are paying for.

[lucky]

Can't wait for the post game presser! Hopefully he resigns, I'm done with mediocrity.

[royski]

Enough is enough.

[hoya1984]

What does Holtman, Wojo and Mullin have in common. These three coaches have been at Butler, Marquette and St Johns for three years and you can see the improvement in thse basketball teams.

[DFW HOYA]

Jan 7, 2017 15:03:47 GMT -5 hoya1984 said:

What does Holtman, Wojo and Mullin have in common. These three coaches have been at Butler, Marquette and St Johns for three years and you can see the improvement in thse basketball teams.

Some Marquette fans may disagree.

www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=53030.0

[hoya1984]

I guess that you are very proud of JTIII and Georgetown achievements lately.

[tullamore2]

Incompetence shouldn't be accepted.

Something needs to be changed.

[johnnysnowplow]

I've resisted jumping on the Fire JTIII bandwagon, but this loss is squarely on his shoulders imo. Yes, the players missed some shots and FTs down the stretch, but his management of the end of the game and OT was absolutely abominable.

[puppydog100]

January 9th, 1999, John Thompson resigned as head coach of Georgetown Hoyas after an 0-4 start in the Big East.

Will history repeat?

[hoyalove4ever]

Jan 7, 2017 14:42:22 GMT -5 smokeyjack said:

Can anyone on this board claim with a straight face that JT3 wouldn't be either fired or be tops on every hotseat list if his last name wasn't Thompson?

Me, for one. He has earned his job security with league titles, a Final Four appearance, and by running the type of program Georgetown demands. The notion that he is incompetent or has had poor results during his tenure is just plain false. He is a fine coach and we should be glad to have him.

[hoya1984]

How is the JTIII Kool-Aid.

[hoya1984]

I think that JTIII should follow his dad example 01/09/1999 and resign.

[tullamore2]

Jan 7, 2017 15:27:03 GMT -5 hoyalove4ever said:

Jan 7, 2017 14:42:22 GMT -5 smokeyjack said:

Can anyone on this board claim with a straight face that JT3 wouldn't be either fired or be tops on every hotseat list if his last name wasn't Thompson?

Me, for one. He has earned his job security with league titles, a Final Four appearance, and by running the type of program Georgetown demands. The notion that he is incompetent or has had poor results during his tenure is just plain false. He is a fine coach and we should be glad to have him.

I bet you also believe in participation trophies.

[hoyalove4ever]

I bet you believe it is easy to win Big East championships and make it to a Final Four.

[DFW HOYA]

Jan 7, 2017 14:42:22 GMT -5 smokeyjack said:

That's coaching folks, plain a simple. It's just time for a change. It's been time. We all know that. Can anyone on this board claim with a straight face that JT3 wouldn't be either fired or be tops on every hotseat list if his last name wasn't Thompson?

Without question. See my earlier post re: Wilk, Warne, and Kelly.

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