KHoyaNYC
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Nov 29, 2016 22:49:24 GMT -5
What I keep coming back to in thinking about this is that if we are already hearing and seeing, however small in number, Fire Thompson chants and people wearing bags at home games, how bad is it going to get if/when we end up on a significant losing streak this year (possible) or if things continue to trend in the wrong direction next year? Long term deal or not, would the administration be comfortable keeping JTIII as coach if significant numbers of people are chanting for his head at every home game? Beyond the horrible atmospherics, it would destroy what recruiting chops we have left and send the program into a tailspin that it would take years and years to recover from. Is the administration willing to let it get that far out of hand just because of loyalty to the Thompson brand? I don't know the answer but it could get real ugly really soon if the answer is yes. I don't think this administration knows how to manage a big time program like we have. Their only advisor is the father of our coach so that doesn't help with getting sound advice on that topic. I don't think the AD has much say in the whole thing. All you can do is make your voice known as a fan and hope someone is listening or you could be a Blue and Gray poster on this board and act like it will just get better on its own. My only counter to that is they got rid of Esherick and he was JT's pick. I know it's not blood but if things got really bad I could see JT the admin and JTIII working out a deal where he steps aside. My bigger and more immediate concern is how bad does the environment have to get before discussions like that are even considered. We have people chanting fire Thompson 7 games into the season! What happens at 15 or 20 games in if we don't play better?
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Post by eagle54 on Nov 29, 2016 22:56:37 GMT -5
I don't think this administration knows how to manage a big time program like we have. Their only advisor is the father of our coach so that doesn't help with getting sound advice on that topic. I don't think the AD has much say in the whole thing. All you can do is make your voice known as a fan and hope someone is listening or you could be a Blue and Gray poster on this board and act like it will just get better on its own. My only counter to that is they got rid of Esherick and he was JT's pick. I know it's not blood but if things got really bad I could see JT the admin and JTIII working out a deal where he steps aside. My bigger and more immediate concern is how bad does the environment have to get before discussions like that are even considered. We have people chanting fire Thompson 7 games into the season! What happens at 15 or 20 games in if we don't play better? I do think he's going to look out for his son a lot longer than Esherick even if they had a long time working relationship. He may be the one who looked at the opportunity to move Esherick aside to get his son into that position. My complaint with Pops is he sits on the high horse wanting to do things his way and doesn't listen to anyone. He hit lightning in a bottle with the Ewing years and then declined albeit relative to his success after that and never really adjusted or improved on that. I argue Georgetown could have been Duke if we had seized that success and continued to grow it. Everyone wanted to play for Georgetown back then. Our current coaching situation will likely be no different in terms of change and unless there is someone there to check him on this but not sure that happens. Sorry, cue the lack of facilities, et al. excuses.
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Post by bicentennial on Nov 29, 2016 23:38:18 GMT -5
While I am against a new coach in the middle of the season, should the Hoyas continue to falter, the obvious solution is to Bump JTIII up to athletic director or even president of the university so we can hire a new coach with the blessing of our board. He is a Princeton Grad after all! Sorry Lee Reed and Jack DeGioia. I believe this is what Wisconsin did with their football coach earlier this decade.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 30, 2016 7:55:51 GMT -5
I don't think that has any possibility of occurring and it would not serve the purpose of a fresh start. We need new blood and I just don't see it happening. If JT3 were ever to "step down", I would want to go outside the family.
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Nov 30, 2016 8:26:29 GMT -5
I don't buy this as a comparison. Even in 2004, the landscape was starting to look murky for this conference and college sports in general. And at that point, the brand had really disappeared. No one talked about Georgetown. For some reason, even after several years of losing (sometimes in humiliating fashion) on national stages, at the moment there is still brand equity; there is a rising powerhouse of a conference; and there is a major sports network that has a ton of money riding on the success of that conference. There is a brand new training facility (though it may be awkwardly named at that point). There is a chance to rebuild a national program. And the school has proven that they will pay up for a coach. It's a huge chance for the right, ambitious person. This is not disputable. No one is saying a blueblood coach would come running over, but the list of candidates would be mighty impressive. You and 2003 can wallow in all that the Georgetown job doesn't have to offer, but that list is dwindling. It will be a fantastic opportunity when it opens up. And there's no reason the head coach position has to be under the reign of Thompson any longer. I do not think the 2004 candidates are reflective of who we would attract today. I do think the program is better positioned now than then, and the job is more attractive as a result. Of course, that almost entirely has to do with JT3 and the success he had early on - even if it was a long time ago. If Esherick or someone else was the coach the last ten years, it's highly unlikely that the practice facility would exist, also, which helps to make the job more attractive. That said, just as people have a tendency to over value our players (remember the guy who said Campbell was NBA material or that DSR would definitely be in the NBA), I do think they overestimate the attractiveness of the job. Are you talking about Daytonahoya? I remember he said something about Markel Starks being an NBA point guard.
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Post by practice on Nov 30, 2016 10:27:51 GMT -5
I don't think this administration knows how to manage a big time program like we have. Their only advisor is the father of our coach so that doesn't help with getting sound advice on that topic. I don't think the AD has much say in the whole thing. All you can do is make your voice known as a fan and hope someone is listening or you could be a Blue and Gray poster on this board and act like it will just get better on its own. My only counter to that is they got rid of Esherick and he was JT's pick. I know it's not blood but if things got really bad I could see JT the admin and JTIII working out a deal where he steps aside. My bigger and more immediate concern is how bad does the environment have to get before discussions like that are even considered. We have people chanting fire Thompson 7 games into the season! What happens at 15 or 20 games in if we don't play better? Yikes ... according to your counter, we could be headed towards Coach Ronny Thompson!!!!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 30, 2016 16:18:45 GMT -5
What I keep coming back to in thinking about this is that if we are already hearing and seeing, however small in number, Fire Thompson chants and people wearing bags at home games, how bad is it going to get if/when we end up on a significant losing streak this year (possible) or if things continue to trend in the wrong direction next year? Long term deal or not, would the administration be comfortable keeping JTIII as coach if significant numbers of people are chanting for his head at every home game? Beyond the horrible atmospherics, it would destroy what recruiting chops we have left and send the program into a tailspin that it would take years and years to recover from. Is the administration willing to let it get that far out of hand just because of loyalty to the Thompson brand? I don't know the answer but it could get real ugly really soon if the answer is yes. I don't think this administration knows how to manage a big time program like we have. Their only advisor is the father of our coach so that doesn't help with getting sound advice on that topic. I don't think the AD has much say in the whole thing. All you can do is make your voice known as a fan and hope someone is listening or you could be a Blue and Gray poster on this board and act like it will just get better on its own. Hey, I just reached Blue and Gray level and I am being shamed already! Although I am not ready to jettison our coach 3 weeks into the season, I recognize that another mess like last season requires a full and objective (if possible) evaluation of the direction of the program, which starts with the head coach and what would then be an even more obvious downspiral.
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Post by dense on Dec 1, 2016 7:10:17 GMT -5
I just like how everyone has fired the coach and the season still has 22+ games left. And before anyone says that what have you seen that gives any confidence that things will change, I will say Ronnie statement that they have not practiced with everyone because of injury/leave is some explanation. Also I think after watching last night if Mulmore learns how to shift his speed he would be way more effective finishing. He goes in so hard looking for contact rather than finishing the play.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 1, 2016 11:23:14 GMT -5
At the end of the game it is pretty clear that JTIII is saying the right thing to the players. They were all highlighting what they needed to improve on and for the most part they did that last night. The key now is to see if they can continue this against improving competition in Elon and then Lasalle.
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 1, 2016 11:31:26 GMT -5
At the end of the game it is pretty clear that JTIII is saying the right thing to the players. They were all highlighting what they needed to improve on and for the most part they did that last night. The key now is to see if they can continue this against improving competition in Elon and then Lasalle. Let's hope he has their attention and they are focused on the things they need to clean up to be a good team. Reduce the turnovers, improve the rebounding and play with intensity for 40 minutes. Do those things and it should be an exciting Big East season
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 2, 2016 8:03:04 GMT -5
I know what has happened, jt3 fell and hit his head. He thinks he is Craig esherick. And it's not even his fault he is just coaching like him. Never mind at least esherick teams rebounded. And played hard, my mistake. WHO IS THIS PERSON? READY? 1 2 3 ..NOW JUMP OF THE WOODROW WILSON BRIDGE. LOL!
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 2, 2016 9:53:23 GMT -5
Does anyone know where Don Reid is currently. That is someone that I really would want working on rebounding with Jessie and AA....
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 2, 2016 10:19:05 GMT -5
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Post by practice on Dec 2, 2016 10:38:53 GMT -5
It appears that the school could fly Don "The Chief" Reid in for a clinic ... although he was always more of a hacker than rebounder ... and this team has excelled at fouling over the past few seasons: increasesports.com/
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Post by drquigley on Dec 3, 2016 19:47:25 GMT -5
I'm surprised that no one on this thread has figured out who our next coach should be. Think about it. What do the great coaches have in common? Calipari, Pitino, Massimino, Carneseca, Ariema, Izzo, Laranaga, C'mon man, our next coach should be LaSalle's John Giannini. Right Lic?
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Post by richfame on Dec 3, 2016 20:03:24 GMT -5
I'm surprised that no one on this thread has figured out who our next coach should be. Think about it. What do the great coaches have in common? Calipari, Pitino, Massimino, Carneseca, Ariema, Izzo, Laranaga, C'mon man, our next coach should be LaSalle's John Giannini. Right Lic? Maybe reach out to Geno Auriemma!!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 3, 2016 22:52:46 GMT -5
I'm surprised that no one on this thread has figured out who our next coach should be. Think about it. What do the great coaches have in common? Calipari, Pitino, Massimino, Carneseca, Ariema, Izzo, Laranaga, C'mon man, our next coach should be LaSalle's John Giannini. Right Lic? I know you're joking but if they beat us it'll get suggested!!!
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Post by SDHoya on Dec 4, 2016 5:09:49 GMT -5
I'm surprised that no one on this thread has figured out who our next coach should be. Think about it. What do the great coaches have in common? Calipari, Pitino, Massimino, Carneseca, Ariema, Izzo, Laranaga, C'mon man, our next coach should be LaSalle's John Giannini. Right Lic? Maybe reach out to Geno Auriemma!! Well, Laranaga is Cuban, so...
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 4, 2016 8:20:43 GMT -5
I'm surprised that no one on this thread has figured out who our next coach should be. Think about it. What do the great coaches have in common? Calipari, Pitino, Massimino, Carneseca, Ariema, Izzo, Laranaga, C'mon man, our next coach should be LaSalle's John Giannini. Right Lic? Maybe reach out to Geno Auriemma!! JT3 is ITALAIN IN MY BOOK hes our coach we will see TURNING IT AROUND now that BJ and AKOY AND marcus back WE WILL SEE but no gimmes none nadda BEAT ELON>
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 4, 2016 8:34:55 GMT -5
I thing big john needs to help jt3 out and jar his memory back.then go to locker room and show team some film on the teams he coached,on how to hustle and go get a rebound, The next 4 games are Howard, Coppin State, Elon, and La Salle Do you think the Hoyas will go 4-0 against that group? MUST BEAT ELON FILL THE BOOTH get it rolling we will see BIG GAMES COMING UP WIN and then take cuse there they are beatable GO HOYAS
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