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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 18, 2016 14:02:23 GMT -5
It should have been a 1 a.m. practice with nothing but defensive drills. But you can't do that any more. They are leaving today for Maui, maybe just reminding them to bring sunscreen? Or having a sleepover so nobody missed the bus to the airport? Seriously, one would think he was (1) reading the riot act, (2) trying to buck up their confidence, or (3 - and would be concerning)trying to squelch any cracks in team unity resulting from the 2 results this week. Maybe the cannot find that Maui Invitational surfboard...  Paul White took it with him - Oregon has 2 now!! |
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Post by cotysullivan on Nov 18, 2016 14:04:46 GMT -5
It should have been a 1 a.m. practice with nothing but defensive drills. But you can't do that any more. They are leaving today for Maui, maybe just reminding them to bring sunscreen? Or having a sleepover so nobody missed the bus to the airport? Seriously, one would think he was (1) reading the riot act, (2) trying to buck up their confidence, or (3 - and would be concerning)trying to squelch any cracks in team unity resulting from the 2 results this week. JTIII just can't cut it! No doubt, he's a good coach, but with the great players we have, you need great coaching! We have LJ Peak? You kidding me... Peak is definitely an NBA player now, Peak is the bomb!. Cope... Come on maaan! A Player's Player!! Rod... Need a Point? Marcus-D, do it all player, need to be on the floor at all times, but all the players on this team are gooood man! Let them loose! Come on.... losing like that?! Ugggh! That offense is soooooo painful to look at! Get it outta here! And where's the Defense? OMG! That the #1 Priority FIRST! We know every player on this team can score. This is messed up maaaaan! Don't know which issue is more troubling and disturbing... The new soon to be Prez... or this team! That meeting? Change has got to come! |
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Post by Elvado on Nov 18, 2016 14:12:30 GMT -5
As I have said more times than I care to count, as long as Big John is warm, III's seat won't be. Sad but true.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 18, 2016 14:59:28 GMT -5
I would just like to say that people often accuse JT3 of not caring, yet he called a 1 AM meeting. I am sure all parties involved would have preferred to be elsewhere at that point. I have no doubt he cares. It's just a matter of turning things around on-court.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 18, 2016 15:01:42 GMT -5
I am well aware of what happened with Les Miles. That's just an odd situation though, where he was almost-fired but then not last season. It's not analagous, nor is our program situated like LSU, where LSU can surely get top-flight coaching talent. Yep. Miles refused to change his offense. He wouldn't change on offense and wouldn't let go of his offensive coordinator. III has at least made changes to his staff and scheme. And ironically, LSU's interim coach, Ogeron, has a shot at getting the job full-time even though in his only real coaching shot at Ole Miss, he was horrible. Given that LSU can attract top-notch coaching talent, that's probably not a good thing. In our case, Georgetown will not attract top-notch proven coaching talent because that talent is already (a) making as much money as JT3 and (b) coaching at institutions generally better regarded than ours. That's not to say that if JT3 continues to underperform that we can't make a change, but it's important to keep in mind that a good replacement would not come easy. |
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Nov 18, 2016 15:19:10 GMT -5
Chris Holtman. Not that he is coming here but he is an example of a program that churns out good coaches and finds a guy that fits their culture. Xavier has a strong history there too. There are plenty of hungry guys that can recruit. The key is to find the right one. JTIII now has Ewing JR & Wallace on his staff and Broadus has been with us a long time. The only non-JTIII blood is the Notre Dame guy. I think JTIII needs guys in his ear that don't do it his way because his was isn't working.
Indiana is on coach three post Knight era. Crean can clearly recruit but who knows if he is the long term answer. We saw what happened to Cuse when Boeheim was out for a period of time. Replacing legends is a hard business and we have backed ourselves in a corner with III. I don't see a way out.
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Post by the_way on Nov 18, 2016 15:34:11 GMT -5
Yep. Miles refused to change his offense. He wouldn't change on offense and wouldn't let go of his offensive coordinator. III has at least made changes to his staff and scheme. And ironically, LSU's interim coach, Ogeron, has a shot at getting the job full-time even though in his only real coaching shot at Ole Miss, he was horrible. Given that LSU can attract top-notch coaching talent, that's probably not a good thing. In our case, Georgetown will not attract top-notch proven coaching talent because that talent is already (a) making as much money as JT3 and (b) coaching at institutions generally better regarded than ours. That's not to say that if JT3 continues to underperform that we can't make a change, but it's important to keep in mind that a good replacement would not come easy. After Ole Miss, Orgeron did an excellent job as an interim coach for Southern Cal after they fired Lane Kiffin. He went 6-2 (6-1 in conference). Many thought he should have been given the job there, but his Ole Miss experience hurt his chance. Now he is doing the same thing at LSU. Will just have to see. Some say he had to beat Bama, but they beat Ole Miss and Arky. If he beats Florida and A&M? It will be interesting to see what they decide. Back to G-town, you are right. There is no guarantee with a new hire. It would have to be an up-and-coming assistant or a guy from a mid-major. However, Pops still has the biggest influence. Seems like he wants what he has here, like UNC has it. Everything under his umbrella, just like it is with Dean at UNC. |
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Post by jo247 on Nov 18, 2016 15:40:49 GMT -5
Does EWING sr. get his first HC job
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 18, 2016 15:49:05 GMT -5
If we do go another direction at the end of the year hopefully he is on the short list.
That being said, he has made it perfectly clear his passion is the NBA. Maybe someone can convince him that HC in CBB is a stepping stone to HC in the NBA.
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Post by alleninxis on Nov 18, 2016 15:53:08 GMT -5
- Ewing
- Kevin Keatts (my choice)
- King Rice
- Danny Hurley
Is where I would start. And call Archie Miller even when he'll hang up.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Nov 18, 2016 15:53:25 GMT -5
Replacing legends is a hard business and we have backed ourselves in a corner with III. I don't see a way out. Eh, sometimes you have to put your trust in the coaching decision and make a move that goes against the grain sometimes. Letting go of the Thompson family ties isn't the end of the world, sometimes you have to move on. Tell them, "Thanks for the memories and the institution will always be grateful of the hard work put forth". However, we're going in a new direction. |
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 18, 2016 15:56:12 GMT -5
- Ewing - Kevin Keatts (my choice) - King Rice - Danny Hurley Is where I would start. And call Archie Miller even when he'll hang up. Will Wade from VCU would be interesting too, I think. |
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 18, 2016 16:47:56 GMT -5
The more I read about this guy, the more I think he has a bright future ahead of him: www.astateredwolves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7200&ATCLID=210811791He was one of the coaches behind Baylor's turnaround into a respectable program again. *Note I am not saying he is the right person for a replacement, just showing that there are successful guys at all levels so any search should be wide and broad. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 18, 2016 17:55:58 GMT -5
This is premature and I wrote a bunch of stuff on this in the hot seat thread (why is this even a separate thread at this point) but this highlights that our best bets would be "up and comers" who could easily flop, or with success they'll be out the door.
Georgetown will not get a top established name if this happened.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 18, 2016 17:58:36 GMT -5
Replacing legends is a hard business and we have backed ourselves in a corner with III. I don't see a way out. Eh, sometimes you have to put your trust in the coaching decision and make a move that goes against the grain sometimes. Letting go of the Thompson family ties isn't the end of the world, sometimes you have to move on. Tell them, "Thanks for the memories and the institution will always be grateful of the hard work put forth". However, we're going in a new direction. Except the school just opened a multi million dollar facility paid for largely by people with close ties to the Thompson family. It's not as easy a decison as people here seem to think. The idea of anything happening this year seems misguided. I think it would be at least another year. |
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 18, 2016 18:19:13 GMT -5
This is premature and I wrote a bunch of stuff on this in the hot seat thread (why is this even a separate thread at this point) but this highlights that our best bets would be "up and comers" who could easily flop, or with success they'll be out the door. Georgetown will not get a top established name if this happened. We know the Hoyas can pay the same salary as any other school. The school also has a lot going for it, like being in a recruiting hot bed, a big name, a brand new practice facility, pretty much every game is televised nationally, and you can win a national title in the Big East. You know the school will give you a long leash, and my guess is the fans come back if the team becomes a power again (especially after making some NCAA noise). There's no reason why a successful coach would leave Georgetown for a comparable program (of which there aren't that many), let alone your average power conference program. Maybe if Kansas, Kentucky, UNC or Duke came calling, but that's both unlikely and something you worry about when it happens. A Pitt or an Oklahoma isn't going to be able to steal our coach, if that's what you're worried about. |
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Nov 18, 2016 18:30:54 GMT -5
Eh, sometimes you have to put your trust in the coaching decision and make a move that goes against the grain sometimes. Letting go of the Thompson family ties isn't the end of the world, sometimes you have to move on. Tell them, "Thanks for the memories and the institution will always be grateful of the hard work put forth". However, we're going in a new direction. Except the school just opened a multi million dollar facility paid for largely by people with close ties to the Thompson family. It's not as easy a decison as people here seem to think. The idea of anything happening this year seems misguided. I think it would be at least another year. That would be unprecedented if those donors who're close to the family would want their money back after the facilities upgrade.  |
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 18, 2016 18:38:15 GMT -5
This is premature and I wrote a bunch of stuff on this in the hot seat thread (why is this even a separate thread at this point) but this highlights that our best bets would be "up and comers" who could easily flop, or with success they'll be out the door. Georgetown will not get a top established name if this happened. We know the Hoyas can pay the same salary as any other school. The school also has a lot going for it, like being in a recruiting hot bed, a big name, a brand new practice facility, pretty much every game is televised nationally, and you can win a national title in the Big East. You know the school will give you a long leash, and my guess is the fans come back if the team becomes a power again (especially after making some NCAA noise). There's no reason why a successful coach would leave Georgetown for a comparable program (of which there aren't that many), let alone your average power conference program. Maybe if Kansas, Kentucky, UNC or Duke came calling, but that's both unlikely and something you worry about when it happens. A Pitt or an Oklahoma isn't going to be able to steal our coach, if that's what you're worried about. I don't think that is a given for any future coach. A primary reason JT3 has gotten so much leeway is because of what his family has done for the program. If you're willing to fire a guy that is deeply ingrained to the Georgetown community, why would the new hire expect any sort of leeway? It'll be win or get out. |
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 18, 2016 18:50:47 GMT -5
We know the Hoyas can pay the same salary as any other school. The school also has a lot going for it, like being in a recruiting hot bed, a big name, a brand new practice facility, pretty much every game is televised nationally, and you can win a national title in the Big East. You know the school will give you a long leash, and my guess is the fans come back if the team becomes a power again (especially after making some NCAA noise). There's no reason why a successful coach would leave Georgetown for a comparable program (of which there aren't that many), let alone your average power conference program. Maybe if Kansas, Kentucky, UNC or Duke came calling, but that's both unlikely and something you worry about when it happens. A Pitt or an Oklahoma isn't going to be able to steal our coach, if that's what you're worried about. I don't think that is a given for any future coach. A primary reason JT3 has gotten so much leeway is because of what his family has done for the program. If you're willing to fire a guy that is deeply ingrained to the Georgetown community, why would the new hire expect any sort of leeway? It'll be win or get out. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Missing the tournament 3 out of 4 years would still get you fired. What I mean by a long leash is that I don't think Georgetown would have fired a non-Thompson coach with Thompson's results, except maybe after last year. I think what I mean by a long leash is that results like JT3's, Herb Sendek's at NC State or Tubby Smith's at Kentucky wouldn't get you fired. |
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Post by royski on Nov 18, 2016 19:08:53 GMT -5
Kevin Keatts would be a massive upgrade and a coup. There are coaches like that around the country that would absolutely be very interested in this job. We're not going to hire Rick Pitino, but we'll have close to our choice of the best up and coming mid major coaches.
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