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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 18, 2016 11:30:40 GMT -5
At this moment change is necessary. And the change must come sooner rather than later. We can not continue we this poor performance. I think this is mental now that is affecting both the players and the coaching staff. I can not imagine how JTIII can get out this downward spiral. I realize you are very much anti JT3 (considering nearly every post you put up argues against him), but I think you're overstating things. As far as "sooner rather than later" - how would changing leadership right now affect things? In all likelihood, by doing that you lose Waters for 2017, maybe Walker, and who knows who else would leave the team at the end of the season. People sometimes forget that changing leadership often yields an even-worse team in the short-term, and the long-term is questionable. I mean, look at Mullin. We aren't as badly positioned as Lavin had St. John's, but despite the excitement over Mullin, they're improvement hasn't been super-fast either. I just think some people have the mentality that we change the coach and suddenly get to the Final Four. While that basically did happen when Georgetown hired JT3, it's highly unlikely it would happen again. Again, this isn't a reason to stay the course on its own, but I think some of the people calling for JT3's head are thinking with emotion and not recognizing the true effect such a move would have on the program. Really, I think the anti-JT3 is doing a disservice to their cause by arguing for his head now. As I said, if the season ends up being a disaster again, like last season, you're going to have a lot more people on your side in March. Arguing for change immediately, now, just undermines your ultimate position. PS. I would note that Esherick was being supported by the university through much worse performance than we've seen from JT3. And, I still say the only reason he got canned when he did was because he opened his mouth and said stupid things. Had he kept quiet and had better relations with fans and alumni, I doubt he would've been fired in 2004. |
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Post by the_way on Nov 18, 2016 11:39:44 GMT -5
Do you think he gets fired if we end up with a winning record overall, .500 big east record, and a NIT bid? Do I think he will, in that scenario? Probably not, as long as his dad is still alive. But missing the NCAA Tournament 3 out of 4 years, with the advantages that Georgetown has, would certainly get somebody fired in any other situation (i.e., one where the coach's dad didn't put the program on the map and literally hovers over the program on a daily basis). I think it's possible JT3 walks away if he puts up the record you suggest this year. Wouldn't that scenario be an improvement from the previous year? III has recognized that there is a problem, he is trying to fix it with the changes he has made in staff, personnel, offense. |
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Post by the_way on Nov 18, 2016 11:42:18 GMT -5
PS. I would note that Esherick was being supported by the university through much worse performance than we've seen from JT3. And, I still say the only reason he got canned when he did was because he opened his mouth and said stupid things. Had he kept quiet and had better relations with fans and alumni, I doubt he would've been fired in 2004. That isn't why he got canned. Oddly enough, I'm wondering what is going through Esh's head right about now. |
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Post by hoya1984 on Nov 18, 2016 11:53:29 GMT -5
Why change is necessary sooner rather than later, because Georgetown basketball is unwatchable. Our offensive sets are terrible, there is no spacing and the guards don't penetrate and don't get me started with the defense. JTIII had top-ten recruiting classes for 2014 and 2015 and these players showed no improvement. JTIII should go back and coach at Princeton not at Georgetown. He has no idea how to deal with athletic players.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Nov 18, 2016 11:55:07 GMT -5
I think you have to give him the rest of the season for all the reasons mentioned by other posters. However, making the NCAA Tournament is now going to be a very uphill battle. Two home losses, one to a team that will likely have a 200+ RPI and another to what looks like a bubble team, are a big problem. It's the same thing that happened last year with poor early season losses. There is very little margin for error from this point forward. UCONN's RPI isn't going to be great, so beating them may not mean much. Need to go at least 3-1 against the Maui teams + Syracuse, really 4-1 if you include that group plus UCONN. Then also need to run the table on all the other non-conference games and go at least 10-8 in the Big East. Still possible, and you have to give JT3 that chance, but very little margin for error. Do you think he gets fired if we end up with a winning record overall, .500 big east record, and a NIT bid? No, I don't. But three out of four years would be enough for me. I think in that scenario (where we "earned" an NIT bid, which necessarily means we were on the bubble and narrowly missed an NCAA bid), he'd probably get one more year from the school. Just my guess. I think all bets are off if this year goes fully in the tank and we aren't even competitive or realistically playing for an NCAA bid by February. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 18, 2016 11:58:04 GMT -5
JTIII had top-ten recruiting classes for 2014 and 2015 and these players showed no improvement. The 2014 class was top 10. The 2015 class was not. |
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Post by hoya1984 on Nov 18, 2016 12:09:35 GMT -5
Go check what happen with LSU Football team.
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Post by hoyas315 on Nov 18, 2016 12:30:05 GMT -5
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Post by hoyas315 on Nov 18, 2016 12:31:06 GMT -5
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 18, 2016 12:31:34 GMT -5
This whole situation sucks, but it is still early. I hate to shed Syracuse in a good light, but they were not very good last year, yet they found a way into the final four. Not having Derrickson and Hayes is huge and we will be a lot better with them on the court. We were not very good last year and found our way to a losing record.....just like we have now and will have for a good number of games now, if not the season. Hayes will help, but this team shouldn't need Hayes to beat teams like this, nor to close out Maryland. Ignoring Derrickson? Solid argument |
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 18, 2016 12:35:58 GMT -5
JTIII isn't a bad coach. But he's not a good one. So the only way we compete with the big boys is to recruit so well that we make up for our coaching deficiencies. We do not do that. So we are as mediocre as our coach. He's not a bad coach at all.....just a horrible motivator. It's almost as if he tries to take the motivation and fun out of his players. Too much thinking and fitting into roles, not enough about teamwork |
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Post by Elvado on Nov 18, 2016 12:36:34 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 18, 2016 12:56:58 GMT -5
We were not very good last year and found our way to a losing record.....just like we have now and will have for a good number of games now, if not the season. Hayes will help, but this team shouldn't need Hayes to beat teams like this, nor to close out Maryland. Ignoring Derrickson? Solid argument I'm not sure he was exactly ignoring Doc; we know when Bradley will be back, and at full force, but we have no idea the extent of Derrickson's injury, when he will be back, or how effective he can be. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 18, 2016 13:03:24 GMT -5
It should have been a 1 a.m. practice with nothing but defensive drills. But you can't do that any more. They are leaving today for Maui, maybe just reminding them to bring sunscreen? Or having a sleepover so nobody missed the bus to the airport? Seriously, one would think he was (1) reading the riot act, (2) trying to buck up their confidence, or (3 - and would be concerning)trying to squelch any cracks in team unity resulting from the 2 results this week. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 18, 2016 13:14:05 GMT -5
Go check what happen with LSU Football team. I am well aware of what happened with Les Miles. That's just an odd situation though, where he was almost-fired but then not last season. It's not analagous, nor is our program situated like LSU, where LSU can surely get top-flight coaching talent. |
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 18, 2016 13:23:06 GMT -5
I know there were some comments/jokes about getting Arkansas State's coach to replace JT3 but he has a 199-44 (.819) winning record between JUCO and Div II. If he can perform with Ark State then he'll be a high major name soon.
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Post by smokeyjack on Nov 18, 2016 13:25:53 GMT -5
I think we can all agree that nothing can be done at the moment; I can't think of many high-profile instances where an early or mid-season coaching change resulted in a positive trend change.
However, I think the administration would be wise to operate under the assumption that barring some rather dramatic improvements (even Esh never had an Arky State) termination or resignation will be required at season's end. If we were blessed with men and women of action at the top, it would actually give us something of an advantage to have substantially made the decision at this point in the season. It would give us the entire season to discreetly begin the process of identifying and feeling out our top coaching candidates, so that we could move very quickly at season's end.
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Post by the_way on Nov 18, 2016 13:33:06 GMT -5
Go check what happen with LSU Football team. I am well aware of what happened with Les Miles. That's just an odd situation though, where he was almost-fired but then not last season. It's not analagous, nor is our program situated like LSU, where LSU can surely get top-flight coaching talent. Yep. Miles refused to change his offense. He wouldn't change on offense and wouldn't let go of his offensive coordinator. III has at least made changes to his staff and scheme. LSU football expectations are like Duke and Kentucky in basketball. It is why Tubby Smith "resigned" from Kentucky. If III had Tubby's record at Kentucky,he wouldn't be on the hot seat here whatsoever. |
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Post by prhoya on Nov 18, 2016 13:38:33 GMT -5
It should have been a 1 a.m. practice with nothing but defensive drills. But you can't do that any more. They are leaving today for Maui, maybe just reminding them to bring sunscreen? Or having a sleepover so nobody missed the bus to the airport? Seriously, one would think he was (1) reading the riot act, (2) trying to buck up their confidence, or (3 - and would be concerning)trying to squelch any cracks in team unity resulting from the 2 results this week. Maybe the cannot find that Maui Invitational surfboard...  |
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Nov 18, 2016 13:57:26 GMT -5
We've lost 12 of our last 15 games. There were chants at game's end calling for JT3's dismissal. Hopefully, the 1am meeting is him circling the wagons. The players must be seriously distressed. I'm sure he is too. He seems like a good guy. He has time to reverse this and it has to start defensively. There is no weakside help ever. Guys need to play defense with some kind of urgency. It was embarrassing watching guys on MD and AR State find the lane at will and finish. That has to change or there's little hope that future outcomes will be different. If anyone is unable or unwilling to play defense, bench him.
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