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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 25, 2020 18:59:07 GMT -5
The discussion definitely degenerated quickly. But one legit point that should be raised is what is the responsibility of the Coach in such recruiting. Shouldn't the coach have some way to determine if this recruit will really fit at GU as a student/athlete? Talk to high school coach, parents, anybody who really knew the kid before offering the scholarship. Granted if the kid wanted to attend GU badly enough he could probably put up a great front. But I would have thought that JT3, of all people, would have been able to see through that and pass on Whit. When you look at the kids JT3 recruited in that class Whit really stands out as an anomaly. Unfortunately you can only do so much. Also with HS kids, they haven't fully found themselves, maybe they have a hidden character trait that hasn't shown since they've only been focused on bball and haven't had a social life. I think for JT3, Whit was an AI-like character recovery project. On the actual thread tropic, congrats to Greg. I'm sure he has had a hard road and I am glad he has persevered. Agree. Recruiting is tough because you're basically recruiting what are largely immature kids, who, when aging and placed in a different environment can often be wildly different. For example, there are some kids in high school who get the reputation of being low motor, who in college really assert themselves, mature, and it's never an issue. Others do not change. A coach needs to do their best to evaluate talent, knowing they are going to take chances, and some of them may not work out. That's part of the game. The key is for the coach's judgment to be as good as possible so that most kids work out. But, in this day and age, you're not going to have a 0 attrition rate on any team under any coach. |
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Post by hoyazeke on May 25, 2020 21:17:13 GMT -5
I still to this day don't understand why Whitt isn't in the L. He is almost the perfect 3nD wing...6'9" and can guard 3 positions easily.....if he can probably at this stage hold his own against some 4s...not sure because Whitt was always so thin....lol
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 25, 2020 21:54:18 GMT -5
Could just come down to discipline and dedication.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on May 26, 2020 16:33:03 GMT -5
Could just come down to discipline and dedication. I'm rooting hard for him. He's come a long way since his Georgetown days. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 8:01:57 GMT -5
So are you telling me that you thought Tate was a pro when he was playing PF/JYD for OSU at 6'4". I never thought Brilly was a pro. So that wasn't my point. Or to continue using Hoyas what was the difference between a Kel and a Patty Mills? Tate is a better athlete by far than Trawick. But also, the number of players that take Tate’s path is huge ... and only a select few make it. Mills is quicker and has a better handle than Markel. People on this board constantly underrate how athletic and skilled most NBA players are. They should know the facts and their options. That’s all. The number of Hoyas I’ve been told over the last few years have NBA futures is high, and aside from a cup of coffee or two, no one has stuck. Which was predictable. This. I know there’s a separate Jamorko thread (and love JP’s perseverance and everything he did for the program), and people love to throw around “3 and D” and “if his 3 pt shot can get consistent” but tbh Greg Whittington is 2-3x as skilled as Jamorko and he barely clawed his way to an NBA contract (understanding injury issues etc which are still all part of succeeding). Lots of skilled 6-7 to 6-9 dudes out there (US and abroad) ... |
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Post by bornhoya on May 15, 2021 10:53:02 GMT -5
Tate is a better athlete by far than Trawick. But also, the number of players that take Tate’s path is huge ... and only a select few make it. Mills is quicker and has a better handle than Markel. People on this board constantly underrate how athletic and skilled most NBA players are. They should know the facts and their options. That’s all. The number of Hoyas I’ve been told over the last few years have NBA futures is high, and aside from a cup of coffee or two, no one has stuck. Which was predictable. This. I know there’s a separate Jamorko thread (and love JP’s perseverance and everything he did for the program), and people love to throw around “3 and D” and “if his 3 pt shot can get consistent” but tbh Greg Whittington is 2-3x as skilled as Jamorko and he barely clawed his way to an NBA contract (understanding injury issues etc which are still all part of succeeding). Lots of skilled 6-7 to 6-9 dudes out there (US and abroad) ... Don’t know about Whittington being better than Morko |
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Post by paranoia2 on May 15, 2021 11:27:14 GMT -5
The intense love of Greg Whittington is a mystery to me. Nice p,Ayer that flashed some potential. Nothing more.
Where are the board members that touted Jamorko being a sure fire NBA draft pick? Can we all agree now he won’t be drafted? He will make $ playing basketball and was a true Hoya.
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Post by hoyazeke on May 15, 2021 13:14:45 GMT -5
The intense love of Greg Whittington is a mystery to me. Nice p,Ayer that flashed some potential. Nothing more. Where are the board members that touted Jamorko being a sure fire NBA draft pick? Can we all agree now he won’t be drafted? He will make $ playing basketball and was a true Hoya. Yeah I don't get the GDub love on the board either. I'm extreme the opposite direction. I was so happy when whatever happened with Greg happened. Morko is a better scorer on 2 of the 3 levels and his equal on D. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 14:29:20 GMT -5
The intense love of Greg Whittington is a mystery to me. Nice p,Ayer that flashed some potential. Nothing more. Where are the board members that touted Jamorko being a sure fire NBA draft pick? Can we all agree now he won’t be drafted? He will make $ playing basketball and was a true Hoya. Meh - “intense” is strong. It’s not like I’ve sent him flowers or anything. I get it - everyone has “their guys”. Me, I never understood the LJ Peak love. Head-down driver, ok handles, so-so 3pt shooter. |
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Post by blueandgray on May 15, 2021 15:49:31 GMT -5
The thing with Whitt is that he never reached his potential at Georgetown and we all thought and knew he had a high ceiling. Some thought he could be another under the radar 3 star kid who would burst onto the scene and if he remained healthy and stayed for his junior year....that may have been a possibility. All I know is that he was on track to explode when we played UCLA and their #1 draft class and Whitt and Otto single handedly beat them down. He had the tools to be a first round nba kid....didn’t have the right mindset and lacked maturity.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 15, 2021 16:12:03 GMT -5
How did this thread morph into the bash Whittington and Peak thread? ☹️
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 15, 2021 16:55:16 GMT -5
How did this thread morph into the bash Whittington and Peak thread? ☹️ It's the off-season. |
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Post by rockhoya on May 15, 2021 20:49:08 GMT -5
The intense love of Greg Whittington is a mystery to me. Nice p,Ayer that flashed some potential. Nothing more. Where are the board members that touted Jamorko being a sure fire NBA draft pick? Can we all agree now he won’t be drafted? He will make $ playing basketball and was a true Hoya. Yeah I don't get the GDub love on the board either. I'm extreme the opposite direction. I was so happy when whatever happened with Greg happened. Morko is a better scorer on 2 of the 3 levels and his equal on D. You guys liked Otto right? Greg was as good or better until he got hurt...not much more complicated than that. Certainly had better pro potential than Otto when they were both on the hilltop. Otto Porter was drafted #3 overall to the NBA, the best league in the world. |
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Post by the_way on May 15, 2021 20:55:38 GMT -5
How did this thread morph into the bash Whittington and Peak thread? ☹️ It's the off-season. It's Hoyatalk.  |
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Post by blueandgray on May 15, 2021 23:54:40 GMT -5
Yeah I don't get the GDub love on the board either. I'm extreme the opposite direction. I was so happy when whatever happened with Greg happened. Morko is a better scorer on 2 of the 3 levels and his equal on D. You guys liked Otto right? Greg was as good or better until he got hurt...not much more complicated than that. Certainly had better pro potential than Otto when they were both on the hilltop. Otto Porter was drafted #3 overall to the NBA, the best league in the world. Rock...not sure he was “better”. Otto was a bit more polished, better on the boards and in the passing lanes, had a better feel of the game...and whit as a frosh wasn’t quite as strong as Otto....but you’re right....he was right there. |
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Post by hoopsmccan on May 16, 2021 6:45:49 GMT -5
You guys liked Otto right? Greg was as good or better until he got hurt...not much more complicated than that. Certainly had better pro potential than Otto when they were both on the hilltop. Otto Porter was drafted #3 overall to the NBA, the best league in the world. Rock...not sure he was “better”. Otto was a bit more polished, better on the boards and in the passing lanes, had a better feel of the game...and whit as a frosh wasn’t quite as strong as Otto....but you’re right....he was right there. Agreed. Other than the whole basketball thing, Greg was right there. hm |
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Post by rockhoya on May 16, 2021 9:00:20 GMT -5
You guys liked Otto right? Greg was as good or better until he got hurt...not much more complicated than that. Certainly had better pro potential than Otto when they were both on the hilltop. Otto Porter was drafted #3 overall to the NBA, the best league in the world. Rock...not sure he was “better”. Otto was a bit more polished, better on the boards and in the passing lanes, had a better feel of the game...and whit as a frosh wasn’t quite as strong as Otto....but you’re right....he was right there. Agreed, that’s why I mentioned as good or better. Though, as rebounders they had the same ability just played different spots, and Greg was debatably much better in passing lanes. He was very active and got deflections often, there is a reason JT Jr decided to say he had the potential to be the best defender in Hoya history. Otto had a better feel, but they both had above average feel. Also not sure about strength, Greg’s lower body and base has always been more sturdy than Otto’s. Otto had more upper body strength. What I think made him a better NBA prospect in November of 2012 (?) is that Greg had the quickness and athleticism to play in the league then. And his calling card was defense. Otto was the smarter and more impactful player his freshman year, but Greg was in the same tier. And then of course Greg has certain advantages over Otto (ball handling, defense, athleticm, versatility on offense, creating for others, etc.) Obviously things panned out differently (and that’s why some are confused why folks respect Greg’s talent/game), but that’s a case where they were both averaging exactly 12 and 7 when he got suspended. I doubt he wins POY if Otto gets hurt, but he’d likely have evolved into our best player just like Otto did over the course of the season. Different players. |
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Post by rockhoya on May 16, 2021 9:00:48 GMT -5
Rock...not sure he was “better”. Otto was a bit more polished, better on the boards and in the passing lanes, had a better feel of the game...and whit as a frosh wasn’t quite as strong as Otto....but you’re right....he was right there. Agreed. Other than the whole basketball thing, Greg was right there. hm Just admit you didn’t watch both of them play while they were here 🤷🏽♂️ I was in the stands watching them both warm up for their first Kenner league game. Just watching Otto shoot from the elbow (with his broke form) I said right there and then he felt like Jeff 2.0 for us. With some players you can just tell. My favorite Greg moment was when he absolutely shut DJO down in the second half of a 17 point comeback fueled by Jason Clark at home. DJO was on a hot streak and we put Greg on him in the second half and he smothered him everytime he caught the ball at the top of the key trying to go downhill. Never seen someone his size with such good lateral movement at the time, it was and still is elite. People feel some type of way about him because he didn’t come through in the classroom, and they let it taint their perception of who he was on the court. That’s fine, it happens. He was super raw still at GU and was still a very important piece for us. As someone else mentioned previously, Shabazz Muhammad was no match for either of them....(did UCLA also have Jordan Adams then?). Speaking of, does anyone know where I can find that game replay?! Would love to watch it today. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 16, 2021 10:01:38 GMT -5
Even freshman year, Otto was a better player than Whittington. Way more efficient, better ball IQ, and both were very good on defense for being freshman. Porter rebounded substantially better, and he turned it over way less than Whittington. Whittington did shoot better from three point range than Otto their freshman year (though Otto was the more efficient player overall).
I agree Whittington had a lot of potential, and the athleticism/measurables may have been there. But, on the Court, Otto was clearly a better player than Whittington even freshman year and I do not think it was particularly close. And yes, I was around then and watched the games.
That said, IF Whittington stuck around, I do think he could have improved a lot and been a really good player. I doubt he would have ever been drafted third, but I do think he had a lot of potential had he stayed.
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Post by rockhoya on May 16, 2021 10:33:25 GMT -5
Just admit you didn’t watch both of them play while they were here 🤷🏽♂️ I was in the stands watching them both warm up for their first Kenner league game. Just watching Otto shoot from the elbow (with his broke form) I said right there and then he felt like Jeff 2.0 for us. With some players you can just tell. My favorite Greg moment was when he absolutely shut DJO down in the second half of a 17 point comeback fueled by Jason Clark at home. DJO was on a hot streak and we put Greg on him in the second half and he smothered him everytime he caught the ball at the top of the key trying to go downhill. Never seen someone his size with such good lateral movement at the time, it was and still is elite. People feel some type of way about him because he didn’t come through in the classroom, and they let it taint their perception of who he was on the court. That’s fine, it happens. He was super raw still at GU and was still a very important piece for us. As someone else mentioned previously, Shabazz Muhammad was no match for either of them....(did UCLA also have Jordan Adams then?). Speaking of, does anyone know where I can find that game replay?! Would love to watch it today. Trying to figure out what any of this has to do w/Yurt and I cannot... Sounds like a personal problem. Maybe not quoting a post that contains a topic you don’t want to discuss might help? Nevermind, that’s some pretty far out thinking... |
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