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Post by prhoya on Oct 28, 2015 16:18:57 GMT -5
He'll either be a tweener bust (too small and short for power forward and too slow for small forward) or UNLV/Grand Ma Ma Larry Johnson caliber player with an automatic 3pt shot. No in between. So much space in between, it's ridiculous. I expect Marcus and Jessie to make the BE All-Rookie Team.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 28, 2015 17:14:55 GMT -5
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Post by dense on Oct 28, 2015 22:49:18 GMT -5
Historically a wide-bodied big man with an inside-out skill set, Derrickson made an incredible commitment to his conditioning during his senior year at Brewster Academy and throughout the summer, which resulted in him losing 40 pounds. While his conditioning always limited his impact, and consequently his ranking, now that he’s in the best shape of his life there’s no denying he’s prepared to make a quick impact for Georgetown. “I can honestly say I don’t think I’ve ever had a person make that type of transformation in high school,” Georgetown head coach John Thompson III said at Big East media day. “He’s just a totally different person and that gets you excited as a coach.” Just how impactful might Derrickson be? He was Georgetown’s leading scorer through their four-game foreign tour through Italy this summer. He'll either be a tweener bust (too small and short for power forward and too slow for small forward) or UNLV/Grand Ma Ma Larry Johnson caliber player with an automatic 3pt shot. No in between. Incredibly high upside but also a low floor. With tweeners/matchup nightmares these things can sometimes be hard to predict till they actually play conference games but I think he's done everything possible to prepare to be the best he can be. Chances Derrickson is a bust are zero. He does too many other things well. He is a great passer and rebounder too. Larry Johnson is a bad comp. Larry in college was an athletic freak who would just dunk on people. His back injury made him change as a NBA player. Derrickson can shoot from the perimeter yes, but he also has the ability to know how to carve space to get off shots.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 23:15:58 GMT -5
Other Open Practice News Coach said Hayes has been good in practice and will play more this year. 11 guys will get minutes this year but it’s too soon to say who (other than DSR) will start and play most. He said he was thinking of taking a "Golden State-like" approach and adapt lineups to the matchups in particular games. He said the sophs seemed ready for significant improvements and tried to temper expectations for the frosh. He did, however, refer to Derrickson as "the second best shooter on the team — He thinks he’s #1." Coach said DSR has been clearly better than last year and that Trey Mourning has been working as hard as anyone and will contribute this year. He said PE Jr. looked at the game "like a coach" and is already good at understanding what to do and communicating it to the team. Count me excited for the season. by 5isthenew1 on Oct 24, 2015 | 4:11 PM reply www.casualhoya.com/2015/10/23/9606426/scenes-from-the-hoya-hoop-club-open-practice#335435179
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Post by kchoya on Oct 29, 2015 12:54:22 GMT -5
Historically a wide-bodied big man with an inside-out skill set, Derrickson made an incredible commitment to his conditioning during his senior year at Brewster Academy and throughout the summer, which resulted in him losing 40 pounds. While his conditioning always limited his impact, and consequently his ranking, now that he’s in the best shape of his life there’s no denying he’s prepared to make a quick impact for Georgetown. “I can honestly say I don’t think I’ve ever had a person make that type of transformation in high school,” Georgetown head coach John Thompson III said at Big East media day. “He’s just a totally different person and that gets you excited as a coach.” Just how impactful might Derrickson be? He was Georgetown’s leading scorer through their four-game foreign tour through Italy this summer. He'll either be a tweener bust (too small and short for power forward and too slow for small forward) or UNLV/Grand Ma Ma Larry Johnson caliber player with an automatic 3pt shot. No in between. Incredibly high upside but also a low floor. With tweeners/matchup nightmares these things can sometimes be hard to predict till they actually play conference games but I think he's done everything possible to prepare to be the best he can be. So wrong. The tweener tag is much more of a factor in the NBA than in college. If you can play, you'll do fine in college regardless of whether or not you're a classic 3 or 4.
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Post by strummer8526 on Oct 29, 2015 13:42:38 GMT -5
Historically a wide-bodied big man with an inside-out skill set, Derrickson made an incredible commitment to his conditioning during his senior year at Brewster Academy and throughout the summer, which resulted in him losing 40 pounds. While his conditioning always limited his impact, and consequently his ranking, now that he’s in the best shape of his life there’s no denying he’s prepared to make a quick impact for Georgetown. “I can honestly say I don’t think I’ve ever had a person make that type of transformation in high school,” Georgetown head coach John Thompson III said at Big East media day. “He’s just a totally different person and that gets you excited as a coach.” Just how impactful might Derrickson be? He was Georgetown’s leading scorer through their four-game foreign tour through Italy this summer. He'll either be a tweener bust (too small and short for power forward and too slow for small forward) or UNLV/Grand Ma Ma Larry Johnson caliber player with an automatic 3pt shot. No in between. Incredibly high upside but also a low floor. With tweeners/matchup nightmares these things can sometimes be hard to predict till they actually play conference games but I think he's done everything possible to prepare to be the best he can be. This is either the most brilliant, astute post in the history of HT, or it is reprehensible, offensive garbage. No in between.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 29, 2015 14:05:28 GMT -5
He'll either be a tweener bust (too small and short for power forward and too slow for small forward) or UNLV/Grand Ma Ma Larry Johnson caliber player with an automatic 3pt shot. No in between. Incredibly high upside but also a low floor. With tweeners/matchup nightmares these things can sometimes be hard to predict till they actually play conference games but I think he's done everything possible to prepare to be the best he can be. This is either the most brilliant, astute post in the history of HT, or it is reprehensible, offensive garbage. No in between. Over the years, prof has consistently made posts which left me scratching my head...
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 29, 2015 16:46:55 GMT -5
He'll either be a tweener bust (too small and short for power forward and too slow for small forward) or UNLV/Grand Ma Ma Larry Johnson caliber player with an automatic 3pt shot. No in between. Incredibly high upside but also a low floor. With tweeners/matchup nightmares these things can sometimes be hard to predict till they actually play conference games but I think he's done everything possible to prepare to be the best he can be. Chances Derrickson is a bust are zero. He does too many other things well. He is a great passer and rebounder too. Larry Johnson is a bad comp. Larry in college was an athletic freak who would just dunk on people. His back injury made him change as a NBA player. Derrickson can shoot from the perimeter yes, but he also has the ability to know how to carve space to get off shots. Actually LJ had an automatic turnaround midrange shot at UNLV. He'd post up back to the basket past the free throw line, physically thrown his body into the defender to create space and then hit a turnaround J. I remember thinking great shot but he's going to hurt his back with that style. He was more than "just a dunker" in college.
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 29, 2015 16:54:23 GMT -5
He'll either be a tweener bust (too small and short for power forward and too slow for small forward) or UNLV/Grand Ma Ma Larry Johnson caliber player with an automatic 3pt shot. No in between. Incredibly high upside but also a low floor. With tweeners/matchup nightmares these things can sometimes be hard to predict till they actually play conference games but I think he's done everything possible to prepare to be the best he can be. So wrong. The tweener tag is much more of a factor in the NBA than in college. If you can play, you'll do fine in college regardless of whether or not you're a classic 3 or 4. It simply means he'll see the bench if he's too slow to guard 3s and too small/weak to guard 4s. Especially under Thompsons system if you can't play defense you won't see the floor. However, if he's a nightmare matchup whose too powerful for 3s and too fast and skilled for 4s, Thompson is going to have a hard time keeping him off the floor and would give you a dominant 3rd offensive weapon along with DSR and Govan. And if copeland and LJ up there game this year thats 5 guys who demand a double team. I think we'll find out rather quickly which type of player he is. But if I'm right we are looking at a guy who can make a Greg Monroe type freshman impact.
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Post by wnyhoya on Oct 29, 2015 17:19:52 GMT -5
Alright since we're just over two weeks away from the tip of the season, taking into consideration all the rumblings we've heard, the Italy trip, etc., what's the starting five gonna be? Not the starting five in January but the one we roll out against Radford. My prediction:
PG- DSR SG- LJ SF- Ike PF- PW C- Govan
I think DSR, LJ, and Ike are locks but not 100% sure on the other two. I think Derrickson is going to be really good this year and I could see him starting over White at some point in the year and maybe even from game one. However, I think III will give PW the first shot with his skill set and seniority. Also, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion Govan starts game one after hearing III's comments about Hayes and he being a captain. I think ultimately it will be Jessie against Radford but again, I wouldn't be surprised to see Hayes due to captaincy and seniority. What does everyone think?
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 29, 2015 17:32:48 GMT -5
Alright since we're just over two weeks away from the tip of the season, taking into consideration all the rumblings we've heard, the Italy trip, etc., what's the starting five gonna be? Not the starting five in January but the one we roll out against Radford. My prediction: PG- DSR SG- LJ SF- Ike PF- PW C- Govan I think DSR, LJ, and Ike are locks but not 100% sure on the other two. I think Derrickson is going to be really good this year and I could see him starting over White at some point in the year and maybe even from game one. However, I think III will give PW the first shot with his skill set and seniority. Also, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion Govan starts game one after hearing III's comments about Hayes and he being a captain. I think ultimately it will be Jessie against Radford but again, I wouldn't be surprised to see Hayes due to captaincy and seniority. What does everyone think? I think it will be those 5. Govan is just too offensively advanced with his ungairdabel hook shot that we kind of need him in there with DSR. Between copeland, LJ and Derrickson who ever shows the most consistency offensively will eventually get big minutes. Under my theory if Derrickson isn't a tweener than that will mean he will be getting 30'minutes a game by the end of the season. Of course copeland and LJ may step up too. With copeland it's being more aggressive in taking shots and with LJ outside shot consistency. Paul white will start based on seniority. Thompson has always done this as have other coaches. But he may get the quick yank for Derrickson.
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Post by aristides on Oct 29, 2015 18:53:27 GMT -5
I'm guessing Hayes over Govan. JTIII is going to place a premium on having a more experienced center starting for the beginning of the season. I also think it likely that Govan's defense takes longer than his offense does to adjust to this level. Those two reasons will be why Hayes gets the start. Of course I usually guess wrong every year.
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Post by dense on Oct 29, 2015 19:24:42 GMT -5
Chances Derrickson is a bust are zero. He does too many other things well. He is a great passer and rebounder too. Larry Johnson is a bad comp. Larry in college was an athletic freak who would just dunk on people. His back injury made him change as a NBA player. Derrickson can shoot from the perimeter yes, but he also has the ability to know how to carve space to get off shots. Actually LJ had an automatic turnaround midrange shot at UNLV. He'd post up back to the basket past the free throw line, physically thrown his body into the defender to create space and then hit a turnaround J. I remember thinking great shot but he's going to hurt his back with that style. He was more than "just a dunker" in college. No i was saying LJ has athletic gifts Derrickson doesnt. Marcus will never be dunking on people like LJ did. Larry had the shooting range in college he just didnt need it. Marcus and LJ are not a good comp. LJ had an nba body day 1 from JuCo.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 29, 2015 19:40:03 GMT -5
Yeah, LJ is not a good comp. Pre-injury he played like Kemp our a young Barkley. Power and athleticism.
Post injury he expanded his game.
Marcus is more skilled from the outside and less athletic than young Johnson.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 29, 2015 20:54:24 GMT -5
2015-16 Media Guide photo shoot:
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Post by alleninxis on Oct 30, 2015 9:18:56 GMT -5
I put these 'Film Room' features together this year, I'm sure most have seen it at Casual but thought I'd put them here - just finished the last one on DSR: DSRIsaacPaulTreL.J.
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 30, 2015 9:21:12 GMT -5
Yeah, LJ is not a good comp. Pre-injury he played like Kemp our a young Barkley. Power and athleticism. Post injury he expanded his game. Marcus is more skilled from the outside and less athletic than young Johnson. I think you two are underestimating Derrickson's athleticism. For a 6-8 (in shoes) player, Marcus has elite wingspan 7-1. While there are no measurements back then Barkey had elite wingspan as did Kemp and LJ. On top of that in 2014 he weight 273 lbs and now he is down to 243 lbs. It's likely that he has much more lift and explosiveness not carrying around 40 lbs. Just look at fat Shawn Kemp (6-10 300 lbs) he was half the athlete that he was when he was 6-10 240 lbs.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Oct 30, 2015 9:35:07 GMT -5
I think you focus on who we start against MD as that will be the de facto starting bunch for Radford. Who guards Carter? I am not worried about the other spots as I assume DSR/Sulaimon, Peak/Trimble, Layman/Copeland, Stone/Dodd/Cekovsky V. Hayes (I can't see Govan starting that one but who knows) and then White/Derrickson v. Carter. I think that Carter match-up is the one real mismatch regardless of who we put out there. Hayes also has to limit fouls and move his feet.
In that Wisconsin game, I think we have a lot more options & combos. Copeland should be able to check Hayes and Peak v. Koenig.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 30, 2015 9:40:28 GMT -5
I think you focus on who we start against MD as that will be the de facto starting bunch for Radford. Who guards Carter? I am not worried about the other spots as I assume DSR/Sulaimon, Peak/Trimble, Layman/Copeland, Stone/Dodd/Cekovsky V. Hayes (I can't see Govan starting that one but who knows) and then White/Derrickson v. Carter. I think that Carter match-up is the one real mismatch regardless of who we put out there. Hayes also has to limit fouls and move his feet. In that Wisconsin game, I think we have a lot more options & combos. Copeland should be able to check Hayes and Peak v. Koenig. I'd think you'd put White on Layman and Copeland on Carter.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 30, 2015 9:53:09 GMT -5
Yeah, LJ is not a good comp. Pre-injury he played like Kemp our a young Barkley. Power and athleticism. Post injury he expanded his game. Marcus is more skilled from the outside and less athletic than young Johnson. I think you two are underestimating Derrickson's athleticism. For a 6-8 (in shoes) player, Marcus has elite wingspan 7-1. While there are no measurements back then Barkey had elite wingspan as did Kemp and LJ. On top of that in 2014 he weight 273 lbs and now he is down to 243 lbs. It's likely that he has much more lift and explosiveness not carrying around 40 lbs. Just look at fat Shawn Kemp (6-10 300 lbs) he was half the athlete that he was when he was 6-10 240 lbs. If Derrickson has power and athleticism that is comparable to Kemp, pre-injury LJ and Barkley, I hope that JT3 is recruiting his successor for next year, because he's not going to stick around long.
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