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Post by cheer48 on Mar 14, 2015 8:24:43 GMT -5
please where can I find a box score and a newspaper account if the game. thanks
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Post by aristides on Mar 14, 2015 8:29:08 GMT -5
Move on to the tourney. Cope and White seemed to finally get involved.
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Post by beenaround on Mar 14, 2015 8:38:52 GMT -5
Off topic, and this isn't much consolation, but I am very excited by our chances in the NCAA Tourney. We have the weapons to make a good if not great run. Wish I felt the same. Truly,,,its the time of year fans of 63 teams should be pumped. Too many daggers in the past 6 or 7 years have taken their toll on me. Further, although I am sure 50 people will respond that recent performance means nothing, we did not play particularly well in the BET against two beatable teams. So...think I'll be avoiding the "excitement" until gladly proven wrong. |
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 14, 2015 9:02:39 GMT -5
Gotta hand it to XU. They were able (Abell?) to snuff out a pretty good start for the Hoyas, and hold on after a pretty amazing Hoya surge at the end. It's funny, to prevent the unnecessary destruction of my personal property, I hit the pause button with about 8 minutes left, ambled down to the 7-11 for some snacks, came back, and almost wet myself as the comeback took place. Being able to fast forward through all of the stoppages down the stretch probably wasn't the best for the old ticker, but it was fun.
This team showed some serious onions down the stretch, and we will be a tough out in the NCAAs. Copeland and White shook off some first year barnacles that had grown these last few weeks, and I hope will be ready to roll. Let's get Peak a couple nice game opening drives to the basket, circa January, see if he can't get his confidence back. Now, I wonder what kind of ampersand or hyphenated team the NCAA has in store for us...
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Post by prhoya on Mar 14, 2015 9:15:43 GMT -5
Gotta hand it to XU. They were able (Abell?) to snuff out a pretty good start for the Hoyas, and hold on after a pretty amazing Hoya surge at the end. It's funny, to prevent the unnecessary destruction of my personal property, I hit the pause button with about 8 minutes left, ambled down to the 7-11 for some snacks, came back, and almost wet myself as the comeback took place. Being able to fast forward through all of the stoppages down the stretch probably wasn't the best for the old ticker, but it was fun. Next time please hit it at the 9-min mark.  |
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Post by aristides on Mar 14, 2015 9:16:44 GMT -5
Off topic, and this isn't much consolation, but I am very excited by our chances in the NCAA Tourney. We have the weapons to make a good if not great run. Wish I felt the same. Truly,,,its the time of year fans of 63 teams should be pumped. Too many daggers in the past 6 or 7 years have taken their toll on me. Further, although I am sure 50 people will respond that recent performance means nothing, we did not play particularly well in the BET against two beatable teams. So...think I'll be avoiding the "excitement" until gladly proven wrong. I look at it this way. What did I want out of the BE tourney? The BE championship and to prepare them for the NCAA tourney. I feel like the Hoyas achieved one out of two of those goals and the preparation goal was the more important one. I understand your pessimism but I'm still bullish about their chances. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 14, 2015 9:17:36 GMT -5
Let's start over and act like adults. That is not a request. Dan it calmed down there after the comeback when the wallflowers with torches for JTIII quieted down. Wallflowers With Torches would be an awesome name for a band. |
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Post by jld on Mar 14, 2015 9:32:43 GMT -5
This has to be a very difficult team to coach. The combination of experienced but less talented players and talented but inexperienced freshmen has been challenging all year. The good things are that by and large the players do not give up and play hard. Also, while we tend to criticize JT3 within games, he constantly has to watch out for who is on in a given game and does not have the luxury of sitting back and expecting a regular performance from anyone other than DSR. It also has to be a headache to coach a maddening player like Josh.
The other interesting thing is that the players are inconsistent from game to game or even within games, yet the record is remarkably consistent. All of our losses are to 30 RPI teams and with the exception of the Villanova blowout win there were no surprising wins.
A very strange team to watch and coach. Hopefully our overall consistency will have us beat the lower seed to at least pick up a sorely needed NCAA win.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 14, 2015 9:35:27 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Mar 14, 2015 9:35:34 GMT -5
Damn. If that alley oop had connected.... It would've been classic. As is, White has shown that he likes the long, risky passes. Unfortunately, as the season has shown, he turns it over more than he connects the passes. Maybe in high school he could get away with making them and missing them because of his superior team, the competition, etc... In college, there's less room for error. Something to work on during the off-season... |
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Post by sleepy on Mar 14, 2015 9:36:22 GMT -5
Of course, DSR doesn't get the foul on the same play that Arch does at the end of both games..... We are not coached to take the Arch Dive. |
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 14, 2015 9:36:53 GMT -5
It took far too long to get the right personnel and the right structure on the floor to attack the 1-3-1 which is a junk defense that should not be sustainable against a well-coached team with adequate talent. As noted, Copeland had a good shot against it from the short corner which he missed late in the first half, but after another miss of a good shot in the second half he sat long stretches of the second half while players without the skills to flash from high post to short corner for mid-range shots (like Bowen) frittered away crucial minutes. Copeland needs to just keep shooting and to be infused with a shooter's confidence that the next one will be good. Trawick somehow believes that putting his head down and driving into the pile will produce results in the face of substantial evidence to the contrary. If Copeland had the same belief system with his talents, we would have something. As it is, thank God that Bril has a pair. Quick passes over the zone or dribble penetration into it are the formula which should have been engrained in III's head from the Beihlein days of 1-3-1 at WVU, but if he knew what to do and how to attack it, he forgot or failed to communicate it effectively until finally in the run which came too late when he placed Copeland and White on the floor together and achieved proper spacing with personnel capable of making mid-range shots. If Copeland were on the floor missing good shots for sustained periods, it is on the players. This was on the Coach and he must know it. This doesn't make him a horrible coach, but he had a horrible game and had problems coaching against Mack and Cooley all year. Apart from Tyler Adams who inspires me and I sense his teammates, I have no clear idea of what III gets from his assistants to help him make tactical and substitution judgments. My guess is that there were 500 knowledgeable Georgetown fans in the building last night who could have told him to get Copeland in and have him flash and shoot, but if an assistant told him that, he didn't have the trust to listen until too frigging late. That DSR appeared not to be aware that he had committed his 4th foul until it was posted on the scoreboard gave me pause as to the communications flow. Credit to Stainbrook and for that matter to Hop who played good defense most of the time and to the officials who let them bump without calling cheap fouls. DSR was bumped more significantly on his layup at 14 seconds than Arciadiacono was at the end of the Nova game, but Pat Driscoll is a good ref who doesn't call that for either player. Totally agree with HoyaChris on the White lob to Copeland which DSR called. A great play with an execution mistake. You live with that. I will not miss watching Josh Smith. Sorry, but I won't. I will miss Hopkins because the effort is always there. Needed to use our 1st half timeout before Josh committed his second against Macura (he annoys me more than anyone in the league) when it was clear for three prior possessions that he was totally gassed. When DSR plays poorly, we lose. That we won as much as we have, is to his credit, but like Otto Porter and Jeff Green (who are more talented) he does not play great every game. If DSR can play two great games next weekend, if Copeland can attack with confidence, if the match-ups are right, we can get through next weekend and feel ok about this season. I am not expecting it. If we are on to next year after the expected occurs, I sure hope that there is a Moses Ayegba type (better would be nice) looking to make a fifth year move so we have 10 fouls to spend at the 5 next year as one freshmen center and an unproven power forward transfer will create a deficiency that the other very nice pieces will be unlikely to surmount on a consistent and reliable basis (do not mention Bradley Hayes as anything more than evidence of the gravity of the looming problem). I would love to see DSR go out with a Big East title and a run into the Regionals, but we need help to make that a decent prospect. I am tired on leaving town on Saturday mornings and the Big East Tournament still matters to me--right with a sweet 16 showing in terms of equivalent value. I wonder about this as well GP, not just in game but instruction wise too.. Why is this team such a consistently poor shooting team? Why does the program get players touted to be shooters who then turn into bricklayers? The failures of the 2012 & 13 recruiting classes are truly glaring right now.. Thank goodness Brennan landed DSR.. |
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Post by prhoya on Mar 14, 2015 9:38:37 GMT -5
This has to be a very difficult team to coach. The combination of experienced but less talented players and talented but inexperienced freshmen has been challenging all year. The other interesting thing is that the players are inconsistent from game to game or even within games, yet the record is remarkably consistent. All of our losses are to 30 RPI teams and with the election of the Villanova win there were no surprising wins. A very strange team to watch and coach. Jekyll and Hyde. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 14, 2015 9:53:36 GMT -5
It took far too long to get the right personnel and the right structure on the floor to attack the 1-3-1 which is a junk defense that should not be sustainable against a well-coached team with adequate talent. As noted, Copeland had a good shot against it from the short corner which he missed late in the first half, but after another miss of a good shot in the second half he sat long stretches of the second half while players without the skills to flash from high post to short corner for mid-range shots (like Bowen) frittered away crucial minutes. Copeland needs to just keep shooting and to be infused with a shooter's confidence that the next one will be good. Trawick somehow believes that putting his head down and driving into the pile will produce results in the face of substantial evidence to the contrary. If Copeland had the same belief system with his talents, we would have something. As it is, thank God that Bril has a pair. Quick passes over the zone or dribble penetration into it are the formula which should have been engrained in III's head from the Beihlein days of 1-3-1 at WVU, but if he knew what to do and how to attack it, he forgot or failed to communicate it effectively until finally in the run which came too late when he placed Copeland and White on the floor together and achieved proper spacing with personnel capable of making mid-range shots. If Copeland were on the floor missing good shots for sustained periods, it is on the players. This was on the Coach and he must know it. This doesn't make him a horrible coach, but he had a horrible game and had problems coaching against Mack and Cooley all year. Apart from Tyler Adams who inspires me and I sense his teammates, I have no clear idea of what III gets from his assistants to help him make tactical and substitution judgments. My guess is that there were 500 knowledgeable Georgetown fans in the building last night who could have told him to get Copeland in and have him flash and shoot, but if an assistant told him that, he didn't have the trust to listen until too frigging late. That DSR appeared not to be aware that he had committed his 4th foul until it was posted on the scoreboard gave me pause as to the communications flow. Credit to Stainbrook and for that matter to Hop who played good defense most of the time and to the officials who let them bump without calling cheap fouls. DSR was bumped more significantly on his layup at 14 seconds than Arciadiacono was at the end of the Nova game, but Pat Driscoll is a good ref who doesn't call that for either player. Totally agree with HoyaChris on the White lob to Copeland which DSR called. A great play with an execution mistake. You live with that. I will not miss watching Josh Smith. Sorry, but I won't. I will miss Hopkins because the effort is always there. Needed to use our 1st half timeout before Josh committed his second against Macura (he annoys me more than anyone in the league) when it was clear for three prior possessions that he was totally gassed. When DSR plays poorly, we lose. That we won as much as we have, is to his credit, but like Otto Porter and Jeff Green (who are more talented) he does not play great every game. If DSR can play two great games next weekend, if Copeland can attack with confidence, if the match-ups are right, we can get through next weekend and feel ok about this season. I am not expecting it. If we are on to next year after the expected occurs, I sure hope that there is a Moses Ayegba type (better would be nice) looking to make a fifth year move so we have 10 fouls to spend at the 5 next year as one freshmen center and an unproven power forward transfer will create a deficiency that the other very nice pieces will be unlikely to surmount on a consistent and reliable basis (do not mention Bradley Hayes as anything more than evidence of the gravity of the looming problem). I would love to see DSR go out with a Big East title and a run into the Regionals, but we need help to make that a decent prospect. I am tired on leaving town on Saturday mornings and the Big East Tournament still matters to me--right with a sweet 16 showing in terms of equivalent value. This x 100. |
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Post by Eurostar on Mar 14, 2015 9:54:48 GMT -5
It took far too long to get the right personnel and the right structure on the floor to attack the 1-3-1 which is a junk defense that should not be sustainable against a well-coached team with adequate talent. As noted, Copeland had a good shot against it from the short corner which he missed late in the first half, but after another miss of a good shot in the second half he sat long stretches of the second half while players without the skills to flash from high post to short corner for mid-range shots (like Bowen) frittered away crucial minutes. Copeland needs to just keep shooting and to be infused with a shooter's confidence that the next one will be good. Trawick somehow believes that putting his head down and driving into the pile will produce results in the face of substantial evidence to the contrary. If Copeland had the same belief system with his talents, we would have something. As it is, thank God that Bril has a pair. Quick passes over the zone or dribble penetration into it are the formula which should have been engrained in III's head from the Beihlein days of 1-3-1 at WVU, but if he knew what to do and how to attack it, he forgot or failed to communicate it effectively until finally in the run which came too late when he placed Copeland and White on the floor together and achieved proper spacing with personnel capable of making mid-range shots. If Copeland were on the floor missing good shots for sustained periods, it is on the players. This was on the Coach and he must know it. This doesn't make him a horrible coach, but he had a horrible game and had problems coaching against Mack and Cooley all year. Apart from Tyler Adams who inspires me and I sense his teammates, I have no clear idea of what III gets from his assistants to help him make tactical and substitution judgments. My guess is that there were 500 knowledgeable Georgetown fans in the building last night who could have told him to get Copeland in and have him flash and shoot, but if an assistant told him that, he didn't have the trust to listen until too frigging late. That DSR appeared not to be aware that he had committed his 4th foul until it was posted on the scoreboard gave me pause as to the communications flow. Credit to Stainbrook and for that matter to Hop who played good defense most of the time and to the officials who let them bump without calling cheap fouls. DSR was bumped more significantly on his layup at 14 seconds than Arciadiacono was at the end of the Nova game, but Pat Driscoll is a good ref who doesn't call that for either player. Totally agree with HoyaChris on the White lob to Copeland which DSR called. A great play with an execution mistake. You live with that. I will not miss watching Josh Smith. Sorry, but I won't. I will miss Hopkins because the effort is always there. Needed to use our 1st half timeout before Josh committed his second against Macura (he annoys me more than anyone in the league) when it was clear for three prior possessions that he was totally gassed. When DSR plays poorly, we lose. That we won as much as we have, is to his credit, but like Otto Porter and Jeff Green (who are more talented) he does not play great every game. If DSR can play two great games next weekend, if Copeland can attack with confidence, if the match-ups are right, we can get through next weekend and feel ok about this season. I am not expecting it. If we are on to next year after the expected occurs, I sure hope that there is a Moses Ayegba type (better would be nice) looking to make a fifth year move so we have 10 fouls to spend at the 5 next year as one freshmen center and an unproven power forward transfer will create a deficiency that the other very nice pieces will be unlikely to surmount on a consistent and reliable basis (do not mention Bradley Hayes as anything more than evidence of the gravity of the looming problem). I would love to see DSR go out with a Big East title and a run into the Regionals, but we need help to make that a decent prospect. I am tired on leaving town on Saturday mornings and the Big East Tournament still matters to me--right with a sweet 16 showing in terms of equivalent value. Well said. I dont know how, after 2 games where we got it handed to us against the 1-3-1, that we continued to try to run "the offense" against it. The 1-3-1 is perfect against a team that does handoffs at the top of the key and refuses to make skip passes. Copeland is the only guy on our roster who seems to have any idea how to beat a zone - catch the ball in the middle of it, quickly turn and shoot and crash the boards. And its not because JT3 told him to do that - its his innate ability and knowledge of the game. We got down by 20 with Bowen in there for "defense" and Jabril trying to plow through the zone with his head down. Having a guy like Bowen in there against the zone is honestly mind boggling. I still dont have confidence in this team because of the comeback. I like the onions of the guys, but in game coaching and making adjustments when things are going wrong is a major weak spot. |
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 14, 2015 9:56:32 GMT -5
Gotta hand it to XU. They were able (Abell?) to snuff out a pretty good start for the Hoyas, and hold on after a pretty amazing Hoya surge at the end. It's funny, to prevent the unnecessary destruction of my personal property, I hit the pause button with about 8 minutes left, ambled down to the 7-11 for some snacks, came back, and almost wet myself as the comeback took place. Being able to fast forward through all of the stoppages down the stretch probably wasn't the best for the old ticker, but it was fun. Next time please hit it at the 9-min mark. At the 9 minute mark, I think I was pondering whether I could heave my TV through the window without waking up the little lady... |
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Post by prhoya on Mar 14, 2015 9:57:51 GMT -5
Why is this team such a consistently poor shooting team? Why does the program get players touted to be shooters who then turn into bricklayers? This is a topic for an in-depth off-season discussion when there's plenty of time for it. I agree that it is a huge question mark. How about Nikita, Josh T., etc...? It would be good to look at the actual numbers. Why do shooters end up shooting around 20%? Why so bad? Why such a big gap? Is Jabril the only one to get the gap the other way (from bad to good)? Why? Is it practice? Shot selection? I erased last night's game after getting home so I cannot tell exactly how many, but there were several Jason Clark range 3s last night. Why? Our only recruit labelled as a great shooter is Marcus. It will be interesting to see how he does from outside, but he will have a lot of opportunities with our hand-off play at the top of the key. We definitely need to improve our overall shooting and 3s for next year. How? Repetition. Is it that easy? |
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Post by prhoya on Mar 14, 2015 9:59:34 GMT -5
Next time please hit it at the 9-min mark. At the 9 minute mark, I think I was pondering whether I could heave my TV through the window without waking up the little lady... I was asking the pretty waitress for the check. |
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 14, 2015 10:00:03 GMT -5
Just to defend the Bowen usage real quick. You can break a zone in different way other then just passing, especially when a team plays such an extended 1-3-1 as last night. If you drive into the teeth of the zone, you can cause the wing, point, and even C to collapse on the driver. Nothing else at the time was working, so I was fine with giving Bowen a shot. The comeback came about because Copeland realized his job is zone killer but he wasn't doing his job early on when X showed the 1-3-1.
JT3 made adjustments and tried different things, the players just couldn't execute until the last 8 minutes. That just as much them getting tired after their late OT game as it was JT3 making changes. Hell for people complaining JT3 didn't try anything, he put Smith and Hop out there together for a little bit. We haven't seen that in months, but JT3 was trying ANYTHING to get the team going.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 14, 2015 10:04:39 GMT -5
This idea that III lacks intensity and therefore the team lacks intensity is ridiculous.
Anyone who watches college basketball knows when a team is making shots, the intensity goes up on both ends of the court. We saw that with both teams last night. X was playing out of its mind on both ends when they were making those shots during the extended run, while we had nearly the identical intensity during our run. Xavier looked lost for those last 7 minutes (and who knows what happens if that lob is completed). Does that mean Mack is a terrible coach too? I mean his team lost its intensity, its ability to execute, looked completely helpless against the Hoyas and my assertion is it had very little to do with coaching and even less with coaching style.
I think it is lazy and convenient to always blame the coach when a team hits a collective dry spell and then conveniently give no credit to the coach when a run is made. Somehow the players get the credit and the coach gets the blame when the same shots are being taken.
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