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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 12, 2015 8:26:26 GMT -5
No excuses for this game. Take care of business. I don't expect that we will win another 20 point game, but the fact that we crushed them twice stands for something. We are much better. Just gotta make them a jump shooting team. Agreed. Can everyone not get all butt-clenched, at least not yet? We haven't even gotten to Selection Sunday where no matter our matchup someone is going to say, "I wish we didn't have to face [Team X]." If this year's squad has shown anything, they've shown the propensity to beat teams they should beat. They should, and will, beat this team tonight. We are better and we will win. Positive thoughts, people!
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 12, 2015 8:50:35 GMT -5
No excuses for this game. Take care of business. I don't expect that we will win another 20 point game, but the fact that we crushed them twice stands for something. We are much better. Just gotta make them a jump shooting team. Agreed. Can everyone not get all butt-clenched, at least not yet? We haven't even gotten to Selection Sunday where no matter our matchup someone is going to say, "I wish we didn't have to face [Team X]." If this year's squad has shown anything, they've shown the propensity to beat teams they should beat. They should, and will, beat this team tonight. We are better and we will win. Positive thoughts, people! Tonight is maybe the least important game of the season to date. I can't think of a game that mattered less. I hope they win so I can also watch them play tomorrow, but there might also be a way in which getting humiliated tonight could wake us up for next week.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 12, 2015 9:03:17 GMT -5
Agreed. Can everyone not get all butt-clenched, at least not yet? We haven't even gotten to Selection Sunday where no matter our matchup someone is going to say, "I wish we didn't have to face [Team X]." If this year's squad has shown anything, they've shown the propensity to beat teams they should beat. They should, and will, beat this team tonight. We are better and we will win. Positive thoughts, people! Tonight is maybe the least important game of the season to date. I can't think of a game that mattered less. I hope they win so I can also watch them play tomorrow, but there might also be a way in which getting humiliated tonight could wake us up for next week. Understand your reasoning but losing tonight could significantly affect seeding. As a 5 seed the HOYAS could get a much easier path than as an 8 seed. I can easily see a loss to Creighton dropping the HOYAS into the 8 seed range. A win with a loss to Butler or Xavier would not have anywhere near the consequences.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 12, 2015 9:08:53 GMT -5
Yes, this game could definitely affect seeding so Im not clear how it is the least important game of the season. Regardless, like brasky said, I'm not going to be sucked down that rabbit hole. We are going to win this game.
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Post by Buckets on Mar 12, 2015 9:18:58 GMT -5
We are better and should win, but: - since we last played them they are 3-5 with a win against Xavier and very close losses to Villanova and Xavier; they are playing much better than when we beat them by 27 - they shot 5/25 and 5/22 from 3 against us in 2 games; if they shoot less than 25% again I will be stunned. I'd expect in the neighborhood of 35-40% - they're playing for their season, which is in many ways more motivating than just playing for a seed
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 12, 2015 9:28:47 GMT -5
Tonight is maybe the least important game of the season to date. I can't think of a game that mattered less. I hope they win so I can also watch them play tomorrow, but there might also be a way in which getting humiliated tonight could wake us up for next week. Understand your reasoning but losing tonight could significantly affect seeding. As a 5 seed the HOYAS could get a much easier path than as an 8 seed. I can easily see a loss to Creighton dropping the HOYAS into the 8 seed range. A win with a loss to Butler or Xavier would not have anywhere near the consequences. If you think this game means a swing between the 5th and the 8th seed, I don't know what to tell you. That's just not the case. We are locked in at 6. We could just as easily get pared with an 11 and a 3 in our pod who aren't as good as the 12 and 4 we might see if we get a 5 seed. And I shouldn't have to remind you that high seeding hasn't helped us at all recently. I didn't say nothing could be gained, only that the game just isn't that important.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 12, 2015 9:34:26 GMT -5
We are better and should win, but: - since we last played them they are 3-5 with a win against Xavier and very close losses to Villanova and Xavier; they are playing much better than when we beat them by 27 - they shot 5/25 and 5/22 from 3 against us in 2 games; if they shoot less than 25% again I will be stunned. I'd expect in the neighborhood of 35-40% - they're playing for their season, which is in many ways more motivating than just playing for a seed Yeah, dont deny any of that, but they are a relatively poor shooting team. The key is stay in front of Brooks and bottle up the lane. DePaul did a poor job of that. We did a poor job of that in the first half in Verizon.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 12, 2015 9:37:10 GMT -5
I would agree with KenPom that if we played Creighton 10 times, we would beat them either 7 or 8 times out of 10. We've gone 2-0 already, so you might expect that Creighton is likely to win 1 of the next 2 or 3 matchups. That 1 could certainly come today, though I do not expect it to.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 12, 2015 9:40:56 GMT -5
No excuses for this game. Take care of business. I don't expect that we will win another 20 point game, but the fact that we crushed them twice stands for something. We are much better. Just gotta make them a jump shooting team. Agreed. Can everyone not get all butt-clenched, at least not yet? We haven't even gotten to Selection Sunday where no matter our matchup someone is going to say, "I wish we didn't have to face [Team X]." If this year's squad has shown anything, they've shown the propensity to beat teams they should beat. They should, and will, beat this team tonight. We are better and we will win. Positive thoughts, people! Mr. Brasky speaks the truth.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 12, 2015 9:41:52 GMT -5
Remember, they're playing two nights in a row. I expect them to comet strong but wilt in the second half. Might be a good idea to press them early and try to run.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 12, 2015 9:49:39 GMT -5
Agreed. Can everyone not get all butt-clenched, at least not yet? We haven't even gotten to Selection Sunday where no matter our matchup someone is going to say, "I wish we didn't have to face [Team X]." If this year's squad has shown anything, they've shown the propensity to beat teams they should beat. They should, and will, beat this team tonight. We are better and we will win. Positive thoughts, people! Tonight is maybe the least important game of the season to date. I can't think of a game that mattered less. I hope they win so I can also watch them play tomorrow, but there might also be a way in which getting humiliated tonight could wake us up for next week. Through the ups and downs of this season, the one constant has been our ability to beat mediocre and bad teams. We also rely on a number of freshmen who have shown significant inconsistency. Losing tonight would not wake us up; it would potentially decimate our confidence, and we would have 7 or 8 days to live day by day, hour by hour with that feeling.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 12, 2015 9:55:14 GMT -5
Yes, this game could definitely affect seeding so Im not clear how it is the least important game of the season. Regardless, like brasky said, I'm not going to be sucked down that rabbit hole. We are going to win this game. Every game this season could have affected seeding. I think this game would probably have less of an impact on seeding than any other game we played all year. If you would like to point to a couple of games that you think were of lesser significance from a seeding/conference standings/national rankings perspective, it would be easier to debate this point.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 12, 2015 9:57:45 GMT -5
Agreed. Can everyone not get all butt-clenched, at least not yet? We haven't even gotten to Selection Sunday where no matter our matchup someone is going to say, "I wish we didn't have to face [Team X]." If this year's squad has shown anything, they've shown the propensity to beat teams they should beat. They should, and will, beat this team tonight. We are better and we will win. Positive thoughts, people! Tonight is maybe the least important game of the season to date. I can't think of a game that mattered less. I hope they win so I can also watch them play tomorrow, but there might also be a way in which getting humiliated tonight could wake us up for next week. I get that losing today won't end the season but I think it's very important that the team continues to beat the teams it's supposed to beat.. The BET should be viewed as prep for next week in that it's a win or you're out scenario.. I personally hope they're not looking past this week, take care of your business in NYC 1st..
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 12, 2015 9:58:20 GMT -5
Tonight is maybe the least important game of the season to date. I can't think of a game that mattered less. I hope they win so I can also watch them play tomorrow, but there might also be a way in which getting humiliated tonight could wake us up for next week. Through the ups and downs of this season, the one constant has been our ability to beat mediocre and bad teams. We also rely on a number of freshmen who have shown significant inconsistency. Losing tonight would not wake us up; it would potentially decimate our confidence, and we would have 7 or 8 days to live day by day, hour by hour with that feeling. No offense, Frazier, but this is pure speculation, and probably nonsense. I highly doubt that losing to a desperate Creighton team on a neutral floor could have much impact on the team's "confidence"--however that is measured and whatever impact that supposedly has on the game. These are basketball games. Sometimes the shots don't go in or the ball goes off the wrong guy at the wrong time, or the ref makes a bad call. That's why we could never expect to beat Creighton 100% of the time. Most of the time in sports, but not always, the better team wins, as we know well around these parts.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 12, 2015 9:58:48 GMT -5
Yes, this game could definitely affect seeding so Im not clear how it is the least important game of the season. Regardless, like brasky said, I'm not going to be sucked down that rabbit hole. We are going to win this game. Every game this season could have affected seeding. I think this game would probably have less of an impact on seeding than any other game we played all year. If you would like to point to a couple of games that you think were of lesser significance from a seeding/conference standings/national rankings perspective, it would be easier to debate this point. Uh, it would have a bigger impact on seeding because it would be by far our worst loss and meanwhile other teams would keep playing to pass us, notably the teams that would directly benefit from our loss- Butler, Xavier, Providence. But, again, we are going to win.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 12, 2015 9:59:30 GMT -5
Tonight is maybe the least important game of the season to date. I can't think of a game that mattered less. I hope they win so I can also watch them play tomorrow, but there might also be a way in which getting humiliated tonight could wake us up for next week. I get that losing today won't end the season but I think it's very important that the team continues to beat the teams it's supposed to beat.. The BET should be viewed as prep for next week in that it's a win or you're out scenario.. I personally hope they're not looking past this week, take care of your business in NYC 1st.. We have won plenty of BET games since 2007. But only 1 NCAA game. The two have no relationship, and the former has certainly never been prep for the latter.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 12, 2015 10:07:56 GMT -5
Every game this season could have affected seeding. I think this game would probably have less of an impact on seeding than any other game we played all year. If you would like to point to a couple of games that you think were of lesser significance from a seeding/conference standings/national rankings perspective, it would be easier to debate this point. Uh, it would have a bigger impact on seeding because it would be by far our worst loss and meanwhile other teams would keep playing to pass us, notably the teams that would directly benefit from our loss- Butler, Xavier, Providence. But, again, we are going to win. Obviously I'm talking about looking at these games from an ex ante perspective--i.e. you don't know going in what the result is going to be and assess the importance on that basis. So by your comment, you're conceding that every game against teams worse than Creighton from an RPI standpoint was more important than today's game (because those would have been worse losses than today would be). That leaves the games against teams not worse than Creighton. I would argue that placement in the conference standings is more important for seeding purposes than today's game is, and therefore by definition every regular season game that would have impacted our place in the standings (i.e. all of them), was more important going into the game than today's game. I suppose one could debate that point, but it seems pretty clear to me. So that eliminates the conference games and the games against teams worse than Creighton (i.e. the bulk of the non-conference schedule). That leaves only a handful of games: Florida, Wisconsin, Butler, Indiana, and Kansas, I believe. Do you think that the game today is as important or more important than those games were going in? Each was a chance for a significant non-conference victory against a quality team better than Creighton is. I'd argue all of them were more important than today's game is.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 12, 2015 10:09:06 GMT -5
Honestly, dude, I think you are just trying to psych yourself out for this game. I dont blame you, Ive been there. But your arguments are all over the place.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 12, 2015 10:09:50 GMT -5
Last I checked, I thought we were playing in the Big East Tournament in order to win the Big East Tournament. As much as I think the NCAAs are going to determine how successful we think this season was, the Big East tournament is still the Big East tournament, and we are still the #2 seed--the Hoyas should be motivated to beat Creighton because that's the first step to winning our first Big East tournament since 2007.
Seton Hall and Providence have won more Big East tournaments since 1990 than we have.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 12, 2015 10:11:01 GMT -5
I get that losing today won't end the season but I think it's very important that the team continues to beat the teams it's supposed to beat.. The BET should be viewed as prep for next week in that it's a win or you're out scenario.. I personally hope they're not looking past this week, take care of your business in NYC 1st.. We have won plenty of BET games since 2007. But only 1 NCAA game. The two have no relationship, and the former has certainly never been prep for the latter. I don't see how anyone can dispute that it's generally better to be playing well and remain healthy going into the NCAAs than to be not playing well and/or to be unhealthy. Sure, neither guarantees success or failure, but one is still better than the other. If we put up a stinker tonight, of course we can still get to the Sweet 16, but I'd still rather play well and win. The only risk in a tournament like this (aside from injury) is that you win in a fools-gold sort of way or you stink so badly your confidence is ruined. That is, as to the former, your run to the championship is through bad teams due to upsets, or you beat good teams but because they missed a ton of open shots or you happened to make a lot of bad (contested) shots. That can bleed over into the following week. As to the latter, lose to Creighton and there's a risk there's some significant mental doubt. I don't see any significant risk of "fatigue." It's three games in three days...not four or (worse) the five that are in some tournaments. And we've got four whole days off afterward. Play well and stay healthy are the primary goals, and if we do both of those things, the odds are very good that we win today anyway (and decent odds we win tomorrow, too). I see no benefit (aside from a higher likelihood of health) in losing. We don't need a wake up call. Coach and (more importantly) the juniors/seniors aren't going to let the youngsters (or themselves) take Stephen F. Austin lightly. And as for a seed? Sure, you could get stuck with a bad matchup even with a better seed or you could even get stuck with a better team if you get screwed, but the odds are still better that you play a worse team the higher your seed is. Maybe it's all a marginal difference, but I'll take advantages at the margins!
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