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Post by Big Dog on Mar 8, 2015 16:33:52 GMT -5
We should be giddy about this game. I think the reality is that these are the two worst teams in the conference, and we get to play one of them for the right to either play Butler a 4th time (no thanks) or to finally get what Providence owes us (much preferred).
But overall I'd rather just take our easy win Thursday and then I won't really be too worked up about anything until we make our NCAA debut.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 8, 2015 16:47:48 GMT -5
Whoops I meant Creighton! But point still stands
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 8, 2015 18:09:59 GMT -5
It makes me a little nervous because of that kind of "Third time's not a charm" curse/coincidence in BE, like our revenge against that eternally hated school in 2010 BET, and our upset by DePaul last year after we swept them in the regular season... Anyway, in the win-or-go-home part of the season, every detail matters. Practice FTs (look at how FTs hurt Butler and SHU during the past two games), and improve perimeter defense. Let's go, Hoyas! Can we drop the "third time's not a charm" mantra. It may have been true in previous BEs with unbalanced schedules but in the new BE with home and aways, every BET game is a "third time". Yes, the more two teams play each other, the more they know each other...that's why NBA game 7s are great. But there is no curse on winning 3 games in a season, especially if you're the better team.
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Post by FLHoya on Mar 8, 2015 18:54:50 GMT -5
Yup, with all due respect to Creighton I would rather play them than DePaul. DePaul has played really tough this year and they have alot of players capable of going on 3pt barrages. On top of that they are an RPI killer at 168 compared to Creighton's 127. Also we seem to match up really well with Creighton and Hopkins seems to really have Creighton's number defensively and on the boards.[/quote] I'm on board conceptually with DePaul as a potential landmine b/c of the whole 3-point streakiness thing. That being said, they've lost 10 of 11 and they haven't beaten anybody not named Seton Hall since January 17th. Strange things happen in the Big East Tournament--ask 16-2 Villanova how theirs went last season--but a loss would be pretty strange. I think it's fair to say without disrespect to either team that the difference between these potential QF matchups as a 2 seed and the Xavier matchup as a 3 seed is a big deal. I'm actually not sure who I'd pick to win DePaul vs. Creighton. They split during the season, with the road team winning both by double digits.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 8, 2015 19:17:11 GMT -5
We should be giddy about this game. I think the reality is that these are the two worst teams in the conference, and we get to play one of them for the right to either play Butler a 4th time (no thanks) or to finally get what Providence owes us (much preferred). But overall I'd rather just take our easy win Thursday and then I won't really be too worked up about anything until we make our NCAA debut. Yep.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 8, 2015 19:32:11 GMT -5
It makes me a little nervous because of that kind of "Third time's not a charm" curse/coincidence in BE, like our revenge against that eternally hated school in 2010 BET, and our upset by DePaul last year after we swept them in the regular season... Anyway, in the win-or-go-home part of the season, every detail matters. Practice FTs (look at how FTs hurt Butler and SHU during the past two games), and improve perimeter defense. Let's go, Hoyas! Can we drop the "third time's not a charm" mantra. It may have been true in previous BEs with unbalanced schedules but in the new BE with home and aways, every BET game is a "third time". Yes, the more two teams play each other, the more they know each other...that's why NBA game 7s are great. But there is no curse on winning 3 games in a season, especially if you're the better team. Agreed. Villanova has beaten 7 BE teams twice. I doubt they are worried that they will have to match up again with those teams. Just gotta take care of business.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 8, 2015 20:28:10 GMT -5
Yup, with all due respect to Creighton I would rather play them than DePaul. DePaul has played really tough this year and they have alot of players capable of going on 3pt barrages. On top of that they are an RPI killer at 168 compared to Creighton's 127. Also we seem to match up really well with Creighton and Hopkins seems to really have Creighton's number defensively and on the boards. I'm on board conceptually with DePaul as a potential landmine b/c of the whole 3-point streakiness thing. That being said, they've lost 10 of 11 and they haven't beaten anybody not named Seton Hall since January 17th. Strange things happen in the Big East Tournament--ask 16-2 Villanova how theirs went last season--but a loss would be pretty strange. I think it's fair to say without disrespect to either team that the difference between these potential QF matchups as a 2 seed and the Xavier matchup as a 3 seed is a big deal. I'm actually not sure who I'd pick to win DePaul vs. Creighton. They split during the season, with the road team winning both by double digits. DePaul also upset us last year in the BET ruining our tourney hopes. Their team seems improved from last years team that beat us although we are obviously much better than last years Hoyas as well. So it should be a revenge game for us but we can't underestimate them.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Mar 9, 2015 6:17:28 GMT -5
We should be giddy about this game. I think the reality is that these are the two worst teams in the conference, and we get to play one of them for the right to either play Butler a 4th time (no thanks) or to finally get what Providence owes us (much preferred). But overall I'd rather just take our easy win Thursday and then I won't really be too worked up about anything until we make our NCAA debut. It's Butler or Xavier, right?
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 9, 2015 7:29:06 GMT -5
Thank you. Of course it is.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 9, 2015 9:45:34 GMT -5
DePaul is the much better team, but Creighton worries me a bit, too. I hope that is just my Hoya Paranoia gland.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 9, 2015 9:59:01 GMT -5
DePaul is the much better team, but Creighton worries me a bit, too. I hope that is just my Hoya Paranoia gland. No they aren't. DePaul is KenPom #154 or something and has lost 10 out of 11 games. Creighton is ranked in the 80s and went 4-6 after an 0-8 start in conference play. Creighton is definitely the better team. Neither one should "worry" you. Georgetown is much better than both.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 9, 2015 10:35:27 GMT -5
DePaul is the much better team, but Creighton worries me a bit, too. I hope that is just my Hoya Paranoia gland. No they aren't. DePaul is KenPom #154 or something and has lost 10 out of 11 games. Creighton is ranked in the 80s and went 4-6 after an 0-8 start in conference play. Creighton is definitely the better team. Neither one should "worry" you. Georgetown is much better than both. I don't know, DePaul is the much more talented team. It's just that they have had to shift their play a little because the games are being called a little differently now than they were in the beginning of the year for them. The numbers might say otherwise, but put me in the camp that thinks that DePaul is more dangerous.
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Post by beenaround on Mar 9, 2015 10:55:42 GMT -5
I think we have all learned that in these one and done tournaments, it doesn't matter which team is better (over the course of a season.) What matters is how they matchup with us, style of play, etc. For instance, I think we all feel we are better than Xavier...but do we wanna see them...NOT ME!
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 9, 2015 11:24:58 GMT -5
Thinking about coming up for the weekend. Would be interested in hearing about the Gtown-specific experience. Do people usually gather before and after, sit in one specific area of MSG, etc. Thanks, all. Will take it offline if it becomes annoying for board discussion. Just curious.
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Post by wrestlemania on Mar 9, 2015 12:20:32 GMT -5
Tough to pick DePaul/Creighton (you'll probably see a crowd shot from this game if you follow Empty Seats Galore on Twitter). Creighton has been very competitive lately but those games were at home. DePaul hasn't won much of anything in two months but has a better roster than usual, and, when he's right, probably the best overall player in Billy Garrett. DePaul draws small at home, they won't have more than 50 who will travel to watch them play. I expect them to do a mail job if Creighton goes up 10-15 points.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 9, 2015 12:43:54 GMT -5
I would like to play Xavier again. We are due against those fools.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Mar 9, 2015 13:17:39 GMT -5
I would like to play Xavier again. We are due against those fools. I would like to play whoever advances to play us. FWIW, we blew out Creighton twice, and while our two games against DePaul were close. So based on that, between the two, I guess I'd choose Creighton, though it would be nice to payback DePaul for knocking us out of NCAA contention last season. Also, while I'm pretty sure they'll have good numbers, I don't think we'll see nearly as many Creighton fans at this season's Big East Tournament as we did last year. They're down this year (though their home attendance has stayed pretty constant and is still #1 in the Big East), and last year was a special season for them. Here's what I think could happen (obviously depending on other conference tournament results): Lose to DePaul/Creighton: #7 seed (doubt we'll lose two seeds based on one bad loss, but I'd rather not find out) Lose in semi's: #6 seed Lose in championship: #5 seed Win BET championship: #4 seed Also, I think it depends on who we play - for instance, if we reach the championship game, we'd like to face 'Nova. But overall, for NCAA seeding purposes, I think we really just need to win our first game, then everything after that is gravy. Obviously I'd love to advance far though, or win the whole damn thing. However, I think I'm more concerned about how our play looks leading into the NCAA Tournament. Then, once the Big Dance hits, it's really only results that matter.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Mar 9, 2015 13:22:26 GMT -5
Thinking about coming up for the weekend. Would be interested in hearing about the Gtown-specific experience. Do people usually gather before and after, sit in one specific area of MSG, etc. Thanks, all. Will take it offline if it becomes annoying for board discussion. Just curious. I can only speak from my personal experience, but I've attended 3 times (2007, 2010, 2014), and I thought it was more than worth it every time (yes, even last year's opening round loss to DePaul). I went with friends each time, which made it more fun, but there are generally some pre- or post-game official Hoyas events, and bars in the area tend to be full all week with fans of all schools. Other than the student and band sections, I think fans are generally spread out amongst MSG (that's the way they do ticketing, which is different than most other conference tournaments), but it usually isn't too hard to find Hoyas fans during our games. The plus side of this is that you usually get to have some pretty interesting conversation with fans from other schools in the stands.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 9, 2015 13:33:37 GMT -5
Nova/Hoyas final would likely be the best TV and in arena audience as well. Don't want to play Butler four times.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 9, 2015 13:35:36 GMT -5
Tough to pick DePaul/Creighton (you'll probably see a crowd shot from this game if you follow Empty Seats Galore on Twitter). Creighton has been very competitive lately but those games were at home. DePaul hasn't won much of anything in two months but has a better roster than usual, and, when he's right, probably the best overall player in Billy Garrett. DePaul draws small at home, they won't have more than 50 who will travel to watch them play. I expect them to do a mail job if Creighton goes up 10-15 points. Don't underestimate the Creighton turnout.
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