kchoya
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Enter your message here...
Posts: 9,934
|
Post by kchoya on Feb 22, 2015 3:15:36 GMT -5
MORE Leadership! Those were two bad plays towards the end of the game and it's not the first time he's done that. Being the leading scorer or top assist man doesn't mean you are consistently leading. Im going to stop posting about this because I don't want to get into me bashing DSR because he is a very good player but this team as a whole lacks a true leader come crunch time. Jabril has tried to be that player but he is not consistent or good enough. It's like another poster said this team can beat anyone or lose to anyone and a team with this type of talent Should not be that type of team. There are plenty of times this team looks lost on the floor and there have been games where the freshman look like the best players on the floor at crunch time and the more aggressive players. While the freshman are talented with two talented upperclass players like Josh and DSR they should be leading the team and taking over during those lost moments but instead they have trouble taking charge during those moments. Top scorer. Top assist man. I don't even know how many weeks of BE honor roll. Clutch free throw shooter. Huge improvement on defense. Plays a new position on this team. Went from being quiet to a vocal leader. What else do you want from him? More leadership? That's not vague or anything. If only his leadership dial went to 11 instead of just 10.
|
|
GIGAFAN99
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,487
|
Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 22, 2015 7:21:06 GMT -5
Seth Davis just said what I've heard a thousand times over the past few years about Georgetown: "You get the feeling that Georgetown could beat any team or lose to any team." Completely disagree. This team has no bad losses. The past teams who lost to double digit seeds all lost to scrub teams like Rutgers and USF etc. This team has avoided all the pitfalls. We haven't lost to any bad teams. We've given some games away, but only to teams that are good enough to go out and take a win from a quality team anyway. And the Hoyas are 7-0 against the non-tournament teams in the league, they just swept 3 games they should win trailing for about 10 minutes out of 120, etc. The "could lose to anybody" narrative is baggage from NCAA tourneys past pasted on a sloppy 5 minutes in a game the Hoyas won.
|
|
GUJook97
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 5,445
|
Post by GUJook97 on Feb 22, 2015 8:15:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I was thinking the same after being disappointed with the play last night. We are 7-0 against the bottom of the league, it was bound to happen that 1-2 of those game wouldn't be dominating performances.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 8:15:52 GMT -5
Hi Iverwig
With due respect, you are just plain wrong about DSR. You know what DSR needs. He needs to be given more time on the bench to rest. He is bringing the ball up against the press, playing tough defense, distributing the ball. He just lost his legs at the end from too much time on the court. A perfect example was seen with about two minutes to go. He dribbles to the basket and with no one around bricks a 3 footer. That was a sign that he lost his legs. Same goes for Smith. These guys have to be given the appropriate rest. The problem is that it is just so hard to take DSR out because the team doesn't function well without him. However, don't blame him. I am just worried that DSR will wear down at the end of this year like Otto did two years ago.
|
|
Loyal Hoya
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 554
|
Post by Loyal Hoya on Feb 22, 2015 8:24:09 GMT -5
I think JTIII got it exactly right in his post-game comments. Any conference win is a good win. DePaul has some good players who were really scrapping out there. Yet there are a lot of things we need to clean up if we want to become a better team.
Most concerning were the turnovers at the end of the first half and then when we turned it over on three straight possession (and 4 out of 5) in the second half. Tre and Jabril hit some big free throws when we needed them, but our overall free throw shooting needs to improve. We had some defensive lapses, but Robinson also hit some tough shots.
|
|
GIGAFAN99
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,487
|
Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 22, 2015 8:49:56 GMT -5
It's not this simple but...
Hoyas in conference play
<20% turnover rate: 7-0 >20% turnover rate: 3-5
The 3 wins? Creighton, Marquette, and Depaul at home.
|
|
Eurostar
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,095
|
Post by Eurostar on Feb 22, 2015 9:10:29 GMT -5
Hi Iverwig With due respect, you are just plain wrong about DSR. You know what DSR needs. He needs to be given more time on the bench to rest. He is bringing the ball up against the press, playing tough defense, distributing the ball. He just lost his legs at the end from too much time on the court. A perfect example was seen with about two minutes to go. He dribbles to the basket and with no one around bricks a 3 footer. That was a sign that he lost his legs. Same goes for Smith. These guys have to be given the appropriate rest. The problem is that it is just so hard to take DSR out because the team doesn't function well without him. However, don't blame him. I am just worried that DSR will wear down at the end of this year like Otto did two years ago. Agreed. I've been saying this all year. Theres no reason he needs to play 40 minutes in this game. 37 minutes in a 20 point win against St Johns. 36 minutes in a 20 point win against Seton Hall
|
|
FLHoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Proud Member of Generation Burton
Posts: 4,544
|
Post by FLHoya on Feb 22, 2015 9:52:12 GMT -5
Agreed. This is the type of game we lose in previous years. Depends on the year. In 2014, we probably lose it because DePaul's frontcourt was too much for John Caprio. In 2013, we win 48-43 and Otto has half the points and a triple double. In 2012, we win 68-63 but it's tied at 63 with 15 seconds left and Hollis hits a game winning three and Henry blocks DePaul's tying three attempt. In 2011, we win but DSR gets hurt and it's our last regular season win. In 2010, we lose 68-63 but beat Villanova on Tuesday. In 2003 we're still playing in about the 45th overtime as I type this b/c Craig Esherick and Dave Leitao can't design a play to break the tie at the end of OTs 1-44.
|
|
|
Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 22, 2015 10:26:09 GMT -5
On the plus side, the Hoya centers were 5-5 from the line. I thought Hop making both ends of a one-and-one as the game tightened was a big moment.
|
|
|
Post by HoyasAreHungry on Feb 22, 2015 10:32:43 GMT -5
Josh was asked about the season's student turnout in the post-game press conference, with the reporter noting that this was the last home game with the students in attendance, and he diplomatically had nothing but positive things to say. JTIII concurred but added that just because the last game is during spring break does not mean the students can't come out to support the seniors. He did what??? Really wish III would do something like this. He can't really think the support has been good this year. collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/22/roy-williams-calls-out-north-carolina-fan-base-following-win-over-georgia-tech/
|
|
EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 15,245
|
Post by EtomicB on Feb 22, 2015 10:34:24 GMT -5
The highlight of the game for me was Alaa A. proclaiming DePaul to have effectively switched defenses into a zone while they were playing a man. And then a possession later using a reply to describe a box and one that appeared to also be a straight man. Seriously, I thought our zone worked for a while but then got sloppy and we stuck with it a bit too long after they had figured it out. Offensively, it would really help if Paul started doing a few things out there. Really anything. I thought this was one of his worse games overall on that end. I keep hoping he turns a corner.That was one of the first times I have seen this team flustered by pressure. Surprised DePaul didn't try it earlier and more often. I think Paul is what he is for the rest of this season but he can still be a valuable contributor if he continues to keep the ball moving, rebound(especially this) & defend the way he has the past few games.. I would like to see him use his pull up mid range game and stop shooting 3's He's really not a scoring threat but he has to be guarded which is big for the offense, It can't be underestimated how much it means to the teams flow that all players have to be accounted for by the opponent.. To me it's LJ who has to pick it up on offense imo..
|
|
|
Post by grandmahoya on Feb 22, 2015 10:46:01 GMT -5
Regarding Seth Davis's comments about the Hoyas performances: I'd like to remind him that we're the #2 team in the second best conference in the country. We have no bad losses. We beat Villanova when they were number 4 and we've secured a first round bye in the BE tournament. His constant negativity concerning the Hoyas puzzles me, and I'm wondering what that's all about. Most other sport's commentators are usually positive about our team and our wins.
|
|
mfk24
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 2,759
|
Post by mfk24 on Feb 22, 2015 10:49:54 GMT -5
White seems like the kind of player that has to see the ball go through the basket first and then his game grows from there and he starts to hit other shots. I also think he's struggling a bit now that Ike's role is growing and his seems to be shrinking and so his overall confidence is shook. Early in the season he was the first guy off the bench, and a big contributor, once Ike starting adjusting to the game, it was him off the bench first, then Ike worked his way into the starting line-up and now Hop is the first off the bench. So I think he has to readjust to his role. They're somewhat interchangeable parts and this is one of the issues that I'm sure some could have foreseen.
|
|
hoyajinx
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 2,585
|
Post by hoyajinx on Feb 22, 2015 11:06:38 GMT -5
Regarding Seth Davis's comments about the Hoyas performances: I'd like to remind him that we're the #2 team in the second best conference in the country. We have no bad losses. We beat Villanova when they were number 4 and we've secured a first round bye in the BE tournament. His constant negativity concerning the Hoyas puzzles me, and I'm wondering what that's all about. Most other sport's commentators are usually positive about our team and our wins. To be fair, Seth Davis is one of the AP voters who pretty consistently throws the Hoyas top 25 votes this year. Interestingly enough, for those of us who contend that ESPN has a pervasive interest in continually discrediting the Big East, Dick Vitale is one of only two voters this year not to give Georgetown a single vote for the AP top 25. In the week we were 14-5, just after beating Villanova, he believed Indiana, Tulsa, and Colorado St. were more worthy candidates.
|
|
DanMcQ
Moderator
Posts: 32,091
|
Post by DanMcQ on Feb 22, 2015 11:09:42 GMT -5
The student attendance looked far better than the season ticket holder attendance, at least on TV. If you get 2000+ students on a regular basis with 3000 for a big game that would be about as good as you can expect given the size of the student body. I couldn't make it down from Boston but made sure my tickets were in good Hoya hands.
|
|
DanMcQ
Moderator
Posts: 32,091
|
Post by DanMcQ on Feb 22, 2015 11:11:20 GMT -5
Regarding Seth Davis's comments about the Hoyas performances: I'd like to remind him that we're the #2 team in the second best conference in the country. We have no bad losses. We beat Villanova when they were number 4 and we've secured a first round bye in the BE tournament. His constant negativity concerning the Hoyas puzzles me, and I'm wondering what that's all about. Most other sport's commentators are usually positive about our team and our wins. To be fair, Seth Davis is one of the AP voters who pretty consistently throws the Hoyas top 25 votes this year. Interestingly enough, for those of us who contend that ESPN has a pervasive interest in continually discrediting the Big East, Dick Vitale is one of only two voters this year not to give Georgetown a single vote for the AP top 25. In the week we were 14-5, just after beating Villanova, he believed Indiana, Tulsa, and Colorado St. were more worthy candidates. Dick is getting senile and his analysis has been so superficial for years that it is very difficult to take seriously.
|
|
SSHoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
"Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown."
Posts: 19,180
|
Post by SSHoya on Feb 22, 2015 11:19:37 GMT -5
The student attendance looked far better than the season ticket holder attendance, at least on TV. If you get 2000+ students on a regular basis with 3000 for a big game that would be about as good as you can expect given the size of the student body. I couldn't make it down from Boston but made sure my tickets were in good Hoya hands. Agree with this. I thought the students did a good job at turning out on a snowy Saturday night. The season ticket holders, coming from who knows where, seemed to have abandoned attempts to attend the game. Few of the regulars in Section 101 near me were there.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 11:25:37 GMT -5
We don't have a monopoly on apathetic fans. If Roy Williams is complaining about UNC fans being quiet there's really not a lot of programs that won't have some kind of fan issue. (I think I also remember an article about how the Cameron Crazies were having trouble filling their allotment a couple years back and Coach K criticized them.) Cuse -- links below -- is another example of a school with a supposedly rabid fanbase, with a much large enrollment and no other entertainment options having trouble drawing this season. Pretty much the sanctions have dulled enthusiasm and we're seeing the results now. I think our post-season losses have had a somewhat similar impact although it is apple to oranges -- pun intended -- in some sense because the Hoyas team is good this year and the students should be excited while Cuse has effectively cancelled their season. But the point is that any type of negativity with the program is going to make attendance wane. The upsets and missing the tourney last year will do that to you. Nonetheless, I'll add to the chorus that it will take some March success to fire-up a new generation of student interest. I also think there are a variety of ways the AD can increase turnout from improving logistics/transportation to increased outreach within the community to marketing to untapped segments of the university, but that's a separate discussion.... syracusefan.com/threads/the-so-called-ottos-army-should-be-ashamed.87427/syracusefan.com/threads/historically-bad-turnout-by-the-students.87431/
|
|
EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 15,245
|
Post by EtomicB on Feb 22, 2015 11:29:53 GMT -5
Regarding Seth Davis's comments about the Hoyas performances: I'd like to remind him that we're the #2 team in the second best conference in the country. We have no bad losses. We beat Villanova when they were number 4 and we've secured a first round bye in the BE tournament. His constant negativity concerning the Hoyas puzzles me, and I'm wondering what that's all about. Most other sport's commentators are usually positive about our team and our wins. All true Grandma but would you really be surprised if as a 6th seed G'town lost to 11 seed LSU, UCLA, Stanford or Illinois in the 1st round? I love this team but I wouldn't be.. On the flip side I wouldn't be surprised if G'town beat a 3 seed in ND, Iowa St., Oklahoma or Utah in the 2nd round.. To me his comments aren't that negative, I also agree with Giga's point that Davis's line of thinking has a lot to do with G'town tourney record over the recent seasons..
|
|
njhoya78
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 7,807
|
Post by njhoya78 on Feb 22, 2015 11:45:00 GMT -5
I'd give Seth Davis a break on this one. After all, when one reads the various posting on HoyaTalk, you'd think we were following a team that was fighting for a bid to the CBI. If we are that negative about a team that is 10-5 in the "second-best" conference in the nation, and 18-8 against a very difficult overall schedule, why should those not avidly following the program be any different?
|
|