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Post by grandmahoya on Feb 21, 2015 23:28:31 GMT -5
Somehow, I knew that this would be a tough game, even though we're the more talented team. I called it a trap game and that DePaul would come in here desperate for a win. Let's not forget that they beat us in the BE tournament last year. As the late Al McGuire once said, "Survive and Advance." We did, and this one is in the books. In many ways, this was one of our biggest wins of the season. With the week off, they can work on cleaning things up and get ready for a tough St. John's game.
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Post by iverwig on Feb 21, 2015 23:29:34 GMT -5
Wrong! It has nothing to do with Markel and it's not just a DSR problem it's the whole team. It doesn't have to be DSR but those were poor plays he had at the end of the game and you can't have that happen from the player who is supposed to be the leader of the team. Top scorer. Top assist man. I don't even know how many weeks of BE honor roll. Clutch free throw shooter. Huge improvement on defense. Plays a new position on this team. Went from being quiet to a vocal leader. What else do you want from him?There's no pleasing some people. He could be President of the United States and these people would still say he's not a leader. The only reason this conversation ever comes up is because of this perception that Markel was this mega leader who somehow was extremely succesfull leading the Hoyas.
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Post by Just Cos on Feb 21, 2015 23:33:06 GMT -5
MORE Leadership! Those were two bad plays towards the end of the game and it's not the first time he's done that. Being the leading scorer or top assist man doesn't mean you are consistently leading. Im going to stop posting about this because I don't want to get into me bashing DSR because he is a very good player but this team as a whole lacks a true leader come crunch time. Jabril has tried to be that player but he is not consistent or good enough. It's like another poster said this team can beat anyone or lose to anyone and a team with this type of talent Should not be that type of team. There are plenty of times this team looks lost on the floor and there have been games where the freshman look like the best players on the floor at crunch time and the more aggressive players. While the freshman are talented with two talented upperclass players like Josh and DSR they should be leading the team and taking over during those lost moments but instead they have trouble taking charge during those moments. Top scorer. Top assist man. I don't even know how many weeks of BE honor roll. Clutch free throw shooter. Huge improvement on defense. Plays a new position on this team. Went from being quiet to a vocal leader. What else do you want from him? So who in your mind was the last leader at Georgetown? Also, I noticed how you left out his FTs at the end of the game, which comes from him taking control of the rock at the end. He missed the open bunny, which I'm guessing was because he was looking for contact and not expecting to be wide open. Let me ask the same question differently, who is a leader in college basketball right now?
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 21, 2015 23:36:03 GMT -5
The highlight of the game for me was Alaa A. proclaiming DePaul to have effectively switched defenses into a zone while they were playing a man. And then a possession later using a reply to describe a box and one that appeared to also be a straight man.
Seriously, I thought our zone worked for a while but then got sloppy and we stuck with it a bit too long after they had figured it out. Offensively, it would really help if Paul started doing a few things out there. Really anything. I thought this was one of his worse games overall on that end. I keep hoping he turns a corner.
That was one of the first times I have seen this team flustered by pressure. Surprised DePaul didn't try it earlier and more often.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 21, 2015 23:37:22 GMT -5
Wrong! It has nothing to do with Markel and it's not just a DSR problem it's the whole team. It doesn't have to be DSR but those were poor plays he had at the end of the game and you can't have that happen from the player who is supposed to be the leader of the team. There's no pleasing some people. He could be President of the United States and these people would still say he's not a leader. The only reason this conversation ever comes up is because of this perception that Markel was this mega leader who somehow was extremely succesfull leading the Hoyas. So who was the last "leader" on Georgetown in your eyes? Because this whole leadership criticism was never an issue when Otto or Greg Monroe or Chris Wright or Austin Freeman was here. It mysteriously seems to have popped up now in order to bash DSR and Joshua Smith.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 21, 2015 23:39:46 GMT -5
MORE Leadership! Those were two bad plays towards the end of the game and it's not the first time he's done that. Being the leading scorer or top assist man doesn't mean you are consistently leading. Im going to stop posting about this because I don't want to get into me bashing DSR because he is a very good player but this team as a whole lacks a true leader come crunch time. Jabril has tried to be that player but he is not consistent or good enough. It's like another poster said this team can beat anyone or lose to anyone and a team with this type of talent Should not be that type of team. There are plenty of times this team looks lost on the floor and there have been games where the freshman look like the best players on the floor at crunch time and the more aggressive players. While the freshman are talented with two talented upperclass players like Josh and DSR they should be leading the team and taking over during those lost moments but instead they have trouble taking charge during those moments. So who in your mind was the last leader at Georgetown? Also, I noticed how you left out his FTs at the end of the game, which comes from him taking control of the rock at the end. He missed the open bunny, which I'm guessing was because he was looking for contact and not expecting to be wide open. Let me ask the same question differently, who is a leader in college basketball right now? I've seen DSR vocally lead a ton. He got in Ike's face at the end of the game after he passed to Peak (who had his desperation three blocked and then was forced to foul) instead of shooting. I don't know what he should be doing. He had a huge defensive block to win a game and has taken the final shot (made and missed) several times.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 21, 2015 23:39:49 GMT -5
Wrong! It has nothing to do with Markel and it's not just a DSR problem it's the whole team. It doesn't have to be DSR but those were poor plays he had at the end of the game and you can't have that happen from the player who is supposed to be the leader of the team. There's no pleasing some people. He could be President of the United States and these people would still say he's not a leader. The only reason this conversation ever comes up is because of this perception that Markel was this mega leader who somehow was extremely succesfull leading the Hoyas. The missed shot was not a "poor play"; in fact he made a great move to the baske . He ended just a little far from the hoop, could not lay it off the board, so he had to stop awkwardly and try to lay it over the front rim. Not his best shot I wiil grant you, but not a "poor play". DSR controlled the ball against the press, and ran the team in the half court. He is the leader of this team, playing out of position. He is not the top PG in the league, but he is the leader of a team headed for the NCAA's. all take that all day.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 21, 2015 23:47:07 GMT -5
Seth Davis just said what I've heard a thousand times over the past few years about Georgetown: "You get the feeling that Georgetown could beat any team or lose to any team." Completely disagree. This team has no bad losses. The past teams who lost to double digit seeds all lost to scrub teams like Rutgers and USF etc. This team has avoided all the pitfalls. We haven't lost to any bad teams. We've given some games away, but only to teams that are good enough to go out and take a win from a quality team anyway.
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Post by iverwig on Feb 21, 2015 23:47:18 GMT -5
Like I said I'm done time to move on. I am not going to continue with this I have my opinion on it and I'll leave it at that. This was never meant to bash DSR so once again I'm done.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 21, 2015 23:47:19 GMT -5
Seriously, I thought our zone worked for a while but then got sloppy and we stuck with it a bit too long after they had figured it out. Offensively, it would really help if Paul started doing a few things out there. Really anything. I thought this was one of his worse games overall on that end. I keep hoping he turns a corner. He continues to regress. I have no confidence in his shot right now and he's had some bonehead turnovers. He looked so good early in the season and even early Big East play and has really fallen off.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 22, 2015 0:00:04 GMT -5
I watched a ton of games today concluding with the Hoyas. Yes the Hoyas looked bad but I have a feeling that a lot of that had to do with the fact that we played in a cavern with no real student body support. Okay the weather had something to do with it. But I feel for the players, especially the frosh. Do you think this game would have been as close if we had say14,000 people there and maybe 2,000 students? In fact the more I think about it the angrier I'm getting. These kids deserve better from their classmates and local alumni.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 22, 2015 0:02:25 GMT -5
That's not right on Smith-Rivera. He sat for a minute or two in 2nd half. EDIT: But maybe if it is for lews than 1 minute of actual game time it shows 40. Official box now up shows him with 40 minutes. I think if he comes out they have to show him with 39, but my memory of that rule is dim at this point. www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2014-2015/022115.htmlMaybe I am wrong. I thought for sure I remember him sitting for a short time.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 22, 2015 0:02:43 GMT -5
And one more thing. The CBS mobil app is a joke. Never got a simulcast like I can with ESPN, Foxsports1. What's up with that? How can you show a game on TV and not have it on your mobil app?
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 22, 2015 0:08:13 GMT -5
Maybe I am wrong. I thought for sure I remember him sitting for a short time. The play-by-play breakout on guhoyas.com does not show him coming out at all during the game. IF it is correct, that would be the first time all season that he has played the entire game without substitution.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Feb 22, 2015 0:23:27 GMT -5
Seth Davis just said what I've heard a thousand times over the past few years about Georgetown: "You get the feeling that Georgetown could beat any team or lose to any team." Completely disagree. This team has no bad losses. The past teams who lost to double digit seeds all lost to scrub teams like Rutgers and USF etc. This team has avoided all the pitfalls. We haven't lost to any bad teams. We've given some games away, but only to teams that are good enough to go out and take a win from a quality team anyway. Agreed. This is the type of game we lose in previous years. Despite not playing great, we fended off a feisty, talented (yes DePaul has some good talent) team desperate for a win. This was a positive game in my eyes obviously because we won, but how the game played out. Also some credit to the students who came out in decent numbers today. Was pleasantly surprised by the number of people who did show despite the weather/against DePaul.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 22, 2015 0:24:13 GMT -5
Maybe I am wrong. I thought for sure I remember him sitting for a short time. The play-by-play breakout on guhoyas.com does not show him coming out at all during the game. IF it is correct, that would be the first time all season that he has played the entire game without substitution. Since that (spotting for the play-by-play) is what I used to do for the stats crew I'd say it is the most accurate. We did it in the era of Pops Thompson running waves of players in and out and it took 2 of us to get it right. III doesn't sub at the same volume so I'd wager the PBP is accurate. Not to mention that today's PBP is done on a computer, not a typewriter.
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Post by HoyaChris on Feb 22, 2015 0:32:08 GMT -5
Just checked on the DVR and DSR came out with 9:01 remain in the first half and checked back in at 7:53 .
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 22, 2015 0:35:29 GMT -5
Johnny Jones FTW!
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Post by bmartin on Feb 22, 2015 0:44:08 GMT -5
DSR definitely sat for a minute plus in the first half. The under-12 media timeout did not happen until 9:03. DSR sat until the under-8 media timeout at 7:53. I remember it because I looked for it because it was an opportunity to rest three minutes of real time in only one minute of game time.
The play by play says Copeland came in for Hopkins at 9:03 and that Smith came in for Campbell at 7:53. That obviously did not happen. Smith was in the game - he got a rebound at 8:50 and Hopkins and Smith were never both in the game or out of the game at the same time.
I think Copeland came in for DSR and Smith came in for Hopkins at 9:03 and the lineup was Campbell-Trawick-Copeland-White-Smith from 9:03 to 7:53 and then DSR came back in for Campbell.
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Post by sead43 on Feb 22, 2015 2:08:48 GMT -5
Josh was asked about the season's student turnout in the post-game press conference, with the reporter noting that this was the last home game with the students in attendance, and he diplomatically had nothing but positive things to say. JTIII concurred but added that just because the last game is during spring break does not mean the students can't come out to support the seniors.
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