Highsmith
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Post by Highsmith on Feb 7, 2015 16:46:57 GMT -5
We have so many issues right now I can't keep track. 1. We can't shoot. From anywhere. Layups, floaters, mid-range, 3's, FT.....we just can't shoot. 2. We can't guard the 3. All Nova did in the 1st half especially was shoot 3's and we left them open time after time. 3. We can't stop dribble penetration. Our guards get blown by every single time.....then it is a kick out and a 3 or a layup. 4. We are sloppy with the ball. Dribbling off our foot, throwing passes to the other team, fumbling the ball away....we've got it all. 5. The overall energy just seems lacking. I know the guys are working and trying....of course they are. However, we just seem to be a few notches below where other teams are since we beat Nova. Luckily, we played Creighton once and got by Marquette. In the other 3, we met talented teams who all looked like they wanted it more than we did. I'm sure there's more things. I am trying to stay positive, but I haven't seen much to be positive about lately. We have to get this all figured out by Seton Hall.....3 losses in a row is something we can't have. Wish we had gone zone. If they hit 3's over defenders so be it. But we lost shooters so often this game it seemed like a 3 point contest. A zone woulda at least forced Nova to execute in a slower tempo which we coulda benefited from. Woulda halted some penetration too... Agreed....that press we had late in the game may have at least changed things up earlier too. Maybe they would have beat it then and burned us, but they were doing that anyway.
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Massholya
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Post by Massholya on Feb 7, 2015 16:47:00 GMT -5
Four things: 1) how do you lose by almost 20 when the other team has 20 turnovers?
2) would be curious to know what jt3 record is from mid jan to mid feb. Seems like a yearly swoon. People figure out our offense and we've got nothing else to go to.
3) why can't we score from anywhere other than a 30 degree arc extending out from the basket. We generate almost no offense from the corners. Rarely do we hit a corner three. Are we not allowed to use the whole court?
4) why can't we dribble?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 7, 2015 16:49:39 GMT -5
The way White has played the last few games, he is not a better option for anything. Still would rather see Paul than Hopkins.. Hop at least can play defense.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 16:51:13 GMT -5
Fortunately, Seton Hall is struggling even more than the Hoyas are right now; they've lost five of their last seven. The next game will say a lot about this team; it was probably too much to think we'd go into Philly and beat Villanova a second time, but it is inarguable that this team is not playing well at all right now. With another wounded and "down" team waiting for GU in the next game, how we come out and play will be a big indicator for the remainder of the season. Had a bad feeling about this week but I think we beat SHU......
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 7, 2015 16:51:33 GMT -5
Four things: 1) how do you lose by almost 20 when the other team has 20 turnovers? 2) would be curious to know what jt3 record is from mid jan to mid feb. Seems like a yearly swoon. People figure out our offense and we've got nothing else to go to. 3) why can't we score from anywhere other than a 30 degree arc extending out from the basket. We generate almost no offense from the corners. Rarely do we hit a corner three. Are we not allowed to use the whole court? 4) why can't we dribble? We've run some other stuff we've run pick and roll, we've had some of our bigger wings post up against smaller guards. The problem is no one looks to those other wrinkles. we never pass off the pick and roll we never feed the ball to the post one it's a guard that's posting up down there. I'd say nine times out of 10 when we run a pick and roll with DSR he rejects the screen and tries to go to the basket but he's too small to get his shot off most of the time. He did it a lot in this game especially in the first half looking for contact but never got the call. He also never takes it all the way to the laneit's almost always a short jumper.
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iverwig
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Post by iverwig on Feb 7, 2015 16:53:24 GMT -5
Your point #2 is what I was about to comment about because this happens every year under JT3 at least it seems that way. The team seems out of sync and it's like they are Jekyll and Hyde one game they play well and then other games I'm left scratching my head wondering what happened. I think the leadership among the players is not there and I'm wondering what is going on big Josh he is not looking smooth at all. Four things: 1) how do you lose by almost 20 when the other team has 20 turnovers? 2) would be curious to know what jt3 record is from mid jan to mid feb. Seems like a yearly swoon. People figure out our offense and we've got nothing else to go to. 3) why can't we score from anywhere other than a 30 degree arc extending out from the basket. We generate almost no offense from the corners. Rarely do we hit a corner three. Are we not allowed to use the whole court? 4) why can't we dribble?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 16:55:13 GMT -5
Kentucky's roster is way better than ours. Nova...not by much. Disagree. I am very high on Nova-- I think they are final four material. They don't have a weakness at any position, are deep, experienced, and are coached well. I was frankly shocked we beat them at all the first game and think a split with them is a good result this year.....
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 7, 2015 16:59:21 GMT -5
Still would rather see Paul than Hopkins.. Hop at least can play defense. Still would rather see Paul more.. Paul has been terrible lately but he has much more skills & upside than Hopkins and even more important to me is that he's part of the future.. Get him and all the freshman not named Mourning as much court time as possible..
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 7, 2015 17:14:53 GMT -5
Hop at least can play defense. Still would rather see Paul more.. Paul has been terrible lately but he has much more skills & upside than Hopkins and even more important to me is that he's part of the future.. Get him and all the freshman not named Mourning as much court time as possible.. So we can't complain if we lose more games while they are learning and making mistakes, correct? I certainly agree that Paul had more skills on offense, but certainly not on defense, so when his offense stutters as it has lately, it is hard to justify giving him much time.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 7, 2015 17:20:53 GMT -5
Just curious. #10 Notre Dame lost by 30 on the road to #4 Duke today. Wonder if their board is as aflame as is ours.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Feb 7, 2015 17:25:26 GMT -5
ND is 21-4.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 7, 2015 17:30:39 GMT -5
Just curious. #10 Notre Dame lost by 30 on the road to #4 Duke today. Wonder if their board is as aflame as is ours. If G'town was #10 in the counrty with a 21-4 overall and 9-3 league record, I'm sure the board would be a lot calmer..
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 7, 2015 17:35:00 GMT -5
I am just home from a brunch date with my wife and two friends. After I made this date I realized the game was on national TV - Fox 5 and found out that there was a Vegas GU watch. I am glad I didn't cancel this brunch, because even before reading the messages on this board, I looked at the stats he and was appalled at the shooting ineptitude of the Hoyas. I think I will concentrate on following the men's and women's track teams, which have a chance to do something big on the national level this indoor season. I will not bother to read anymore on this thread; I don't want to get any more depressed than the stats show.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 7, 2015 17:35:04 GMT -5
2) would be curious to know what jt3 record is from mid jan to mid feb. Seems like a yearly swoon. People figure out our offense and we've got nothing else to go to. It is far from a yearly swoon. Here are the won-loss records for HT3's Georgetown teams for the period January 15 through February 15 for each season. 2005-- 4-3 2006-- 6-2 2007-- 7-1 2008-- 8-0 2009-- 1-7 2010-- 5-4 2011-- 8-0 2012-- 6-2 2013-- 8-1 2014-- 4-5 2015-- 4-3 That's an overall winning percentage of .711 for that 31 day period. Only two seasons under .500.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 7, 2015 17:36:44 GMT -5
Just curious. #10 Notre Dame lost by 30 on the road to #4 Duke today. Wonder if their board is as aflame as is ours. If G'town was #10 in the counrty with a 21-4 overall and 9-3 league record, I'm sure the board would be a lot calmer.. That is exactly my point. We are not as good. Why do the majority of the posters expect better performance from what is, very clearly, a flawed team?
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 7, 2015 17:39:41 GMT -5
Still would rather see Paul more.. Paul has been terrible lately but he has much more skills & upside than Hopkins and even more important to me is that he's part of the future.. Get him and all the freshman not named Mourning as much court time as possible.. So we can't complain if we lose more games while they are learning and making mistakes, correct? I certainly agree that Paul had more skills on offense, but certainly not on defense, so when his offense stutters as it has lately, it is hard to justify giving him much time. Does anyone on the team make more mistakes than Hopkins? Hopkins is the best defender on the team but honestly that's not saying much.. To me it's a simple solution, stop playing Hopkins at the 4 spot.. Let Ike & Paul take those minutes..
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 7, 2015 17:42:50 GMT -5
If G'town was #10 in the counrty with a 21-4 overall and 9-3 league record, I'm sure the board would be a lot calmer.. That is exactly my point. We are not as good. Why do the majority of the posters expect better performance from what is, very clearly, a flawed team? Because we were picked second in the Big East preseason and have lost 3 of the last 5, including home games vs. Xavier and Providence. We're staring at somewhere between 4th and 6th in the conference with a team that appears to be regressing. It's not just today's game people are upset about, it's the disappointment in what appears to be another underachieving team.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 17:44:29 GMT -5
If G'town was #10 in the counrty with a 21-4 overall and 9-3 league record, I'm sure the board would be a lot calmer.. That is exactly my point. We are not as good. Why do the majority of the posters expect better performance from what is, very clearly, a flawed team? The faster people realize this team is around #30-35 in the country and will end up up as a 7 or 8 seed the better. It puts the losses into context and makes our wins more special. The nice thing is that I believe this team has the talent to win a first round game as a 7 seed, which is more than our top seeded teams have accomplished in recent years...
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 7, 2015 17:48:26 GMT -5
If G'town was #10 in the counrty with a 21-4 overall and 9-3 league record, I'm sure the board would be a lot calmer.. That is exactly my point. We are not as good. Why do the majority of the posters expect better performance from what is, very clearly, a flawed team? By the way, have you watched Notre Dame at all this year? Georgetown has a far more talented roster than the Irish. We are "not as good" because Mike Brey is getting the most out of that roster, not because Notre Dame has more talent than the Hoyas do. That, and the fact that the Irish have played a much easier schedule.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 7, 2015 17:55:01 GMT -5
If G'town was #10 in the counrty with a 21-4 overall and 9-3 league record, I'm sure the board would be a lot calmer.. That is exactly my point. We are not as good. Why do the majority of the posters expect better performance from what is, very clearly, a flawed team? You expected the team to play this poorly today NJ? The great majority of us were very high on this team after the Marquette game, I honestly didn't see this plunge coming..
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