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Post by hoyajinx on Feb 7, 2015 16:23:03 GMT -5
On the bright side, we moved up from 22 to 21 in the RPI just by finishing the game (even after the Kansas loss today).
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 7, 2015 16:23:40 GMT -5
Well, that was tough to watch. Never in it and really hard to tell what we can take from this game. I mean, we generated plenty of open shots throughout the game, we just got blocked early at the rim (4 blocks on first 7 possessions) and missed a ton of open jumpers. We missed 16 3s in a row! Defensively, other than leaving some shooters open, it was fine for me. We stepped in the lanes, grabbed some steals, but they were on fire when the game was still somewhat being contested.
It was almost as if the Hoyas knew this revenge beat down was coming and accepted their fate early in this game. We were almost as bad as Notre Dame today.
As bad as this week was, and PC game was a much bigger loss than this one, the Hoyas need to refocus and find a way to win on Tuesday. The reality is if they get a road win against a mid-level BE team, they are right back to where they deserve to be (somewhere just outside the top 25)
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Post by prhoya on Feb 7, 2015 16:24:53 GMT -5
That's nonsense. We are playing like absolute crap. I can deal with losing, but this is just lazy garbage. It's not nonsense-- when the #7 team in the country shows up and plays their A game at home they are not going to lose. In fact, they are probably going to win by double digits.... We didn't play well but Nova had a vote in that.... How is turning the ball over 20 times playing their A game?
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 7, 2015 16:24:54 GMT -5
They did to us exactly what we did to them a couple of weeks ago. They looked bad on both ends of the floor and we played our A game. Ugly loss but they got their revenge and I would have been shocked had we won it.
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Post by Just Cos on Feb 7, 2015 16:26:31 GMT -5
Take away DSR from the perimeter and get Josh frustrated and we look like a very different team offensively. I had also hoped that by this point our defense would be clicking better than it is. Players still seem to get confused and lose their man
Unfortunate that we couldn't take advantage of Nova's turnovers in the second half. Although they did a good job of getting back on defense and disrupting shots...and if they didn't we missed a ton of high percentage shots.
Tough to win on the road against a high quality opponent when you can't make an open shot.
Hats off to Nova as their defense was better than I expected.
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Post by justsaying on Feb 7, 2015 16:29:05 GMT -5
It would be good to progress beyond limited offensive options before the first round of the ncaa otherwise teams will concentrate on containing dsr and hope we struggle
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 16:29:06 GMT -5
It's not nonsense-- when the #7 team in the country shows up and plays their A game at home they are not going to lose. In fact, they are probably going to win by double digits.... We didn't play well but Nova had a vote in that.... How is turning the ball over 20 times playing their A game? Half of those Nova turnovers came in the last 10 minutes when the game was long over
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 16:31:08 GMT -5
It's not nonsense-- when the #7 team in the country shows up and plays their A game at home they are not going to lose. In fact, they are probably going to win by double digits.... We didn't play well but Nova had a vote in that.... If you don't want to admit we played like absolute garbage in this game, and we can't get mad about that, so be it. As others said, Nova turned the ball over 20 times and still kicked the crap out of us. Oh we played terrible, but in the grand scheme of things i just can't be outraged by today. Especially after the first game we had to play a very good game on the road to win today. What difference does it make if we play middling or Edited-poor? We were gonna get the L either way with the way Nova played and how the game was called. I think most sober-minded fans had this game as an L when the schedule came out.... What really frustrates me are our losses versus Provvy. I'll save my frustration for those games....
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Post by guru on Feb 7, 2015 16:32:40 GMT -5
This team is worse than it was in November
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Post by Highsmith on Feb 7, 2015 16:33:56 GMT -5
We have so many issues right now I can't keep track.
1. We can't shoot. From anywhere. Layups, floaters, mid-range, 3's, FT.....we just can't shoot.
2. We can't guard the 3. All Nova did in the 1st half especially was shoot 3's and we left them open time after time.
3. We can't stop dribble penetration. Our guards get blown by every single time.....then it is a kick out and a 3 or a layup.
4. We are sloppy with the ball. Dribbling off our foot, throwing passes to the other team, fumbling the ball away....we've got it all.
5. The overall energy just seems lacking. I know the guys are working and trying....of course they are. However, we just seem to be a few notches below where other teams are since we beat Nova. Luckily, we played Creighton once and got by Marquette. In the other 3, we met talented teams who all looked like they wanted it more than we did.
I'm sure there's more things. I am trying to stay positive, but I haven't seen much to be positive about lately. We have to get this all figured out by Seton Hall.....3 losses in a row is something we can't have.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 7, 2015 16:35:49 GMT -5
We have so many issues right now I can't keep track. 1. We can't shoot. From anywhere. Layups, floaters, mid-range, 3's, FT.....we just can't shoot. 2. We can't guard the 3. All Nova did in the 1st half especially was shoot 3's and we left them open time after time. 3. We can't stop dribble penetration. Our guards get blown by every single time.....then it is a kick out and a 3 or a layup. 4. We are sloppy with the ball. Dribbling off our foot, throwing passes to the other team, fumbling the ball away....we've got it all. 5. The overall energy just seems lacking. I know the guys are working and trying....of course they are. However, we just seem to be a few notches below where other teams are since we beat Nova. Luckily, we played Creighton once and got by Marquette. In the other 3, we met talented teams who all looked like they wanted it more than we did. I'm sure there's more things. I am trying to stay positive, but I haven't seen much to be positive about lately. We have to get this all figured out by Seton Hall.....3 losses in a row is something we can't have. Agreed.
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Post by justsaying on Feb 7, 2015 16:38:25 GMT -5
Anytime you take the court a loss is waiting but what to look for is improvement, development, attitude, agrressiveness, the will to adapt, and store what you learn today and try to use it to youradvantage tomorrow. These are some of the things you look for from the last loss to today. And then see which of the categories you see a plus. otherwise another loss is waiting for you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 16:38:54 GMT -5
It's not nonsense-- when the #7 team in the country shows up and plays their A game at home they are not going to lose. In fact, they are probably going to win by double digits.... We didn't play well but Nova had a vote in that.... They played well on offense but we missed so many open shots. So many open shots. I actually didn't feel like we had that many open shots. Everything felt contested to me. We missed a lot of shots but they seemed to be in traffic at the rim or from weird positions on the perimeter. I thought we were in a a weird funk where we either passed up open shots -- mostly DSR -- and got ourselves stuck in possessions, or we rushed shots to try to make-up for an open 3 that we had just given up (Peak). Very few controlled possessions where we actually got a good shot we wanted. The main culprits for us were the turnovers today. I thought we were fine early and we were actually ok in the second half. There was a 12 minute period in the first half where we were very careless with the ball and let Nova get on the break to build their lead. During that period we gave up waaaaaaay too many open 3's. That right there was the game. And to make this point for the millionth time, but I don't know how we let Josh Hart and Jenkins slip from out backyard... Imagine trading those two for Domingo and Cameron....
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Post by Highsmith on Feb 7, 2015 16:39:12 GMT -5
If you don't want to admit we played like absolute garbage in this game, and we can't get mad about that, so be it. As others said, Nova turned the ball over 20 times and still kicked the crap out of us. Oh we played terrible, but in the grand scheme of things i just can't be outraged by today. Especially after the first game we had to play a very good game on the road to win today. What difference does it make if we play middling or Edited-poor? We were gonna get the L either way with the way Nova played and how the game was called. I think most sober-minded fans had this game as an L when the schedule came out.... What really frustrates me are our losses versus Provvy. I'll save my frustration for those games.... For me, it is cumulative. All they talked about was how frustrated Nova was that we punched them in the mouth in DC and they never responded. Where is OUR team's frustration for that? Xavier punched us in the mouth...we never responded in either game. Providence punched us in the mouth in the 2nd half....we never responded. Nova punched us in the mouth today.....we never responded. If we had come out in the 2nd half and at least got it under 10 for awhile....then you could say we responded and just ran out of gas. Nova gave us plenty of opportunities to get back in this with all the TOs, but we still could do nothing. I didn't expect them to come back and win. I just wanted some sign that this team was angry about their recent play and wanted to make some sort of statement about it. I guess we need to wait for Seton Hall and hope it happens there.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 7, 2015 16:42:23 GMT -5
Fortunately, Seton Hall is struggling even more than the Hoyas are right now; they've lost five of their last seven. The next game will say a lot about this team; it was probably too much to think we'd go into Philly and beat Villanova a second time, but it is inarguable that this team is not playing well at all right now. With another wounded and "down" team waiting for GU in the next game, how we come out and play will be a big indicator for the remainder of the season.
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 7, 2015 16:42:39 GMT -5
Josh Hart has laid as many eggs as he has had good games and a log jam at the 3 doesn't get you White and Copeland later on down the line not because they'd have been afraid of competition, it's just a log jam and typically you're not going to recruit heavily at a position that's stacked. Things happen for a reason.
We're struggling right now no question, but I can put my finger on why. We had leads against Providence both times and let them slip away there's no explanation for the Xavier games except that with their size they are just a bad matchup. I do think that we are lacking some confidence in our shooting right now and end up passing up good shots on offense trying to get something better or easier but it just ends up being more difficult or we turn it over. i'm not really sure what the answer is because ultimately you're not going to win games shooting so poorly from the field.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 16:43:03 GMT -5
We have so many issues right now I can't keep track. 1. We can't shoot. From anywhere. Layups, floaters, mid-range, 3's, FT.....we just can't shoot. 2. We can't guard the 3. All Nova did in the 1st half especially was shoot 3's and we left them open time after time. 3. We can't stop dribble penetration. Our guards get blown by every single time.....then it is a kick out and a 3 or a layup. 4. We are sloppy with the ball. Dribbling off our foot, throwing passes to the other team, fumbling the ball away....we've got it all. 5. The overall energy just seems lacking. I know the guys are working and trying....of course they are. However, we just seem to be a few notches below where other teams are since we beat Nova. Luckily, we played Creighton once and got by Marquette. In the other 3, we met talented teams who all looked like they wanted it more than we did. I'm sure there's more things. I am trying to stay positive, but I haven't seen much to be positive about lately. We have to get this all figured out by Seton Hall.....3 losses in a row is something we can't have. Wish we had gone zone. If they hit 3's over defenders so be it. But we lost shooters so often this game it seemed like a 3 point contest. A zone woulda at least forced Nova to execute in a slower tempo which we coulda benefited from. Woulda halted some penetration too...
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 7, 2015 16:43:59 GMT -5
This team is worse than it was in November I was in the Bahamas for the Atlantis games. We joked that it was the beginning of the White-Copeland era, since both showed their potential. I thought with experience, both would get better, as would the team as a whole. Instead, we've gotten worse. It was fools gold.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 16:45:34 GMT -5
Josh Hart has laid as many eggs as he has had good games and a log jam at the 3 doesn't get you White and Copeland later on down the line not because they'd have been afraid of competition, it's just a log jam and typically you're not going to recruit heavily at a position that's stacked. Things happen for a reason. I'm not saying Hart is some superstar, but he's the kind of guy you can go to off the bench when DSR is having a bad game. He changes the complexion of your attack. Hart gets loose balls, turnovers, fast break points, garbage plays. Makes something out of nothing and can shoot from outside too. He's not the answer by himself but he gives you some multi-dimensionality that Cameron doesnt offer at all....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 16:46:51 GMT -5
This team is worse than it was in November I was in the Bahamas for the Atlantis games. We joked that it was the beginning of the White-Copeland era, since both showed their potential. I thought with experience, both would get better, as would the team as a whole. Instead, we've gotten worse. It was fools gold. They seem tighter. I don't want to start some whole conversation on the offense but I'm not sold this system makes the best use of their skillsets....
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