hoyalaw33
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Post by hoyalaw33 on Jun 7, 2017 22:57:12 GMT -5
If McDermott jumps ship to OSU then lets get on some of those shooting guards he managed to pull if they back out of their commitments.
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Post by seaweed on Jun 7, 2017 23:49:06 GMT -5
No poaching other's recruits, respect league rules.
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Post by trillesthoya on Jun 8, 2017 0:07:42 GMT -5
No poaching other's recruits, respect league rules. I'd normally agree with you, but if rumors are true it seems Creighton was trying their hardest to poach Waters after we released him from his LOI. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 8, 2017 13:14:25 GMT -5
No poaching other's recruits, respect league rules. I'd normally agree with you, but if rumors are true it seems Creighton was trying their hardest to poach Waters after we released him from his LOI. It's not a matter of trying; if it really is against the rules it doesn't matter how hard they try. In any case, McDermott isn't leaving Creighton, so this is a moot point. |
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Post by njhoya78 on Jun 10, 2017 19:01:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 21:30:36 GMT -5
Yes please.... Both would have 3 years left. Jarreau averaged about 10 a game as a frosh and shot 45 percent from the floor... Not 100 percent but think the Hall only has one ship available fwiw |
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Post by s4hoyas on Jun 10, 2017 22:30:02 GMT -5
Do we know any more about either of them, or their timing for a decision...are they a package deal...what positions do they play...
productivity/ratings, etc.
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Post by s4hoyas on Jun 10, 2017 23:10:58 GMT -5
Found some info to answer my own question...Jarreau was listed as a 6'5/180 4 star PG rated the # 38 overall prospect in '16...from La...Gresham a 6'7/210 PF
a 3 star prospect out of Notre Dame Prep/ Fitzburg, Mass. (could originally be from La.)...don't know how they ended up at UMass, but both had many Div 1
offers from schools like Fla, Miami, LSU, and 10-12 others of similar quality...without knowing much else yet, it seems that they could represent a nice early start to '18...
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Post by Thomas on Jun 10, 2017 23:28:26 GMT -5
I believe Jarreau and Gresham were high school and/or AAU teammates in New Orleans, and were a package deal to UMass. Derek Kellogg temporarily saved his job by getting both of them to sign with UMass over a bunch of BCS schools last year, but UMass was still a bad team, D.Kellogg got fired and both guys decided to transfer. I didn't realize that Jarreau was 6-5, he seemed like an undersized shooting guard when I watched him last year at UMass.
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Post by trillesthoya on Jun 10, 2017 23:50:19 GMT -5
Been watching some clips of Gresham and Jarreau. Impressive stuff, really like this as a possibility. Few thoughts...
Jarreau:
- really long for a guard
- not sure if he's a natural pg or sg but he sets other players up well, 4.7 apg attest to that
- he's a little slow for his position but he gets to the basket really well and finishes
- his shooting numbers are concerning- less than twenty percent from three, just over forty otherwise
- 0.9 bpg, not something to laugh at for a guard. Good defensive instincts.
Gresham:
- Only played about 10 mpg at umass, so sample size is limited
- very bad ft shooter, 25 percent
- excellent shot blocker, 0.9 bpg, and when you're only playing a quarter of the game that speaks for itself
- no outside shot, but effective from the court (70% fg%)
- missed the beginning of the season waiting for ncaa clearance
About a month ago, neither player was mentioning us as an option for their transfer. Their original final four was UConn, Auburn, SHU and Creighton but somehow we came into the mix late. Don't know what to make of that, but we probably offer the most playing time wise as they will see anywhere else. I hope we bring them to campus soon and really sell it to them, they could be a great get for us.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 1:42:36 GMT -5
Want...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 5:23:12 GMT -5
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jun 11, 2017 8:58:33 GMT -5
I think you have to ask yourself is Jarreau that good that it's worth taking a chance on Gresham.
Jarreau seems pretty dynamic in terms of getting to the bucket and finishing. Has good handle, stays in control. Good size at 6'5". Funky delivery on his jump shot, so not surprising he shot so poorly from 3. They played Providence this year, he was basically a non-factor in that game. Certainly has the potential and obviously Ewing thinks he can be a good fit for the system. Certainly won't solve our need for shooters though.
Gresham is a real wild card. He is 6'8" - 6'9" but he would have to play Center, he has a very limited offensive game. He looks like a natural shot blocker, has really good instincts on that end, so definitely something we are missing on the current roster. He got more run at the end of the season for UMASS. Personally I don't think he becomes more than an effective back up center, his defense will always get him on the court, but his offense is going to need a lot of work.
So then again does Jarreau bring enough for the risk. Sodom (who I am very high on) is definitely a project and then if this kid is as well, you are hoping you hit it big with one of these 3 Star recruits at Center. I would love to know if we are getting Stewart, kid can flat out shoot. I think he would be the best shooter on the team day 1 (maybe not saying much) but it Stewart a 1 or a 2? Maybe him and Jarreau can be combo gruards on the court together.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 12:10:23 GMT -5
Imo Yes he is and personally I don't think a good defender that adds depth to your roster is a risky add... By the time Jarreau steps on the court again he'll probably be around a 15-5-5 and he has a year to work on his shooting. Those guys don't come around to often.
LSU offered them in HS so probably an in through Kirby. Looks like it could be us vs Creighton.....
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Post by dense on Jun 11, 2017 13:18:14 GMT -5
His shot looks fine in terms of form. doesnt bend his knees enough which is why i guess it looks funky. I like how he can handle and make plays and is explosive. we have 0 of those types.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 0:50:26 GMT -5
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Post by sleepy on Jun 12, 2017 6:43:39 GMT -5
Imo Yes he is and personally I don't think a good defender that adds depth to your roster is a risky add... By the time Jarreau steps on the court again he'll probably be around a 15-5-5 and he has a year to work on his shooting. Those guys don't come around to often. LSU offered them in HS so probably an in through Kirby. Looks like it could be us vs Creighton..... Is Jarreau going to be significantly better than what we are most likely to get in the class of 18 or will we be looking to recruit over him in 18 and beyond. It appears that we have turned our recruiting focus to 18 and 19 by taking these 2 as a package it seems like we are settling. Your thoughts Yaboy. |
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 12, 2017 7:53:08 GMT -5
Imo Yes he is and personally I don't think a good defender that adds depth to your roster is a risky add... By the time Jarreau steps on the court again he'll probably be around a 15-5-5 and he has a year to work on his shooting. Those guys don't come around to often. LSU offered them in HS so probably an in through Kirby. Looks like it could be us vs Creighton..... Is Jarreau going to be significantly better than what we are most likely to get in the class of 18 or will we be looking to recruit over him in 18 and beyond. It appears that we have turned our recruiting focus to 18 and 19 by taking these 2 as a package it seems like we are settling. Your thoughts Yaboy. Just out of curiosity, why does the recruitment of Jarreau seem like settling to you? Jarreau is considered one of the top transfers this year. I haven't seen much tape on him, but Jarreau's high school rating and freshman year stats are pretty similar to LJ Peak at the same point in his career (though A10 vs Big East and Jarreau had more assists and rebounds). As Yaboy mentioned, with a year off to work on his shooting he could be playing at a very high level by 2018 with a potential of three years on campus. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 8:03:42 GMT -5
Imo Yes he is and personally I don't think a good defender that adds depth to your roster is a risky add... By the time Jarreau steps on the court again he'll probably be around a 15-5-5 and he has a year to work on his shooting. Those guys don't come around to often. LSU offered them in HS so probably an in through Kirby. Looks like it could be us vs Creighton..... Is Jarreau going to be significantly better than what we are most likely to get in the class of 18 or will we be looking to recruit over him in 18 and beyond. It appears that we have turned our recruiting focus to 18 and 19 by taking these 2 as a package it seems like we are settling. Your thoughts Yaboy. I'm no Yaboy, but... He's better than anyone who's even mildly interested in us in '18 right now at our position of greatest need and least success, recruiting-wise. A top 60 kid who produced (12th nationally in Assist%, 10ppg, 44FG%) as a FR... and he'd be playing here at age 20. This move would be a no-brainer based on talent. If our roster otherwise remained the same, I'd rather have these guys next year than Parker Stewart and SRD (grad transfer big?) beginning this fall. If a spot opened to allow us to take Stewart, too... even better. We'll start winning when we get ++ skills at multiple positions, not just accumulating 3/4 star guys. Jarreau looks like he could provide that at PG. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 11:31:57 GMT -5
Imo Yes he is and personally I don't think a good defender that adds depth to your roster is a risky add... By the time Jarreau steps on the court again he'll probably be around a 15-5-5 and he has a year to work on his shooting. Those guys don't come around to often. LSU offered them in HS so probably an in through Kirby. Looks like it could be us vs Creighton..... Is Jarreau going to be significantly better than what we are most likely to get in the class of 18 or will we be looking to recruit over him in 18 and beyond. It appears that we have turned our recruiting focus to 18 and 19 by taking these 2 as a package it seems like we are settling. Your thoughts Yaboy. Other posters pretty much gave my answer but just thinking out loud, it's weird to see the reaction to recruits here sometimes. Fans should be more excited for this kid than they were for Naz Carter. Carter is averaging 12ppg playing EYBL against kids a class younger than him. Jarreau averaged basically 10ppp 4.5 assts and 3.5 rebounds in the A10. There's no comparison. I would have definitely liked to add Naz but currently this kid is a level up... Both will be Soph's 2018-2019 Season. The only thing I wish is we had 3 open ships to add them both and Parker. I think Creighton leads though... |
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