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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 5:30:40 GMT -5
To change the subject without changing the thread. Anyone else starting to think having Creighton in the BE is not such a good idea? How will this team compete when they run out of coaches sons? I noticed One of their best players is the assistant coaches son. I think the BE brings a hell of a lot more to them than they bring to the BE. I'm afraid that they could become perennial doormats. I don't think Kyle Korver's dad was on staff and they landed him. Look, Creighton is having a down year, but they're going to be back for sure. As other's have said, they've had a ton of NCAA success in the past decade and being in the Big East will actually only help them recruit at a higher level. There are a lot of things to worry about but the team that finished second in the Big East regular season and BET last year aint one of them. Also, we've won one game at home against them this year, so let's not draw any conclusions yet. If they drum us in Omaha on the return trip, should we still let them be in the conference? There's a lot of time left in this season for them to surprise-- they may not have the horses but I think they'll win their share of games, especially at home. And again, they'll be a competitive team in the future for sure. And don't forget, Creighton has some really great teams in other sports like soccer. Finally, as other's have mentioned, they have an arena and a fan base that Gtown could only wish for. This is a solid program we should be very pleased to have in the conference. BTW, anyone notice McDermott and JT3's quick chat after the game? I get the sense he's one of JT3's favorite opposing coaches in the league. I think Ed Cooley and Jay Wright are up there too. Wouldn't be surprised to learn JT3 hated Mack, Willard, or Lavin though.... (I'm sure he'll hate Wojo soon enough)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 5:45:42 GMT -5
Gonna need a few of these before we get to that point. Still pretty undisciplined on defense, to be expected from a freshman. And we are kinda small at guard with Tre and DSR. But he can be a big contributor with his quickness and an outside shot. Looking for more big things from Mr. Campbell. He was mm-mm-good today. With regard to the size in the backcourt, I wonder if Tre initially got more minutes because he's a better matchup with Chatman who, unlike most of the other guys, looks smaller in person. I loved what Tre did today as much as the next guy but for all his quickness he got beat into the lane consistently by Chatman which resulted in a string of trips to the foul line or drive and dishes to the Creighton big man for an easy layup or dunk. As other posters have mentioned, Tre also missed a couple rotations that resulted in open 3's that thankfully didn't drop. Tre is a menace on defense cause he picks up his man in the full court and his scoring was a welcome addition, but, like all of the freshman who have had great games at times, there's still a lot for him to learn and improve......
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 4, 2015 6:10:39 GMT -5
With regard to the size in the backcourt, I wonder if Tre initially got more minutes because he's a better matchup with Chatman who, unlike most of the other guys, looks smaller in person. I loved what Tre did today as much as the next guy but for all his quickness he got beat into the lane consistently by Chatman which resulted in a string of trips to the foul line or drive and dishes to the Creighton big man for an easy layup or dunk. As other posters have mentioned, Tre also missed a couple rotations that resulted in open 3's that thankfully didn't drop. Tre is a menace on defense cause he picks up his man in the full court and his scoring was a welcome addition, but, like all of the freshman who have had great games at times, there's still a lot for him to learn and improve...... I agree, but nevertheless, Tre gets today's game ball. He gave the team a much needed jolt and really got the offense going.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 4, 2015 8:30:46 GMT -5
Tre had a great game. Proved far more confident than I expected and proved me wrong on his shot. However, this team goes only as far as DSR can take it. I agree with the announcers yesterday that there are going to be games when the Hoyas are actually a better team with Smith on the bench much of the time. There are not going to be any games where the Hoyas are better without DSR. If Tre's performance can be replicated, the future for DSR could be significantly better. He can return to the role of shooting guard and allow Tre, Peak and Trawcik to handle the point.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 4, 2015 8:54:21 GMT -5
With regard to the size in the backcourt, I wonder if Tre initially got more minutes because he's a better matchup with Chatman who, unlike most of the other guys, looks smaller in person. I loved what Tre did today as much as the next guy but for all his quickness he got beat into the lane consistently by Chatman which resulted in a string of trips to the foul line or drive and dishes to the Creighton big man for an easy layup or dunk. As other posters have mentioned, Tre also missed a couple rotations that resulted in open 3's that thankfully didn't drop. Tre is a menace on defense cause he picks up his man in the full court and his scoring was a welcome addition, but, like all of the freshman who have had great games at times, there's still a lot for him to learn and improve...... Pretty much agree with all of that. Coach has interesting decisions on his hands from game to game. I'd be curious as to how many different lineups he had on the floor yesterday. You can see how he'd love to just go offense-defense all night if he could! That said, having so many options is not a bad thing. We just need everyone to be comfortable in their role.
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Post by aristides on Jan 4, 2015 9:02:42 GMT -5
Tre had a great game. Proved far more confident than I expected and proved me wrong on his shot. However, this team goes only as far as DSR can take it. I agree with the announcers yesterday that there are going to be games when the Hoyas are actually a better team with Smith on the bench much of the time. There are not going to be any games where the Hoyas are better without DSR. If Tre's performance can be replicated, the future for DSR could be significantly better. He can return to the role of shooting guard and allow Tre, Peak and Trawcik to handle the point. I don't think DSR is ever returning to the shooting guard position. I think both he and JTIII are fully invested in his future at the point. And though he's had some bumps with the transition, he's proven to me at least that not only can he handle the role but he will be successful as a point guard. If Campbell unexpectedly did emerge for significant minutes, I suspect they would split the point guard duties... something equivalent to the Sapp/Wallace years. And I'm not sure returning DSR to more of an "off-point" role would be the panacea for him that some posters are arguing for. After all, Campbell played significant minutes today and DSR responded with 5 points.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 4, 2015 9:10:21 GMT -5
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 4, 2015 9:21:46 GMT -5
We did a much better job in the second half, but its still a problem, and let's remember that we haven't played a conference team yet that has a really talented penetrating guard. But we will! I'm surprised we haven't seen more zone. We know JTIII (unlike, say Coach K) isn't morally opposed to it since we've used it so often in other years. It seemed to work reasonably well last game. There must be something he sees in practice with it...
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Post by This Just In on Jan 4, 2015 9:22:32 GMT -5
Final Thoughts:
1.The Freshman trio of Peak, Campbell and White showed up and complimented the team leading 16pts of Josh Smith. At least for this game the future has arrived.
2. The Hoyas showed yet again that they win games when DSR is off.
3. Tre Campbell gets the game ball for helping turn the momentum by going for 13pt and 3/4 3pt FG's in 26 mins. off the bench
4. Bench players not named Aaron Bowen, got out of their scoring slump and contributed 27pts of the 76 Georgetown points
5. JTIII continues to make 2nd half starting lineup adjustments which contributed to the Hoyas blow out win and dominance after half-time
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 4, 2015 9:36:06 GMT -5
One complaint and this goes back many years. Why don't our bigs when they get the ball at the top of the key ever look to shoot? Tonight Hopkins and Smith could easily have taken a wide open shot from the foul line but only looked to pass. There were at least 3 instances where they were alone there and had a simple free throw. Granted Hopkins can't shoot but geez at least work on that shot. I think Smith can easily make 50% of those. Depends on on the bigs; I know Henry used to shoot that, and I think Greg; Maybe Hibbert. Remember early on Hopkins used to try to do that all the time but would miss more often than not; hasn't tried it much last 2 years. That being said, that would be a good thing.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 4, 2015 9:36:57 GMT -5
To change the subject without changing the thread. Anyone else starting to think having Creighton in the BE is not such a good idea? How will this team compete when they run out of coaches sons? I noticed One of their best players is the assistant coaches son. I think the BE brings a hell of a lot more to them than they bring to the BE. I'm afraid that they could become perennial doormats. I don't think Kyle Korver's dad was on staff and they landed him. Look, Creighton is having a down year, but they're going to be back for sure. As other's have said, they've had a ton of NCAA success in the past decade and being in the Big East will actually only help them recruit at a higher level. There are a lot of things to worry about but the team that finished second in the Big East regular season and BET last year aint one of them. Also, we've won one game at home against them this year, so let's not draw any conclusions yet. If they drum us in Omaha on the return trip, should we still let them be in the conference? There's a lot of time left in this season for them to surprise-- they may not have the horses but I think they'll win their share of games, especially at home. And again, they'll be a competitive team in the future for sure. And don't forget, Creighton has some really great teams in other sports like soccer. Finally, as other's have mentioned, they have an arena and a fan base that Gtown could only wish for. This is a solid program we should be very pleased to have in the conference. BTW, anyone notice McDermott and JT3's quick chat after the game? I get the sense he's one of JT3's favorite opposing coaches in the league. I think Ed Cooley and Jay Wright are up there too. Wouldn't be surprised to learn JT3 hated Mack, Willard, or Lavin though.... (I'm sure he'll hate Wojo soon enough) Remember, Creighton's been good for some time, haven't they been in the tourney a bunch since 2000?
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 4, 2015 9:43:27 GMT -5
...finally, DSR needs to stop playing and get on a multi-game roll.... Cameron too....
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 4, 2015 10:17:53 GMT -5
To change the subject without changing the thread. Anyone else starting to think having Creighton in the BE is not such a good idea? How will this team compete when they run out of coaches sons? I noticed One of their best players is the assistant coaches son. I think the BE brings a hell of a lot more to them than they bring to the BE. I'm afraid that they could become perennial doormats. He's not the son of one of Creighton's assistant coaches he's the son of one of the Washington Wizard's assistant Coaches.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 4, 2015 10:56:30 GMT -5
One complaint and this goes back many years. Why don't our bigs when they get the ball at the top of the key ever look to shoot? Tonight Hopkins and Smith could easily have taken a wide open shot from the foul line but only looked to pass. There were at least 3 instances where they were alone there and had a simple free throw. Granted Hopkins can't shoot but geez at least work on that shot. I think Smith can easily make 50% of those. We have not had the personnel for that since Henry Sims left, which is a same since it has always been an open shot in our offense. I would like to see Josh try that shot, but he is so good at getting what he wants on the low block where he probably shoots 75%, I can understand why III does not want him to take it. Ideally, a big that is less of a post up presence like Hop should be able to hit that shot. I think it will return next season, when we are forced to play a more athletic guy in that position.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 4, 2015 11:08:06 GMT -5
To change the subject without changing the thread. Anyone else starting to think having Creighton in the BE is not such a good idea? How will this team compete when they run out of coaches sons? I noticed One of their best players is the assistant coaches son. I think the BE brings a hell of a lot more to them than they bring to the BE. I'm afraid that they could become perennial doormats. There is no reason to fear Creighton will become a doormat. First, the school's institutional support is about the best in the Big East and they run a very well respected athletic department. Second, they have a strong recent string of success in hoops and by joining the Big East, with the extra money and visibility, the school should easily improve many aspects of its program. Third, their home court is the best in the BE, period. 18K strong every game and they win there, even this year they knocked off Oklahoma and they will beat many BE teams there this season. A quick glance at Rivals shows they have a signed Top 50 6'10" center for next season and a 4 star in this prior class. With the system they run, even if they only recruit 3 star kids that fit, they will win at a high level. They were also the flagship of the conference last season with Doug McDermott leading the team, so there is also that.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 4, 2015 11:25:49 GMT -5
One complaint and this goes back many years. Why don't our bigs when they get the ball at the top of the key ever look to shoot? Tonight Hopkins and Smith could easily have taken a wide open shot from the foul line but only looked to pass. There were at least 3 instances where they were alone there and had a simple free throw. Granted Hopkins can't shoot but geez at least work on that shot. I think Smith can easily make 50% of those. We have not had the personnel for that since Henry Sims left, which is a same since it has always been an open shot in our offense. I would like to see Josh try that shot, but he is so good at getting what he wants on the low block where he probably shoots 75%, I can understand why III does not want him to take it. Ideally, a big that is less of a post up presence like Hop should be able to hit that shot. I think it will return next season, when we are forced to play a more athletic guy in that position. Though one can never tell until kids get here and see action, I believe that shot is a part of Govan's arsenal.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 4, 2015 11:46:22 GMT -5
We have not had the personnel for that since Henry Sims left, which is a same since it has always been an open shot in our offense. I would like to see Josh try that shot, but he is so good at getting what he wants on the low block where he probably shoots 75%, I can understand why III does not want him to take it. Ideally, a big that is less of a post up presence like Hop should be able to hit that shot. I think it will return next season, when we are forced to play a more athletic guy in that position. Though one can never tell until kids get here and see action, I believe that shot is a part of Govan's arsenal. And Derrickson's! What our big players have not shown is using a hook shot consistently. We've seen Josh and Hops do it, but not often. Jessie can do it with both hands.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 4, 2015 11:48:42 GMT -5
I gotta think that when reviewing game film the coaches don't point out how open our bigs are and suggest they shoot more. Even if they miss the fact that they are willing to shoot should force defenses to react and open up some cutters.
Regarding Creighton I am convinced that they probably won't become doormats. They do have a great fan base and an excellent coach. I guess its just the east coast bigot in me that makes me feel this way. Milwaukee and Cinicnnatti and Indianapolis were bad enough but Omaha?
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 4, 2015 12:18:01 GMT -5
Question: Does the Athletic Department think all Georgetown fans are huge? I assume not. So why was every giveaway t-shirt in my area an XL? They were nice shirts, but I didn't bother to take one because I knew I could never wear it. This seems to happen with most t-shirt giveaways (the one exception in my experience being one of the gray-out games...I think the Cuse game last year).
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 4, 2015 12:26:06 GMT -5
I gotta think that when reviewing game film the coaches don't point out how open our bigs are and suggest they shoot more. Even if they miss the fact that they are willing to shoot should force defenses to react and open up some cutters. Regarding Creighton I am convinced that they probably won't become doormats. They do have a great fan base and an excellent coach. I guess its just the east coast bigot in me that makes me feel this way. Milwaukee and Cinicnnatti and Indianapolis were bad enough but Omaha? I always thought that the midwest began once you crossed the Walt Whitman Bridge from New Jersey into south Philly.
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