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Post by professorhoya on Jan 3, 2015 19:08:18 GMT -5
There are one or two posters who, every time the game doesn't go our way, inevitably go off about how III is stubborn, won't change his mind, etc. Just once I'd like to see those posters give s little credit. Some of them have good analysis but the constant III bashing gets to be a bit much. He who shall not be named and his minion are pretty upset with this victory and are probably outside right now swinging their golf club at a tree in disgust.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 3, 2015 19:20:19 GMT -5
The freshmen's defense still bothers me and I am hoping it clicks for them soon as I've seen improvement. That being said, they make a huge difference when they are contributing and hopefully they can become more consistent and stay confident. When they are hesitant or playing poorly we look disturbingly similar to last year's team with a 2 man offense. I am happy there seemed to be a clear effort from the beginning to keep guys other than DSR and Smith attacking offensively. No one got discouraged and it paid off in the second half. I'll give credit to III on that one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 19:33:11 GMT -5
Might have took an L today if it weren’t for Tre Campbell… He was the difference Hoyas were definitely in the danger zone when Tre hit that first jumper off the screen. I think Creighton was up 5 but Hoyas looked very very stagnant on offense and nobody could hit from the perimeter. I was worried Creighton was going to break it open and to into halftime up double digits since they were holding their lead steady at 5-6 points. Tre's shooting opened up the court and changed the dynamics of the game. Most importantly, I thought he gave the other guys confidence and gave us some much needed momentum. We perked up on defense considerably and Creighton pretty much went cold from there on out.....
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Post by BurgerMadness on Jan 3, 2015 19:54:56 GMT -5
I hope some of the anti-JT3 comments will stop for awhile. Thought he showed the kind of confidence in his players (leaving Smith in with 2 fouls), flexibility (2nd half starting line-up), and decision making (pulling Hop after 2 mins) befitting a top tier D1 coach.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 3, 2015 20:19:29 GMT -5
The freshmen's defense still bothers me and I am hoping it clicks for them soon as I've seen improvement. That being said, they make a huge difference when they are contributing and hopefully they can become more consistent and stay confident. When they are hesitant or playing poorly we look disturbingly similar to last year's team with a 2 man offense. I am happy there seemed to be a clear effort from the beginning to keep guys other than DSR and Smith attacking offensively. No one got discouraged and it paid off in the second half. I'll give credit to III on that one. Agreed. Still way too many open 3 looks. But, it's looking more and more that we are just going to have to live with their defense to get their offense.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 3, 2015 20:31:19 GMT -5
Maybe bring him off the bench from now on? He played well coming off the bench in the 2nd half versus Indiana as well Nope. I'm ok with it either way but I do think the starting line-up needs to change.. I get the "it's not who starts but who finishes" theory but the team isn't as good when Smith & Hopkins are on the court together..
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 3, 2015 20:31:20 GMT -5
I hope some of the anti-JT3 comments will stop for awhile. They will stop for a while Burger... all the way until the next loss. That's just how it is on this board.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 3, 2015 20:45:52 GMT -5
The freshmen's defense still bothers me and I am hoping it clicks for them soon as I've seen improvement. That being said, they make a huge difference when they are contributing and hopefully they can become more consistent and stay confident. When they are hesitant or playing poorly we look disturbingly similar to last year's team with a 2 man offense. I am happy there seemed to be a clear effort from the beginning to keep guys other than DSR and Smith attacking offensively. No one got discouraged and it paid off in the second half. I'll give credit to III on that one. Agreed. Still way too many open 3 looks. Not in the second half.
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 3, 2015 20:57:23 GMT -5
I hope some of the anti-JT3 comments will stop for awhile. Thought he showed the kind of confidence in his players (leaving Smith in with 2 fouls), flexibility (2nd half starting line-up), and decision making (pulling Hop after 2 mins) befitting a top tier D1 coach. We know he's been doing this the entire season, right?
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Post by tashoya on Jan 3, 2015 21:16:56 GMT -5
That was awesome! Thanks to blueandgray's generosity, I got to see Tre Campbell's coming out party from a great vantage point. Huge thank you to b&g!
Joshua is an absolute beast. I was laughing after Joshua converted on one of the triple teams and looked at the guy sitting to my left and he was laughing too. Nice play from PW throughout and, while Jabril didn't do much offensively early on, he was working his butt off on D. As for Hayes' minutes, he focuses way too much on help D when someone nears the lane and forgets to pick his man back up leaving a big wide open usually in great position. That shouldn't be particularly difficult to fix but he lucked out a bit that he didn't get burned by it today. Regardless, when he's not helping, he's doing a nice job of trying to not allow his man get good offensive position. Cameron, while his shot doesn't look great, more than any other Hoya (at least as far as I noticed), looks to box out a man when a shot goes up. And that dunk by Bril at the end was sweet. The only downside is that I couldn't rewind it live. Well done Hoyas! Slow start but really nice finish. Let's keep it rolling!
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 3, 2015 21:25:33 GMT -5
Agreed. Still way too many open 3 looks. Not in the second half. Agree to disagree. I still think Creighton had a lot of good looks in the second half. The difference is they missed. Eapecially in the key spots when the game was still very close. I will say that we have been playing teams that have a particular focus on getting 3 looks. But, we still need to work on that aspect . Was very impressed with the win, though. I think Creighton is a good team and beating anyone like that by 15 says a lot.
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Post by wnyhoya on Jan 3, 2015 21:29:09 GMT -5
Comes down to what I said after the Xavier game: free throw shooting and 3 point shooting. We shot 74% from the line (not great but better) and 42% from 3 which is about as good as it gets. Add in the fact Josh didn't force too much and get silly TO's, and that's the recipe for success. Now we just need to strive for consistency. Good win and how about Tre! Very happy for him...hopefully the spark to a great season for him. Hoya Saxa
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Post by deacon on Jan 3, 2015 21:35:27 GMT -5
Agreed. Still way too many open 3 looks. Not in the second half. Not as many as there were in the first half, but still way too many. A lot had to do with Campbell being comfortable with the rotations. If he's going to do that and be a threat from 3, he should be starting.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 3, 2015 21:43:00 GMT -5
Agree to disagree. I still think Creighton had a lot of good looks in the second half. The difference is they missed. Eapecially in the key spots when the game was still very close. I will say that we have been playing teams that have a particular focus on getting 3 looks. But, we still need to work on that aspect . Was very impressed with the win, though. I think Creighton is a good team and beating anyone like that by 15 says a lot. Agree, Jook, they got some. Just not nearly as many as in the first half, or so it seemed while I was watching it. Could be my eyes seeing what I want to see.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 3, 2015 21:46:37 GMT -5
A few thoughts, trying not to repeat what has already been observed:
(1) It's hard to know if this was an intentional strategy or not, but our first six field goal attempts (including Hopkins' charge) were taken by six different players. Given the sort of team that we have this year, I like that (well, with the possible exception of Mikael). Obviously you run the risk of going overboard with balance, too. To that end, Josh scored our first three points over a six possession span and I think those came on the first and sixth possession, which were the only times we even looked for him in a scoring position. Again, if spreading things around to start the game was intentional, I like it. But I understand the desire to feed the big man for the times he's in there, too. (2) Nine players with 10+ minutes today. It's hard to do much better than that in terms of balance. And I really like Hopkins and Jabril both in the 15-20 range. If the other guys can play well enough so that Jabril and Hopkins can be in that range, we're going to be in great shape.
(3) And the tenth player -- Hayes -- had eight minutes of meaningful action. Can't we just agree on the following with Hayes: Just because he doesn't do anything demonstrably harmful with the time he gets isn't reason to want him to play more. That's not in the least bit a shot at him. I was very pleased with what he gave us given the situation. He could have turned it over repeatedly, missed multiple defensive assignments, got abused on the block, etc. None of that happened. So, it's exactly what you want your third-string center to give you in that spot. He's a doctor responding to the scene of an emergency: First do no harm. And he didn't. He obviously isn't going to do anything at all on offense (and has the good sense to realize it), but he didn't turn the ball over and competently moved the ball appropriately. On defense, he's going to play decent positional defense on the ball (though he gives up very good post position too easily and doesn't have the strength to push anyone out of there). He's a decent defensive rebounder, and is active on the boards, though he gave up an offensive rebound and had a ball stolen from him after he corralled one. So, he did his job. Which is great. But it's not like I saw anything that made me want him to take minutes from anyone else. Oh, and I don't want to see more of him out there just for the sake of seeing more of him or "to give him a chance to improve" or to give him minutes so he's ready for later in the game or the season. It didn't look like he needed a minute earlier in the half to get his feet wet to prepare for those eight minutes he got. He didn't grow into the game. He was fine at the start and fine at the end. He is what he is.
(4) This relates to (1), but I don't know that I completely liked DSR's non-assertiveness today. It worked, because the supporting cast made shots, and so it's easy to say "he made sure everyone was involved, and that's a good thing." But if those guys don't make shots, the game may get out of hand before he even attempts to look for his shot. He had six attempts today! I concede that maybe the game went from "Creighton is about to pull away" to "Georgetown is pulling away" so fast that this isn't even a fair comment.
Miscellany: Boy, for a team that hasn't seen (unless I've missed it) any half-court 1-3-1 zone, we looked pretty collected against it. Got a great look for Josh inside (that he walked on) and didn't come close to turning it over. Kudos to the staff and the players for handling that well........I loved the possession where Josh quickly kicked it out for the three attempt against the 2-3 zone and would love to see more of that from him....I'll just point out for the "we need to run" crowd that just like basically every game this season, we tried to rush it up the floor off of every turnover and defensive rebound; Creighton did a great job getting back.....we did a much better job not over-rotating off the screen/rolls later in the game (some of the over-rotation is trying to protect Josh from having to recover quickly, but I don't think we need to protect him since he's pretty good recovering and only got beat once), and that was the key to limiting the wide open threes....but as with any volume three-point shooting team, the biggest key to defending them is simply hoping that they start to miss, because they're going to get their share of looks, no matter how disciplined the defense.
Last but certainly not least, if Paul and Tre are going to shoot like that from the perimeter and the mid-range, well, the sky is the limit.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 3, 2015 21:58:36 GMT -5
Not as many as there were in the first half, but still way too many. A lot had to do with Campbell being comfortable with the rotations. If he's going to do that and be a threat from 3, he should be starting. This was the first time in a while that he shot it well. I've thought repeatedly to myself that Tre is a reliable jumper away from being really valuable. 4-19 from 3 coming in, 3-4 today. Certainly didn't expect those long range bombs he dropped on Creighton. I just really like his speed and aggressiveness when he's in the game. Actually deac, I'm indifferent as to whether he starts. He's not going to shoot 3-4 from 3 every game, but if he's going to give us close to what we got today, let him play. Give him some of Jabril's mins.
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Post by HoyasaxaHoya on Jan 3, 2015 22:00:30 GMT -5
First post on this board... My sister and I are both big hoya fans since the 80's..been viewing hoyatalk for years...especially love following recruiting...glad to see this team bounce back from a tough Xavier game and inconsistant first half vs. Creighton
Good to see that Jt3 gave Tre a chance..nice to see a guard with a little bounce to his game both offensively and defensively. Even tough DSR numbers weren't great...having him off the ball is better overall for this team..
Freshman need to continue to get mintues..College hoops is all about guard play...hopefully Tre will continue to get big minutes..
In terms of backing off Jt3.. ..no doubt love JT3 as a person and a leader...but not a big fan of his offensive system...bottom line until he gets post season success again..people will continue to doubt his system.
bottom line good win for this team.
... HOYA SAXA HOYA!
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 3, 2015 22:01:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the reason this was a weird game to me is because we aren't used to winning games when options 1-2 have foul trouble or don't score. We were losing 21-15 with josh having 3 fouls and DSR having 0 points, I think. From that point on, we killed them. That's great to see.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 3, 2015 22:06:31 GMT -5
Welcome to the board as a poster, HoyasaxaHoya.
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Post by swhoya on Jan 3, 2015 22:20:20 GMT -5
First post on this board... My sister and I are both big hoya fans since the 80's..been viewing hoyatalk for years...especially love following recruiting...glad to see this team bounce back from a tough Xavier game and inconsistant first half vs. Creighton
Good to see that Jt3 gave Tre a chance..nice to see a guard with a little bounce to his game both offensively and defensively. Even tough DSR numbers weren't great...having him off the ball is better overall for this team..
Freshman need to continue to get mintues..College hoops is all about guard play...hopefully Tre will continue to get big minutes..
In terms of backing off Jt3.. ..no doubt love JT3 as a person and a leader...but not a big fan of his offensive system...bottom line until he gets post season success again..people will continue to doubt his system.
bottom line good win for this team.
... HOYA SAXA HOYA!
Nice first post. Nothing wrong with having criticisms or negative opinions about III. The problem is those that feel the need to throw out the same criticism every single time. I find some of their analysis very insightful, but it's hard to read them anymore. It's like reading a legitimate GOP criticism...and inevitably getting Bengazi. It's just too much. I KID!
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