GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 1, 2015 10:21:41 GMT -5
I agree with most of the analysis here but not the handwringing. This was a road game against a decent (at worst) team. Any team outside the absolute elite is going to lose their share of those. We are a freshmen-reliant team, and its only natural they might struggle in their first true road game. I feel no differently about this team than I did 24 hours ago. There are going to be more hiccups along the way. On to Saturday.... I should clarify that its not gloom and doom for me. A big part of the reason I think 3-6 on the road is realistic is because the BE is just very good. That said, I think we really need to go 8-1, if not 9-0 at home. That was basically what Xavier did last year and they got in and we didn't. Saturday is big game in that regard. Creighton is sort of like Marquette last year, and they swept us. Can't happen. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 1, 2015 10:30:01 GMT -5
JT3 teams make the same mistakes and have the same deficiencies season after season after season. This one so far doesn't look very different from the rest of them. He is what he is as a coach at this point - his team's rarely adjust in-game, endure massive offensive droughts each and every game and never ever ever have figured out how to guard any three point shooters, especially when one gets hot. This team has good talent but I doubt it will reach its full potential with this coaching staff. I like him personally and know he is here as long as he pleases but the inadequacies are consistent and hard to ignore. We are looking at the bubble come March. We actually have made some great in-game adjustments this year - Florida and Indiana come quickly to mind. So you are wrong about that. We get it, you don't like JTIII. We have heard it a few dozen times before. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion - but just realize that he is pretty highly respected as a coach by other coaches and basketball experts. So there is that. |
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Post by guru on Jan 1, 2015 10:42:20 GMT -5
JT3 teams make the same mistakes and have the same deficiencies season after season after season. This one so far doesn't look very different from the rest of them. He is what he is as a coach at this point - his team's rarely adjust in-game, endure massive offensive droughts each and every game and never ever ever have figured out how to guard any three point shooters, especially when one gets hot. This team has good talent but I doubt it will reach its full potential with this coaching staff. I like him personally and know he is here as long as he pleases but the inadequacies are consistent and hard to ignore. We are looking at the bubble come March. We actually have made some great in-game adjustments this year - Florida and Indiana come quickly to mind. So you are wrong about that. We get it, you don't like JTIII. We have heard it a few dozen times before. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion - but just realize that he is pretty highly respected as a coach by other coaches and basketball experts. So there is that. I actually like JT3 very much. Love the way he represents the school. Am I not allowed to point out that his teams traditionally have the exact same deficiencies? They showed up last night. |
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 1, 2015 10:44:08 GMT -5
If it hasn't been stated already, home teams 5-0 yesterday. So we basically learned it's tough to win on the road in the Big East. Which is to say, we pretty much learned nothing.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 1, 2015 11:04:48 GMT -5
Can't believe this hasnt been mentioned, but we used a lot of press last night! It didn't result in any direct turnovers but a few were close. It'll be an effective option, especially when DSR and Josh are on the bench.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 1, 2015 11:44:29 GMT -5
JT3 ... his team's rarely adjust in-game. Already forgot the second half against Indiana less than a week ago, eh? |
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 1, 2015 11:46:08 GMT -5
Can't believe this hasnt been mentioned, but we used a lot of press last night! It didn't result in any direct turnovers but a few were close. It'll be an effective option, especially when DSR and Josh are on the bench. Your eyes deceived you - JT3 teams rarely adjust in-game.  |
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Post by IDenj on Jan 1, 2015 11:48:06 GMT -5
This's game shows we still have a ways to go talent wise.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 1, 2015 11:52:00 GMT -5
We actually have made some great in-game adjustments this year - Florida and Indiana come quickly to mind. So you are wrong about that. We get it, you don't like JTIII. We have heard it a few dozen times before. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion - but just realize that he is pretty highly respected as a coach by other coaches and basketball experts. So there is that. I actually like JT3 very much. Love the way he represents the school. Am I not allowed to point out that his teams traditionally have the exact same deficiencies? They showed up last night. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, I already said that. But it does not automatically mean you are right. And am I not entitled to disagree with you? As I pointed out, we have made some excellent game adjustments this year, so one of your 3 points was dead wrong. And as another poster pointed out, our 3 point defense has been very highly ranked recently, so that makes two. We were poor in a number of areas last night, for a variety of reasons. Claiming that this team will "never reach its potential under this staff" seems overly demeaning to me,directed to a coach you "like very much". |
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 1, 2015 11:54:27 GMT -5
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Post by guru on Jan 1, 2015 12:01:08 GMT -5
I actually like JT3 very much. Love the way he represents the school. Am I not allowed to point out that his teams traditionally have the exact same deficiencies? They showed up last night. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, I already said that. But it does not automatically mean you are right. And am I not entitled to disagree with you? As I pointed out, we have made some excellent game adjustments this year, so one of your 3 points was dead wrong. And as another poster pointed out, our 3 point defense has been very highly ranked recently, so that makes two. We were poor in a number of areas last night, for a variety of reasons. Claiming that this team will "never reach its potential under this staff" seems overly demeaning to me,directed to a coach you "like very much". Why so self-righteously defensive? Where did I imply you couldn't disagree with my opinion? What a childish response. As to your points - do you disagree that we struggle to adjust when a team gets hot from 3 point range? It is, has been and will be, our Achilles heel on defense. The examples are too numerous to list. And whether or not you believe that I like JT3 or not is of no consequence to me. I am quite certain my Hoya fan bona fides surpass yours so I feel no need to prove my like for the guy. That said, he has specific deficiencies as a coach that have not improved over the years. That's my opinion. Clearly not yours. |
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 1, 2015 12:12:47 GMT -5
I agree with most of the analysis here but not the handwringing. This was a road game against a decent (at worst) team. Any team outside the absolute elite is going to lose their share of those. We are a freshmen-reliant team, and its only natural they might struggle in their first true road game. I feel no differently about this team than I did 24 hours ago. There are going to be more hiccups along the way. On to Saturday.... I should clarify that its not gloom and doom for me. A big part of the reason I think 3-6 on the road is realistic is because the BE is just very good. That said, I think we really need to go 8-1, if not 9-0 at home. That was basically what Xavier did last year and they got in and we didn't. Saturday is big game in that regard. Creighton is sort of like Marquette last year, and they swept us. Can't happen. In a year like this, when the team obviously not elite, the goal in conference should be 0.500 on the road and 7-2 or better at home. If we can be 7-2 at home and 4-5 on the road then we will be at 11-7 which is where I think this team deserves to be and probably gets us in the NCAAs. What I have learned so far this season is the BE is better than I expected (Butler and SHU are much better), our freshman are all players but not instant impact type of guys and we have a pretty sizeable issue shooting the ball (big problem since III wants to play inside out). Sweeping DePaul and MU is a must and finding another team that we can get the sweep against because of match-ups (perhaps SJU, Creighton?) will give us some wiggle room. We 100% need to avoid being swept by teams like the 2014 SHU and MU squads. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 1, 2015 12:18:29 GMT -5
Watching the game last night I did not see a lack of hustle that others mentioned. I did see lack of patience on offense, as noted by the coach: www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/xavier-rings-in-new-year-with-tough-win-010115Two veterans (Hopkins and Bowen) whose offensive games rely totally on playing under control and within themselves, didn't have patience. Not a new story for them and certainly something the coaching staff stresses to them. As talented as the 4 freshmen in the rotation are, they also didn't have patience and part of it undoubtedly is not having enough experience in the offense to realize that the 3rd and 4th options in a possession are where the best shots are going to be found. Watching this game film will allow the coaches to point that out. Having been at the Indiana game, it would have been easy to get caught up in the high of that perfomance and over-expect for results at Cintas. I was not surprised at the rabid crowd there last night (it IS Cincinnati after all, what else is there to do on New Year's Eve?) and thought this team's chance of winning was 50-50 at best. Xavier fed off their crowd and executed very well. They hit all sorts of tough shots against what, for the most part, was very good defense. Josh Smith, who adapted extremely well to the challenge the refs and Indiana presented, did a poor job of adapting last night. As was mentioned, Lurch did a great job of pushing him off the block and Smith did a lousy job of realizing it and looking for a kickout. He has to do better. Not all that worried about this team at the moment - this was their first true road challenge in a very difficult place to win. They're tough enough to learn and improve. |
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Post by drquigley on Jan 1, 2015 12:26:08 GMT -5
I think if you read between the lines, the biggest concern of all of us who follow this blog, is that the this game brought back the aroma of last year's squad. I posted before the game that we would win this game because, thanks to our freshmen, we are a much different-and better-team. But now I wonder. Slow down the game, don't turn the ball over, and make us play half court offense and we look remarkably similar to last year's team. I will reserve judgement since this was a really hostile environment but I will be at Saturday's game and I hope I see more of the Indiana/Wisconsin team than this group. Let's face it, we saw this movie before and unless something changes with the script, we know how it ends.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 1, 2015 12:47:57 GMT -5
Oh, and Karl Hess. I hope I don't have to see that name too often this year.
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Post by Just Cos on Jan 1, 2015 12:48:00 GMT -5
The team had a poor showing but I'm going to wait to throw us on the bubble or NIT. Two games at home and then at Providence will give us a better idea of what we have and what we can expect...but even then I've seen enough jekyll and hyde Big east seasons to know how foolish it can be to make any predictions.
As for comments about coaching, talent, and bashing any one player then I'm not sure you are being honest with what we have seen this year. Last night's loss is on the entire team.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 1, 2015 12:53:07 GMT -5
Of course you are entitled to your opinion, I already said that. But it does not automatically mean you are right. And am I not entitled to disagree with you? As I pointed out, we have made some excellent game adjustments this year, so one of your 3 points was dead wrong. And as another poster pointed out, our 3 point defense has been very highly ranked recently, so that makes two. We were poor in a number of areas last night, for a variety of reasons. Claiming that this team will "never reach its potential under this staff" seems overly demeaning to me,directed to a coach you "like very much". Why so self-righteously defensive? Where did I imply you couldn't disagree with my opinion? What a childish response. As to your points - do you disagree that we struggle to adjust when a team gets hot from 3 point range? It is, has been and will be, our Achilles heel on defense. The examples are too numerous to list. And whether or not you believe that I like JT3 or not is of no consequence to me. I am quite certain my Hoya fan bona fides surpass yours so I feel no need to prove my like for the guy. That said, he has specific deficiencies as a coach that have not improved over the years. That's my opinion. Clearly not yours. Seems you are the defensive one. I disagreed with your initial opinion - which was posited as established fact more than opinion - yet specifically noted that you are , of course, entitled to your own opinion. Your immediate response was "Am I not entitled to post my opinion". Made no sense. And talk about self-righteous - how the hell do you know your "Hoya fan bona fides" (wow, not too pretentious!) "surpass mine". 35 years as a fan, well over a hundred games in person, booster contributions, NCAA games - you don't know a thing about me. I don't want or need to continue a personal dispute. Your initial post certainly referenced a couple of problems we have had this year - and at times in the past. But I don't think they are as perpetual as you do. My opinion. And when you outright presume that the staff will never be able to develop these young men to their potential, you are in essence saying we do not have a very good head coach or staff. I disagreed. Strongly. My opinion |
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Post by IDenj on Jan 1, 2015 13:07:36 GMT -5
The team had a poor showing but I'm going to wait to throw us on the bubble or NIT. Two games at home and then at Providence will give us a better idea of what we have and what we can expect...but even then I've seen enough jekyll and hyde Big east seasons to know how foolish it can be to make any predictions. As for comments about coaching, talent, and bashing any one player then I'm not sure you are being honest with what we have seen this year. Last night's loss is on the entire team. Hoyas have one talented player they can rely or count on at this point. DSR. And even he has been hit it miss. Going forward will others be able to tind that consistency? |
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 1, 2015 13:09:43 GMT -5
We simply have to anticipate better and plan to outsmart our opponents more. Xavier basically came into this game with a script on how to take us down. They stuck to the script to the letter and the result was they took us down. We have got to learn to mix things up! We cannot just rely on Josh Smith and DSR when everybody in the building knows we are looking at just these two play makers. Plain and simple, we were outsmarted last night. I would love to see JT III actually switching things up more and saying, "Look here fellas, they a are going to really come after Josh and DSR. So we are going to rely on Peak or White more tonight."
I believe we have the pieces. We need to have the faith to stretch the defense.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 1, 2015 13:17:50 GMT -5
It was odd that into the second half , Peak was 2-2 from the field.
Shocking lack of shots give what was going on out there. Hopkins had more attempts blocked on one possession.
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