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Post by bkhoya on Aug 12, 2015 12:20:09 GMT -5
Speedy Claxton was 6'1. I've stood up next to him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 12:23:33 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 12, 2015 12:28:52 GMT -5
At that size the shoe adds 1.25 inches so would put his with shoes height at 5-11 and 3/4. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 12:39:17 GMT -5
At that size the shoe adds 1.25 inches so would put his with shoes height at 5-11 and 3/4. ? Well it would have to add 3 inches to make him 6'1.. He's not 6'1 according to his pre draft measurement, Just a very good sub 6ft guard. |
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 12, 2015 12:41:26 GMT -5
Taylor shot 43.9 from 3 last season in over 150 attempts.. His career # is 42% This discussion wouldn't be happening if Bracey shot it this well.. Oh vey... The discussion is going in circles. Once one of your arguments against gets proven false you guys morph to another argument. Well what I meant was etc... If you guys don't like the kid leave the thread alone. It's at 18 pages and most of it's BS. I don't like Powell, I avoid his thread to avoid situations like this. I think comparing Bracey to Taylor is comparing apples to oranges.. Taylor is a very high level shooter @ his height, I think most would admit the ability to shoot the ball makes up for a lot of ills.. I posted in the 2016 thread that if Bracey was a knockdown shooter I'd feel better about it.. I get your point though so I'll bow out as well.. |
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 12, 2015 12:42:35 GMT -5
At that size the shoe adds 1.25 inches so would put his with shoes height at 5-11 and 3/4. ? Well it would have to add 3 inches to make him 6'1.. He's not 6'1 according to his pre draft measurement, Just a very good sub 6ft guard. I never said he was 6-1. Clayton is basically six feet not 5-9 as was stated in the initial post that bk was responding to |
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 12, 2015 12:46:06 GMT -5
Oh vey... The discussion is going in circles. Once one of your arguments against gets proven false you guys morph to another argument. Well what I meant was etc... If you guys don't like the kid leave the thread alone. It's at 18 pages and most of it's BS. I don't like Powell, I avoid his thread to avoid situations like this. I think comparing Bracey to Taylor is comparing apples to oranges.. Taylor is a very high level shooter @ his height, I think most would admit the ability to shoot the ball makes up for a lot of ills.. I posted in the 2016 thread that if Bracey was a knockdown shooter I'd feel better about it.. I get your point though so I'll bow out as well.. Yeah I loved Damon Stoudemaire and he was 5-10. But he could shoot the lights out and had a high arc. I think you basically have to be that caliber shooter to be a weapon to compensate for the height unless you have insane ups like spud Webb or Nate Robinson. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 12:56:42 GMT -5
? Well it would have to add 3 inches to make him 6'1.. He's not 6'1 according to his pre draft measurement, Just a very good sub 6ft guard. I never said he was 6-1. Clayton is basically six feet not 5-9 as was stated in the initial post that bk was responding to Is there some big difference between 6 ft and 5'11?? I mean.. cmon man You guys add a inch for kids you like and take away one for kids you don't. Reach is more important than height anyways you don't shoot or block shots with your head. Not only is Claxton short but he has 6'0 reach also... He's small and extremely effective |
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Aug 12, 2015 13:01:42 GMT -5
No, I probably would not take a Speedy Claxton out of high school (or Mugsy or Spud or Shawnta Rogers or Andre Barrett), given the inherent risk associated with their heights.
I can understand the frustration in not being able to identify many quality 5'10" Big East PGs over the past decade. It's hard to find many examples.
To me, we have got to be going after bigger, physical guards like Brown and Jones, and saying bye-bye to Day Day. Jagan was a nice start for the 2016 class.
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 12, 2015 13:09:07 GMT -5
I never said he was 6-1. Clayton is basically six feet not 5-9 as was stated in the initial post that bk was responding to Is there some big difference between 6 ft and 5'11?? I mean.. cmon man You guys add a inch for kids you like and take away one for kids you don't. Reach is more important than height anyways you don't shoot or block shots with your head. Not only is Claxton short but he has 6'0 reach also... He's small and extremely effective As opposed to rounding down 2.75 inches to 5-9. Both sides are doing it. Wingspan is important but unless you have that information on Bracey there's really no means to evaluate that measureable. |
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Post by rockhoya on Aug 12, 2015 13:24:05 GMT -5
Oh vey... The discussion is going in circles. Once one of your arguments against gets proven false you guys morph to another argument. Well what I meant was etc... If you guys don't like the kid leave the thread alone. It's at 18 pages and most of it's BS. I don't like Powell, I avoid his thread to avoid situations like this. I think comparing Bracey to Taylor is comparing apples to oranges.. Taylor is a very high level shooter @ his height, I think most would admit the ability to shoot the ball makes up for a lot of ills.. I posted in the 2016 thread that if Bracey was a knockdown shooter I'd feel better about it.. I get your point though so I'll bow out as well.. The point is shooting isn't the only way to close the performance gap |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 13:26:33 GMT -5
Is there some big difference between 6 ft and 5'11?? I mean.. cmon man You guys add a inch for kids you like and take away one for kids you don't. Reach is more important than height anyways you don't shoot or block shots with your head. Not only is Claxton short but he has 6'0 reach also... He's small and extremely effective As opposed to rounding down 2.75 inches to 5-9. Both sides are doing it. Wingspan is important but unless you have that information on Bracey there's really no means to evaluate that measureable. Professor have you taken time to watch the kid play in a Game? What is your evaluation based off specifically? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 13:32:37 GMT -5
Oh vey... The discussion is going in circles. Once one of your arguments against gets proven false you guys morph to another argument. Well what I meant was etc... If you guys don't like the kid leave the thread alone. It's at 18 pages and most of it's BS. I don't like Powell, I avoid his thread to avoid situations like this. I think comparing Bracey to Taylor is comparing apples to oranges.. Taylor is a very high level shooter @ his height, I think most would admit the ability to shoot the ball makes up for a lot of ills.. I posted in the 2016 thread that if Bracey was a knockdown shooter I'd feel better about it.. I get your point though so I'll bow out as well.. I mean I think it's obvious you value shooting over most everything else. For instance you would play Marcus at center because he can shoot, and would take Powell who is 6ft at SG because he can shoot.. Both would be more undersized for their position than Daquan.. I'm sure you would take Cotton to at present state but he developed that tool in college not before it.. |
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Post by bkhoya on Aug 12, 2015 14:14:17 GMT -5
Ok if his listed height is 5'11 and he definitely appears closer to 6'1 in shoes than 5'9 to me but I haven't seen him in person in years. My point was he never seemed really small to me. 5'9 seems short to me. I don't really care about the size of Bracey personally. It's more important to me that he can shoot. Because it appears that Mosley isn't a shooter yet, then I think the next guard they bring in must be a shooter.
It also appears that Bruce Brown isn't a shooter either, so it sounds like he appears to be just perhaps a better version of Mosley, but one who isn't a lock to commit to Georgetown. So I like that they locked down Mosley first, now they need a shooter like Curtis Jones of Myles Powell.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 12, 2015 14:47:52 GMT -5
In terms of Bracey, I think people are not seeing that when, if he comes here, he probably is a back up for 2 Years unless he is a special player. This is an important point. I don't think anybody thinks that Bracey is going to displace Campbell as the main PG (and since Bracey cannot play other positions, he's not going to play elsewhere), so it's highly unlikely Bracey will play a ton until his junior season. And, by then, we will have recruited other guys, too, so he might not ever be a starter. I don't know enough about Bracey to say yes or no to his recruitment, but if we take him, I don't think it's something to be upset about. Similarly, if we don't get him I also don't think it's something to get upset about. For what it's worth, a bunch of people on here were super bullish about transfer Anthony Collins from USF, even though he was also pretty small (6'1, 175 pounds) and basically had a career full of offensive inefficiency. I realize Collins was a bit taller, I just think it's funny how people pile onto Bracey but wanted a similar player under other circumstances. (And yes, I realize some of that desire arose when it looked like DSR was leaving, but some wanted him even after that.) |
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 12, 2015 15:18:37 GMT -5
In terms of Bracey, I think people are not seeing that when, if he comes here, he probably is a back up for 2 Years unless he is a special player. This is an important point. I don't think anybody thinks that Bracey is going to displace Campbell as the main PG (and since Bracey cannot play other positions, he's not going to play elsewhere), so it's highly unlikely Bracey will play a ton until his junior season. And, by then, we will have recruited other guys, too, so he might not ever be a starter. I don't know enough about Bracey to say yes or no to his recruitment, but if we take him, I don't think it's something to be upset about. Similarly, if we don't get him I also don't think it's something to get upset about. For what it's worth, a bunch of people on here were super bullish about transfer Anthony Collins from USF, even though he was also pretty small (6'1, 175 pounds) and basically had a career full of offensive inefficiency. I realize Collins was a bit taller, I just think it's funny how people pile onto Bracey but wanted a similar player under other circumstances. (And yes, I realize some of that desire arose when it looked like DSR was leaving, but some wanted him even after that.) Actually, I didn't like him either. For the reasons you mentioned. Go back and look at the Collins thread. |
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 12, 2015 15:19:39 GMT -5
As opposed to rounding down 2.75 inches to 5-9. Both sides are doing it. Wingspan is important but unless you have that information on Bracey there's really no means to evaluate that measureable. Professor have you taken time to watch the kid play in a Game? What is your evaluation based off specifically? I'll have a write up later just based on what I see. Maybe tonight or later in the week. |
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Post by beenaround on Aug 12, 2015 17:14:38 GMT -5
This hand wringing over whether he is 5 9, 5 11, 6 ft. Whether he can defend the three. How he will fit in with Tre , Kaleb, Jagan Moseley etc. My question is this....what are the chances he ever ends up a Hoya? Someone said earlier, this thread can surely make your head explode. All we need next is for TigerJ to show up claiming him for Memphis.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 17:49:45 GMT -5
Professor have you taken time to watch the kid play in a Game? What is your evaluation based off specifically? I'll have a write up later just based on what I see. Maybe tonight or later in the week. It's not necessary. It appears your argument against is a philosophical and not based on what you've seen the kid do and not do. That's fine but you taking time to look at said player after you've already basically made up your mind based on his measurables isn't really going to add much other than you confirming that Bias... |
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 12, 2015 21:23:02 GMT -5
I'll have a write up later just based on what I see. Maybe tonight or later in the week. It's not necessary. It appears your argument against is a philosophical and not based on what you've seen the kid do and not do. That's fine but you taking time to look at said player after you've already basically made up your mind based on his measurables isn't really going to add much other than you confirming that Bias... I've already seen what he can do. You got me excited on his footage then when I looked at it I wasn't impressed. Wasn't as fast as I expected him to be, and he has a low release point on his outside shot and attacks at the basket which I think at the next level may get blocked or alters his shot. Also he doesn't have a quick release which is essential for a short player. That's what Damon Stoudemaire and Chris Jackson (who was often matched up with 6-5 shooting guards) had. Those were my initial impressions of him from watching him a couple months ago but I'll take a look again and have a more detailed breakdown. I just see a lot of what ifs that might not translate to the next level of high major competition on top of him being undersized. (Which as I said initially philophicaly I prefer length, height, athleticism and at least one elite level skill at each position). It can happen at a lot of position a power forward who is an inch or two too short and ends up being a tweeter or a wing like Domingo who just can't produce at the next level of competition. |
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