Jaren Jackson Jr '17 Michigan State -> NBA

[rockhoya]

Jun 13, 2016 9:43:56 GMT -5 lucky said:

My opinion on this matter is this, if Coach can't convince a legacy recruit like JJJ to come to GU (with both parents as alumni, former player and assistant coach), then JT3 is the problem not the solution. When you look at the level of recruits we are pursuing this year, predominantly out of the top 100 (don't hate me for looking at rankings) getting JJJ does look like a must get to me.

Yeah you're right, let's restrict freedom of choice for 17 year olds around their country.....don't let any of them make their own decisions, especially not based off of their own character, values, beliefs, and desires..

[beenaround]

I've never had any interaction with JJJ or his dad, so this is all conjecture. But, I would think that the fact that JTIII was picked as Head coach over JJ, and then lost his assistant position, does change the dynamic a bit. Yes he is the son of two alumni...but it may be a bit more complicated than that. So, while it is hard to argue against the fact that recruiting has slipped a bit the past couple of years, I think getting a commit from JJJ would be quite a coup .

[seaweed]

I take the exact opposite view - legacy recruiting is largely a quiet, behind the scenes process and we are not likely to hear much about it. Until I hear news that he is seriously leaning another way, I consider the factors favoring GU to be the dominant forces here, just like they are with plenty of other legacies. I also note that most people felt he was an ND lean, where he was recruited by Solomon, now out Asst. Coach. I do believe part of the motivation behind that move was to consolidate forces drawing him here. Until he starts publically taking up another program, my sense is that the quiet behind the scenes forces are the most important.

Further, NO kid is "must have" - sure, some gets are better than others and some misses sting worse than others, but the program is the priority, not the individual players. We have had great success with less heralded kids and we have had big time recruiting busts like anyone else. Must have is just a silly moniker tossed about by people outside the program to make noise, seem important and generally confuse expectations.

Jun 13, 2016 9:17:57 GMT -5 RBHoya said:

Jackson is great, but is there any real positive buzz here? Other than the fact that his dad went to Georgetown, any real reason to think we may be able to win this one? He's 6'10 and a high 4-star type whose stock is rising. Potential to be an All-American. I don't know that I've heard any real chatter that Georgetown is a leader or is well-positioned in this recruitment, which makes me wary of labeling him "a must have." His continuing to list us may just be a courtesy to his father's alma. While I'm certainly in favor of pushing for him if we can, until there's some real news to show that he's serious about us, I think you put him in the same bucket as a guy like Ivan Rabb--guys who are great and who Hoyatalk gets excited about because we're listed, but guys who also never really seem to like us quite as much as our fans like them.

I don't want to be too much of a downer, but labeling a guy like this as "must get" seems like setting yourself up for more disappointment. While I hope we continue to stay in his recruitment just in case, it's also important that we're focusing on guys who we legitimately have a shot at--someone like Antwan Walker, maybe.

[michaeldm9]

Jun 13, 2016 9:43:56 GMT -5 lucky said:

My opinion on this matter is this, if Coach can't convince a legacy recruit like JJJ to come to GU (with both parents as alumni, former player and assistant coach), then JT3 is the problem not the solution. When you look at the level of recruits we are pursuing this year, predominantly out of the top 100 (don't hate me for looking at rankings) getting JJJ does look like a must get to me.

Agree. The path to get Jackson couldn't be better. Maybe its not a JTII issue but a Thompson issue. Maybe rumors are true that if your last name is not Ewing or Mourning, you don't get your calls returned. Also loosing Jackson indicates that the program is not seen as major program that can compete. May have a snowball affect with other recruits as well.

[beenaround]

Jun 13, 2016 10:05:33 GMT -5 seaweed said:

I take the exact opposite view - legacy recruiting is largely a quiet, behind the scenes process and we are not likely to hear much about it. Until I hear news that he is seriously leaning another way, I consider the factors favoring GU to be the dominant forces here, just like they are with plenty of other legacies. I also note that most people felt he was an ND lean, where he was recruited by Solomon, now out Asst. Coach. I do believe part of the motivation behind that move was to consolidate forces drawing him here. Until he starts publically taking up another program, my sense is that the quiet behind the scenes forces are the most important.

Further, NO kid is "must have" - sure, some gets are better than others and some misses sting worse than others, but the program is the priority, not the individual players. We have had great success with less heralded kids and we have had big time recruiting busts like anyone else. Must have is just a silly moniker tossed about by people outside the program to make noise, seem important and generally confuse expectations.

Jun 13, 2016 9:17:57 GMT -5 RBHoya said:

Jackson is great, but is there any real positive buzz here? Other than the fact that his dad went to Georgetown, any real reason to think we may be able to win this one? He's 6'10 and a high 4-star type whose stock is rising. Potential to be an All-American. I don't know that I've heard any real chatter that Georgetown is a leader or is well-positioned in this recruitment, which makes me wary of labeling him "a must have." His continuing to list us may just be a courtesy to his father's alma. While I'm certainly in favor of pushing for him if we can, until there's some real news to show that he's serious about us, I think you put him in the same bucket as a guy like Ivan Rabb--guys who are great and who Hoyatalk gets excited about because we're listed, but guys who also never really seem to like us quite as much as our fans like them.

I don't want to be too much of a downer, but labeling a guy like this as "must get" seems like setting yourself up for more disappointment. While I hope we continue to stay in his recruitment just in case, it's also important that we're focusing on guys who we legitimately have a shot at--someone like Antwan Walker, maybe.

Totally hope you are correct!

[Filo]

It's no secret that JTIII is struggling on the recruiting front, especially at the guard position. I don't think anyone would argue against that. What I will argue against are the 1. the posts that question his effort and 2. the posts that suggest not landing JJJ is a huge problem and emblematic of anything. Sure, he is a legacy recruit, but as others have pointed out, it's more complicated than that given his dad's history with the program. I don't know if there is anything negative there at all (obviously, I hope not), but like I said, it isn't a legacy slam dunk situation by any means. I really haven't seen much that shows JJJ has high interest in coming to GU, and I won't be suprised at all if he commits elsewhere.

[95hoya]

Jun 13, 2016 10:05:33 GMT -5 seaweed said:

I take the exact opposite view - legacy recruiting is largely a quiet, behind the scenes process and we are not likely to hear much about it. Until I hear news that he is seriously leaning another way, I consider the factors favoring GU to be the dominant forces here, just like they are with plenty of other legacies. I also note that most people felt he was an ND lean, where he was recruited by Solomon, now out Asst. Coach. I do believe part of the motivation behind that move was to consolidate forces drawing him here. Until he starts publically taking up another program, my sense is that the quiet behind the scenes forces are the most important.

Further, NO kid is "must have" - sure, some gets are better than others and some misses sting worse than others, but the program is the priority, not the individual players. We have had great success with less heralded kids and we have had big time recruiting busts like anyone else. Must have is just a silly moniker tossed about by people outside the program to make noise, seem important and generally confuse expectations.

Jun 13, 2016 9:17:57 GMT -5 RBHoya said:

Jackson is great, but is there any real positive buzz here? Other than the fact that his dad went to Georgetown, any real reason to think we may be able to win this one? He's 6'10 and a high 4-star type whose stock is rising. Potential to be an All-American. I don't know that I've heard any real chatter that Georgetown is a leader or is well-positioned in this recruitment, which makes me wary of labeling him "a must have." His continuing to list us may just be a courtesy to his father's alma. While I'm certainly in favor of pushing for him if we can, until there's some real news to show that he's serious about us, I think you put him in the same bucket as a guy like Ivan Rabb--guys who are great and who Hoyatalk gets excited about because we're listed, but guys who also never really seem to like us quite as much as our fans like them.

I don't want to be too much of a downer, but labeling a guy like this as "must get" seems like setting yourself up for more disappointment. While I hope we continue to stay in his recruitment just in case, it's also important that we're focusing on guys who we legitimately have a shot at--someone like Antwan Walker, maybe.

He has never been a ND lean. He's been a MD lean for the longest time and it remains that way. MSU, IU, and Bama have been pushing for him hard. But MD has made him a priority recruit the longest.

[rockhoya]

Jun 13, 2016 10:44:03 GMT -5 95hoya said:

Jun 13, 2016 10:05:33 GMT -5 seaweed said:

I take the exact opposite view - legacy recruiting is largely a quiet, behind the scenes process and we are not likely to hear much about it. Until I hear news that he is seriously leaning another way, I consider the factors favoring GU to be the dominant forces here, just like they are with plenty of other legacies. I also note that most people felt he was an ND lean, where he was recruited by Solomon, now out Asst. Coach. I do believe part of the motivation behind that move was to consolidate forces drawing him here. Until he starts publically taking up another program, my sense is that the quiet behind the scenes forces are the most important.

Further, NO kid is "must have" - sure, some gets are better than others and some misses sting worse than others, but the program is the priority, not the individual players. We have had great success with less heralded kids and we have had big time recruiting busts like anyone else. Must have is just a silly moniker tossed about by people outside the program to make noise, seem important and generally confuse expectations.

He has never been a ND lean. He's been a MD lean for the longest time and it remains that way. MSU, IU, and Bama have been pushing for him hard. But MD has made him a priority recruit the longest.

Hmm okay Jaren

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There's literally no such thing as a "Must get" or a any reason to believe because a kids parents went to a school you should land a kid by default.. That's just silly imo...

[hoyainspirit]

^^^ This. I was about to respond to the legacy post above, but since YaBoy's post is far more diplomatic than what I had in mind, I think I'll just leave it alone...

[95hoya]

Jun 13, 2016 10:45:35 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

Jun 13, 2016 10:44:03 GMT -5 95hoya said:

He has never been a ND lean. He's been a MD lean for the longest time and it remains that way. MSU, IU, and Bama have been pushing for him hard. But MD has made him a priority recruit the longest.

Hmm okay Jaren

What information do you have that says he is or was a ND lean? Virtually every recruiting analyst has said MD leads. I hope he ends up a Hoya as much as any of you. I just haven't read or heard anything to give me reason to be optimistic.

[95hoya]

Jun 13, 2016 11:11:46 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

There's literally no such thing as a "Must get" or a any reason to believe because a kids parents went to a school you should land a kid by default.. That's just silly imo...

Yep. Shaq's kid isn't going to LSU. Kids want to blaze their own path and parents support that.

[trillesthoya]

I'm still pretty convinced that Georgetown is a good option for any forward prospect hoping for a shot at the NBA. JT3, despite whatever flaws he might have, has produced several quality big men and forwards players and I can't really think of a single highly rated forward prospect that didn't pan out well here. Isaac might become the exception to that rule but he still has time to find his groove. LJ is a stud and I would be stunned if he doesn't make an NBA roster next year or soon afterwards.

[beenaround]

Jun 13, 2016 16:06:15 GMT -5 trillesthoya said:

I'm still pretty convinced that Georgetown is a good option for any forward prospect hoping for a shot at the NBA. JT3, despite whatever flaws he might have, has produced several quality big men and forwards players and I can't really think of a single highly rated forward prospect that didn't pan out well here. Isaac might become the exception to that rule but he still has time to find his groove. LJ is a stud and I would be stunned if he doesn't make an NBA roster next year or soon afterwards.

I like LJ a lot..especially the LJ who was so amazing in the second half of the year. But I would NOT be "stunned" if he fails to make the NBA. Lots of real good college players don't make it. Austin, Wright, DSR and even Markel were better in college. 

Anyway, I am nit picking at one thing. Agree with the larger point that III has had good success with forwards getting to the league. Hopefully LJ is next, but he would have to make the league as a guard, not a forward, obviously.

[DFW HOYA]

Jun 13, 2016 16:06:15 GMT -5 trillesthoya said:

I'm still pretty convinced that Georgetown is a good option for any forward prospect hoping for a shot at the NBA. JT3, despite whatever flaws he might have, has produced several quality big men and forwards players and I can't really think of a single highly rated forward prospect that didn't pan out well here.

Introducing the #42 recruit nationally in 2010: Nate Lubick. The coaches shut him down as a scoring option after freshman year and thus he became this generation's Ronnie Highsmith instead of the next Troy Murphy.

[kchoya]

Jun 13, 2016 18:37:34 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Jun 13, 2016 16:06:15 GMT -5 trillesthoya said:

I'm still pretty convinced that Georgetown is a good option for any forward prospect hoping for a shot at the NBA. JT3, despite whatever flaws he might have, has produced several quality big men and forwards players and I can't really think of a single highly rated forward prospect that didn't pan out well here.

Introducing the #42 recruit nationally in 2010: Nate Lubick. The coaches shut him down as a scoring option after freshman year and thus he became this generation's Ronnie Highsmith instead of the next Troy Murphy.

Why do you spew that crap? Lubick as the next Troy Murphy? That's rich.

You really don't like this coaching staff, do you?

Still not sure why you continue to follow this team.

[DFW HOYA]

Jun 13, 2016 18:41:49 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Jun 13, 2016 18:37:34 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Introducing the #42 recruit nationally in 2010: Nate Lubick. The coaches shut him down as a scoring option after freshman year and thus he became this generation's Ronnie Highsmith instead of the next Troy Murphy.

Why do you spew that crap? Lubick as the next Troy Murphy? That's rich.

You really don't like this coaching staff, do you?

Still not sure why you continue to follow this team.

Thanks again for the insight. Always appreciate the extra effort to find words like "spew".

And who was that "coaching staff" I did't like? David Cox, Kenya Hunter, and Mike Brennan? It's not one person or philosophy but a reflection of an opportunity lost. You may have forgotten Nate Lubick was a major recruiting target in 2009-10 for a lot of schools, and for Notre Dame in the mold of Murphy and, perhaps more closely, Luke Harangody, after freshman Jack Cooley stumbled to a 1.0 average as a freshman. There was even a brief period where some midwestern writers reported Lubick had decomitted from Georgetown:

www.umhoops.com/2009/07/09/nate-lubick-decommits-from-georgetown/

As a freshman, Lubick shot 53% from the field but his outside shooting just failed him (4 for 17). At that point, the staff took him out of games early and deemphasized him as a scoring option and he basically took over the role of the lumbering inside man that Julian Vaughn had become. By the following season, in comes Porter and Whittington and the need for an outside shooting PF wasn't happening. By contrast, ND began to build around Cooley, who went from 1 ppg to 3 ppg to 12 to a double-double contributor as a senior. Cooley was much less athletic than Lubick but the made the most of it because of Brey's style of play.

It's OK to understand that for every Charles Smith, Jerome Williams or Jonathan Wallace, the staff has missed on others. Antoine Stoudamire was a non-factor at Georgetown and he goes off to score 1,000 points in two years at Oregon. Duane Spencer could have been an NBA draft pick as a four year center. And there was no good excuse for pulling Stephen Domingo out of high school, with the results that followed.

With some more coaching focus on an outside game, and to leverage his solid passing skills, Lubick could have been much more suited to becoming the kind of prospect that he was in high school.

Some of those at or below Lubick's #42?

Henry Sims (#51, 2008)
Hollis Thompson (#76, 2009)
Mikael Hopkins (#98, 2011)
Reggie Cameron (#75, 2013)
Akoy Agau (#89, 2013)
Paul White (#51, 2014)
Jessie Govan (#42, 2015)
Marcus Derrickson (#93, 2015)

[SaxaCD]

Jun 13, 2016 18:37:34 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Jun 13, 2016 16:06:15 GMT -5 trillesthoya said:

I'm still pretty convinced that Georgetown is a good option for any forward prospect hoping for a shot at the NBA. JT3, despite whatever flaws he might have, has produced several quality big men and forwards players and I can't really think of a single highly rated forward prospect that didn't pan out well here.

Introducing the #42 recruit nationally in 2010: Nate Lubick. The coaches shut him down as a scoring option after freshman year and thus he became this generation's Ronnie Highsmith instead of the next Troy Murphy.

OK, I'm convinced Georgetown is a very good option for any forward prospect hoping for a shot at the NBA who can actually make a shot past 5 feet. I liked Lubick's hustle and his willingness to throw his body around in pursuit of the ball, but he never learned how to squeeze very well (always trying to tip it), wouldn't pull the trigger when open (and c'mon, he was NOT yanked that much for misses), and kept trying to make fancy passes that were more often then not deflected or stolen (even though he showed flashes of being a good passer, his judgment was suspect). Sure, the staff can take some blame for his regression, but also, sometimes guys peak in high school.

[tashoya]

Jun 13, 2016 13:52:31 GMT -5 95hoya said:

Jun 13, 2016 11:11:46 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

There's literally no such thing as a "Must get" or a any reason to believe because a kids parents went to a school you should land a kid by default.. That's just silly imo...

Yep. Shaq's kid isn't going to LSU. Kids want to blaze their own path and parents support that.

That case is a little different though. Shaq has said that he wants him to go to Kentucky.

[Hoyas4Ever]