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Post by 2ndRyan on Jul 28, 2014 8:42:53 GMT -5
Down from Philadelphia for the 7/26 games. Enjoyed the Tombs games immensely. Hope Peak is a durable guy. Absorbed a lot of hits on his numerous forays to the goal. Anyone else see the Patriarch (JT) barking at the guard from GW who had the temerity to slam a ball off the wall behind the basket? It's still his gym.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jul 28, 2014 8:54:20 GMT -5
Down from Philadelphia for the 7/26 games. Enjoyed the Tombs games immensely. Hope Peak is a durable guy. Absorbed a lot of hits on his numerous forays to the goal. Anyone else see the Patriarch (JT) barking at the guard from GW who had the temerity to slam a ball off the wall behind the basket? It's still his gym. I did see that. He did it numerous times. Believe it was Jorgenson from GW, who apparently calls himself the Prince Harry of Harlem.
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Post by thehandicapper on Jul 28, 2014 14:59:40 GMT -5
Has Melo Trimble, from Maryland, played in any of the Kenner League games yet?
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 28, 2014 17:33:04 GMT -5
I appreciate all the work tmotolla has put into these Kenner reports. They are informative and timely. Still some of his assertions lead to a lot of head-scratching. Like: "Note: the dominance of Vaughn and Sims is a good reminder that well you can draw some meaningful conclusions from Kenner play, it is also true that sometimes fairly average talents can have dominant runs in this kind of summer league. That is not meant to minimize the talents of Sims and Vaughn. But just like Gus Gilchrist - a tall, athletic, skilled big man who plays hard will often fair extremely well in the Kenner league." Is he saying that Sims, a guy good enough to start for an NBA team last season and do well in the position, is a fairly average talent? That’s an interesting take. Getting beyond that...judging the play of big men in the Kenner League is hard to do. Putting up good numbers may mean you didn't face any other legit big men or it may mean you got a lot of touches (which is not a guarantee of any bigs in summer league play). I would argue that the number Sims and Vaughn put up weren't necessarily dominant anyway, but what you would expect from guys with the advantage in experience. And this is a key distinction that tmotolla may not yet realize. When he sees a guy whom he considers to be only an average player put up huge numbers he likes to use that as evidence for his claim that standout performances in Kenner games should be viewed skeptically. Actually what he should be looking at is the age/experience of the players who put up those numbers. A solid former college player is capable of dominating a summer league game. The key word is “former” because often such players will have an edge in age, an edge in playing against grown men if they play in some sort of pro league and an edge in “under the big lights” experience as so far as playing in the KL. They feel so comfortable with the surroundings as if they are returning to their home turf. That’s why for years Curt Smith, Charles Smith’s baby brother who never made it to the big leagues, could suit up for the KL until he was in his late 20s or early 30s and dominate people. He knew how to play this brand of game and would put up some monster numbers, often against wet-behind-the-ears college underclassmen (he lit up an NBA All Star once as well). That’s why it is rare for anyone to make a big deal over any great numbers a FORMER college player puts up. Former college players, some of whom are actual NBA pros, should dominate as long as they get enough attempts. That’s a no-brainer. When they don’t pile up the points it is usually because they are only going at it at half speed or they feel it is their duty to allow the youngins they are playing with to shine. That’s why you can have one game in which Jeff Green takes eight shots when suiting up for the Tombs and another game he may take eighteen shot attempts. Unofficially speaking putting up big numbers only matters when you are a returning college player or when you are an incoming recruit mere months away from playing D1 hoops for the very first time. Outburst in scoring by the former could suggest growth in the game of a returning college player, a sign that he is about to take a huge step. See: Roy Hibbert. An outburst by the latter hints that the guy putting up those stats may be on the verge of embarking on an extremely successful college career and that a seat in the NBA may await as well. That’s why there was a buzz when an Allen Iverson, Steve Francis, or Joe Forte were torching defenders in McDonough Gymnasium before they ever played one second of a Division 1 college game. And this is the category that LJ Peaks finds himself in after torching the nets himself the past few weekends. If he was some guy in his mid to late twenties reliving his glory college days we wouldn’t think much of it. The fact that he is an eighteen year old freshmen-to-be makes his performances a pretty big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 18:06:11 GMT -5
I appreciate all the work tmotolla has put into these Kenner reports. They are informative and timely. Still some of his assertions lead to a lot of head-scratching. Like: "Note: the dominance of Vaughn and Sims is a good reminder that well you can draw some meaningful conclusions from Kenner play, it is also true that sometimes fairly average talents can have dominant runs in this kind of summer league. That is not meant to minimize the talents of Sims and Vaughn. But just like Gus Gilchrist - a tall, athletic, skilled big man who plays hard will often fair extremely well in the Kenner league."
Is he saying that Sims, a guy good enough to start for an NBA team last season and do well in the position, is a fairly average talent? That’s an interesting take. Getting beyond that...judging the play of big men in the Kenner League is hard to do. Putting up good numbers may mean you didn't face any other legit big men or it may mean you got a lot of touches (which is not a guarantee of any bigs in summer league play). I would argue that the number Sims and Vaughn put up weren't necessarily dominant anyway, but what you would expect from guys with the advantage in experience. And this is a key distinction that tmotolla may not yet realize. When he sees a guy whom he considers to be only an average player put up huge numbers he likes to use that as evidence for his claim that standout performances in Kenner games should be viewed skeptically. Actually what he should be looking at is the age/experience of the players who put up those numbers. A solid former college player is capable of dominating a summer league game. The key word is “former” because often such players will have an edge in age, an edge in playing against grown men if they play in some sort of pro league and an edge in “under the big lights” experience as so far as playing in the KL. They feel so comfortable with the surroundings as if they are returning to their home turf. That’s why for years Curt Smith, Charles Smith’s baby brother who never made it to the big leagues, could suit up for the KL until he was in his late 20s or early 30s and dominate people. He knew how to play this brand of game and would put up some monster numbers, often against wet-behind-the-ears college underclassmen (he lit up an NBA All Star once as well). That’s why it is rare for anyone to make a big deal over any great numbers a FORMER college player puts up. Former college players, some of whom are actual NBA pros, should dominate as long as they get enough attempts. That’s a no-brainer. When they don’t pile up the points it is usually because they are only going at it at half speed or they feel it is their duty to allow the youngins they are playing with to shine. That’s why you can have one game in which Jeff Green takes eight shots when suiting up for the Tombs and another game he may take eighteen shot attempts. Unofficially speaking putting up big numbers only matters when you are a returning college player or when you are an incoming recruit mere months away from playing D1 hoops for the very first time. Outburst in scoring by the former could suggest growth in the game of a returning college player, a sign that he is about to take a huge step. See: Roy Hibbert. An outburst by the latter hints that the guy putting up those stats may be on the verge of embarking on an extremely successful college career and that a seat in the NBA may await as well. That’s why there was a buzz when an Allen Iverson, Steve Francis, or Joe Forte were torching defenders in McDonough Gymnasium before they ever played one second of a Division 1 college game. And this is the category that LJ Peaks finds himself in after torching the nets himself the past few weekends. If he was some guy in his mid to late twenties reliving his glory college days we wouldn’t think much of it. The fact that he is an eighteen year old freshmen-to-be makes his performances a pretty big deal. Didn’t understand that part either MCI. Figured it was a typo or something… Sims is a NBA Player, like huh?
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 28, 2014 18:21:05 GMT -5
I appreciate all the work tmotolla has put into these Kenner reports. They are informative and timely. Still some of his assertions lead to a lot of head-scratching. Like: "Note: the dominance of Vaughn and Sims is a good reminder that well you can draw some meaningful conclusions from Kenner play, it is also true that sometimes fairly average talents can have dominant runs in this kind of summer league. That is not meant to minimize the talents of Sims and Vaughn. But just like Gus Gilchrist - a tall, athletic, skilled big man who plays hard will often fair extremely well in the Kenner league." Is he saying that Sims, a guy good enough to start for an NBA team last season and do well in the position, is a fairly average talent? That’s an interesting take. Getting beyond that...judging the play of big men in the Kenner League is hard to do. Putting up good numbers may mean you didn't face any other legit big men or it may mean you got a lot of touches (which is not a guarantee of any bigs in summer league play). I would argue that the number Sims and Vaughn put up weren't necessarily dominant anyway, but what you would expect from guys with the advantage in experience. And this is a key distinction that tmotolla may not yet realize. When he sees a guy whom he considers to be only an average player put up huge numbers he likes to use that as evidence for his claim that standout performances in Kenner games should be viewed skeptically. Actually what he should be looking at is the age/experience of the players who put up those numbers. A solid former college player is capable of dominating a summer league game. The key word is “former” because often such players will have an edge in age, an edge in playing against grown men if they play in some sort of pro league and an edge in “under the big lights” experience as so far as playing in the KL. They feel so comfortable with the surroundings as if they are returning to their home turf. That’s why for years Curt Smith, Charles Smith’s baby brother who never made it to the big leagues, could suit up for the KL until he was in his late 20s or early 30s and dominate people. He knew how to play this brand of game and would put up some monster numbers, often against wet-behind-the-ears college underclassmen (he lit up an NBA All Star once as well). That’s why it is rare for anyone to make a big deal over any great numbers a FORMER college player puts up. Former college players, some of whom are actual NBA pros, should dominate as long as they get enough attempts. That’s a no-brainer. When they don’t pile up the points it is usually because they are only going at it at half speed or they feel it is their duty to allow the youngins they are playing with to shine. That’s why you can have one game in which Jeff Green takes eight shots when suiting up for the Tombs and another game he may take eighteen shot attempts. Unofficially speaking putting up big numbers only matters when you are a returning college player or when you are an incoming recruit mere months away from playing D1 hoops for the very first time. Outburst in scoring by the former could suggest growth in the game of a returning college player, a sign that he is about to take a huge step. See: Roy Hibbert. An outburst by the latter hints that the guy putting up those stats may be on the verge of embarking on an extremely successful college career and that a seat in the NBA may await as well. That’s why there was a buzz when an Allen Iverson, Steve Francis, or Joe Forte were torching defenders in McDonough Gymnasium before they ever played one second of a Division 1 college game. And this is the category that LJ Peaks finds himself in after torching the nets himself the past few weekends. If he was some guy in his mid to late twenties reliving his glory college days we wouldn’t think much of it. The fact that he is an eighteen year old freshmen-to-be makes his performances a pretty big deal. Exactly. It's like Austin coming back to play in 6 years. He'll be even better
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 28, 2014 20:25:25 GMT -5
Didn’t understand that part either MCI. Figured it was a typo or something… Sims is a NBA Player, like huh? I was going to joke that maybe he was trying to see if people were paying attention considering his two reports this weekend had generated 16 total responses while a daily Casual poll that included the question who is your favorite Kardashian generated more than ten times that. But then I noticed Casual himself politely called out his readers/members for having little interest in writeups of the teams actual players. Just said. Even if I disagree with some of the points the dude made his hard work should lead to much more responses than it has gotten. But as I wrote in this thread weeks ago Hoya fandom in general have been a bit of a letdown when it comes to Kenner this summer. A family illness has kept me away from doing almost anything recreational these past few months but I'm thinking of giving myself a break and going out to Gtown this weekend to observe and then report on what I see.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 28, 2014 21:46:45 GMT -5
I appreciate all the work tmotolla has put into these Kenner reports. They are informative and timely. Still some of his assertions lead to a lot of head-scratching. Like: "Note: the dominance of Vaughn and Sims is a good reminder that well you can draw some meaningful conclusions from Kenner play, it is also true that sometimes fairly average talents can have dominant runs in this kind of summer league. That is not meant to minimize the talents of Sims and Vaughn. But just like Gus Gilchrist - a tall, athletic, skilled big man who plays hard will often fair extremely well in the Kenner league." Is he saying that Sims, a guy good enough to start for an NBA team last season and do well in the position, is a fairly average talent? That’s an interesting take. Getting beyond that...judging the play of big men in the Kenner League is hard to do. Putting up good numbers may mean you didn't face any other legit big men or it may mean you got a lot of touches (which is not a guarantee of any bigs in summer league play). I would argue that the number Sims and Vaughn put up weren't necessarily dominant anyway, but what you would expect from guys with the advantage in experience. And this is a key distinction that tmotolla may not yet realize. When he sees a guy whom he considers to be only an average player put up huge numbers he likes to use that as evidence for his claim that standout performances in Kenner games should be viewed skeptically. Actually what he should be looking at is the age/experience of the players who put up those numbers. A solid former college player is capable of dominating a summer league game. The key word is “former” because often such players will have an edge in age, an edge in playing against grown men if they play in some sort of pro league and an edge in “under the big lights” experience as so far as playing in the KL. They feel so comfortable with the surroundings as if they are returning to their home turf. That’s why for years Curt Smith, Charles Smith’s baby brother who never made it to the big leagues, could suit up for the KL until he was in his late 20s or early 30s and dominate people. He knew how to play this brand of game and would put up some monster numbers, often against wet-behind-the-ears college underclassmen (he lit up an NBA All Star once as well). That’s why it is rare for anyone to make a big deal over any great numbers a FORMER college player puts up. Former college players, some of whom are actual NBA pros, should dominate as long as they get enough attempts. That’s a no-brainer. When they don’t pile up the points it is usually because they are only going at it at half speed or they feel it is their duty to allow the youngins they are playing with to shine. That’s why you can have one game in which Jeff Green takes eight shots when suiting up for the Tombs and another game he may take eighteen shot attempts. Unofficially speaking putting up big numbers only matters when you are a returning college player or when you are an incoming recruit mere months away from playing D1 hoops for the very first time. Outburst in scoring by the former could suggest growth in the game of a returning college player, a sign that he is about to take a huge step. See: Roy Hibbert. An outburst by the latter hints that the guy putting up those stats may be on the verge of embarking on an extremely successful college career and that a seat in the NBA may await as well. That’s why there was a buzz when an Allen Iverson, Steve Francis, or Joe Forte were torching defenders in McDonough Gymnasium before they ever played one second of a Division 1 college game. And this is the category that LJ Peaks finds himself in after torching the nets himself the past few weekends. If he was some guy in his mid to late twenties reliving his glory college days we wouldn’t think much of it. The fact that he is an eighteen year old freshmen-to-be makes his performances a pretty big deal. Good points as usual. I loved hearing from friends on the practice team about AI. Good times. With the young guys especially, one can see that there's something there or there isn't even in a summer league environment. Numbers don't necessarily have to be the whole story but they are an indicator.
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Post by Just Cos on Jul 28, 2014 23:56:00 GMT -5
MCI, ignoring you calling me a liar or revisionist, Jabril was and is a dribble first guy. That was an example of a current player, but Chris is an even better example pointed out by other posters. We recruit more pure shooters than dribble first guys but it isn't like we only recruit one type of player. Hopefully Peak's performance in Kenner translates to college and we get to see how III leverages him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 23:59:17 GMT -5
Didn’t understand that part either MCI. Figured it was a typo or something… Sims is a NBA Player, like huh? I was going to joke that maybe he was trying to see if people were paying attention considering his two reports this weekend had generated 16 total responses while a daily Casual poll that included the question who is your favorite Kardashian generated more than ten times that. But then I noticed Casual himself politely called out his readers/members for having little interest in writeups of the teams actual players. Just said. Even if I disagree with some of the points the dude made his hard work should lead to much more responses than it has gotten. But as I wrote in this thread weeks ago Hoya fandom in general have been a bit of a letdown when it comes to Kenner this summer. A family illness has kept me away from doing almost anything recreational these past few months but I'm thinking of giving myself a break and going out to Gtown this weekend to observe and then report on what I see. Haha exactly… The guy definitely deserves props for his hard work...
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 29, 2014 2:25:34 GMT -5
MCI, ignoring you calling me a liar or revisionist, Jabril was and is a dribble first guy. That was an example of a current player, but Chris is an even better example pointed out by other posters. We recruit more pure shooters than dribble first guys but it isn't like we only recruit one type of player. Hopefully Peak's performance in Kenner translates to college and we get to see how III leverages him. Jabril has been a dribble-first guy in high school and the KL. My point was that he certainly wasn't driving on a regular basis to the hole during most of his three years at Gtown. That's why his scoring average was so low until he returned from his jaw injury. Chris Wright, on the other hand, was a different story, on that I would agree,
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 29, 2014 6:41:14 GMT -5
MCI, ignoring you calling me a liar or revisionist, Jabril was and is a dribble first guy. That was an example of a current player, but Chris is an even better example pointed out by other posters. We recruit more pure shooters than dribble first guys but it isn't like we only recruit one type of player. Hopefully Peak's performance in Kenner translates to college and we get to see how III leverages him. Just because that's his relative strength that doesn't mean he uses it often or effectively enough. Jabril is not a constant threat to take it to the rack because of his underdeveloped handle.
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Post by Just Cos on Jul 29, 2014 19:06:18 GMT -5
Just because that's his relative strength that doesn't mean he uses it often or effectively enough. Jabril is not a constant threat to take it to the rack because of his underdeveloped handle. Don't disagree but I was never claiming he was a constant threat to take it to the rack.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 29, 2014 20:03:04 GMT -5
Didn’t understand that part either MCI. Figured it was a typo or something… Sims is a NBA Player, like huh? I was going to joke that maybe he was trying to see if people were paying attention considering his two reports this weekend had generated 16 total responses while a daily Casual poll that included the question who is your favorite Kardashian generated more than ten times that. But then I noticed Casual himself politely called out his readers/members for having little interest in writeups of the teams actual players. Just said. Even if I disagree with some of the points the dude made his hard work should lead to much more responses than it has gotten. But as I wrote in this thread weeks ago Hoya fandom in general have been a bit of a letdown when it comes to Kenner this summer. A family illness has kept me away from doing almost anything recreational these past few months but I'm thinking of giving myself a break and going out to Gtown this weekend to observe and then report on what I see. "Who is your favorite Kardashian?" I've just barfed all over my office. I hope "none of the above" was an option.
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 29, 2014 20:17:58 GMT -5
Just because that's his relative strength that doesn't mean he uses it often or effectively enough. Jabril is not a constant threat to take it to the rack because of his underdeveloped handle. Don't disagree but I was never claiming he was a constant threat to take it to the rack. Well I haven't been closely following the discussion but seems like the other poster was claiming that LJ was, and someone tried to compare his competency to that of Jabril
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 5:09:44 GMT -5
Smh… Smh… Smdh
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Post by beenaround on Jul 31, 2014 7:33:15 GMT -5
Thanks for that video. Wow....what an exciting time to remember.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Jul 31, 2014 7:47:25 GMT -5
Thanks YaBOY!! Good Lord.
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Post by Thomas on Jul 31, 2014 10:11:36 GMT -5
Has Melo Trimble, from Maryland, played in any of the Kenner League games yet? No, Melo Trimble hasn't played in any Kenner League games. He probably agreed to play in the Kenner League too, but just hasn't shown up. It would've been interesting to see him matched up with Tre Campbell again. I don't think he's going to come in and dominate as a freshman like many believe he will. Maryland brought in a grad transfer from an HBCU, who has played in the Kenner League and I think he'll be better than Romelo Trimble next year.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 31, 2014 11:12:11 GMT -5
That should pretty much end the comparisons of anyone to AI. Thanks YaBoy!
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