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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 10, 2021 21:29:04 GMT -5
You take him because we need two PGs. Beard is not experienced and is a combo. What if Harris gets injured? You need two solid ball handlers.
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Post by pemyfavclass on Mar 10, 2021 21:50:14 GMT -5
I support Dante & he is a great asset for us moving forward. But we are certainly homers overrating his value.
His offensive rating is 84.7, lowest out of anyone in our 7 man rotation. People point to his playmaking but he has a lower assist% and higher TO% than Blair. Obviously he is only a freshman who has improved greatly over the course of the season (he was shooting close to 25% at the rim Mid-January which is terrible) and his point-of-attack defense has been awesome as of late.
But let's not kid ourselves, if a talent like Chris Lykes wants to come to Georgetown we take him. Yes Dante may be more unselfish, but Dante also shoots 26% from 3, and a Dante/Aminu backcourt would really limit our spacing. Keep in mind that our team 3 PT efficiency has been one of the main catalysts for our recent success. Lykes shot 38% at a high volume last season. & these are just a couple on-court reasons. Lykes is a DC legend and I think he would bolster our local recruiting.
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Post by pemyfavclass on Mar 10, 2021 21:58:12 GMT -5
Two questions for those who who don't want Lykes.
Assuming we lose our primary & secondary perimeter engines of our offense with Blair & Pickett leaving, who do you suggest fulfills those roles? Aminu as the secondary option sure, but you're going to tell me Dante as the primary?
If Dante is put as a 6th man option, does he really lose out on much development considering the abundance of minutes he played this year + considerable minutes next year? And is there any chance he's so offended that he transfers.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 10, 2021 22:09:03 GMT -5
I may have some doubts about bringing in Lykes but anything that keeps Dante under 38 minutes a game is a good thing.
Seriously Ewing will run players into the ground.
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Post by HoyaDr on Mar 10, 2021 22:13:37 GMT -5
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Post by dense on Mar 10, 2021 22:15:46 GMT -5
Two questions for those who who don't want Lykes. Assuming we lose our primary & secondary perimeter engines of our offense with Blair & Pickett leaving, who do you suggest fulfills those roles? Aminu as the secondary option sure, but you're going to tell me Dante as the primary? If Dante is put as a 6th man option, does he really lose out on much development considering the abundance of minutes he played this year + considerable minutes next year? And is there any chance he's so offended that he transfers. My answer to you would be, he doesn't move the needle the way you think. He plays a very inefficient style of basketball if you are using him as a PG. There is a reason Harmon worded his tweet that way and you know if you watched basketball and him play what he meant. Some parts don't fit together even if they are all talented. Aminu is not going to have the ball much in his hands, along with Wahab if Lykes is here. His usage rate is high if you look at analytics too or just watch him play. I am not saying, don't take him. I just say if you take him, he has got to know this isnt the Chris Lykes show.
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Post by pemyfavclass on Mar 10, 2021 22:32:24 GMT -5
Two questions for those who who don't want Lykes. Assuming we lose our primary & secondary perimeter engines of our offense with Blair & Pickett leaving, who do you suggest fulfills those roles? Aminu as the secondary option sure, but you're going to tell me Dante as the primary? If Dante is put as a 6th man option, does he really lose out on much development considering the abundance of minutes he played this year + considerable minutes next year? And is there any chance he's so offended that he transfers. My answer to you would be, he doesn't move the needle the way you think. He plays a very inefficient style of basketball if you are using him as a PG. There is a reason Harmon worded his tweet that way and you know if you watched basketball and him play what he meant. Some parts don't fit together even if they are all talented. Aminu is not going to have the ball much in his hands, along with Wahab if Lykes is here. His usage rate is high if you look at analytics too or just watch him play. I am not saying, don't take him. I just say if you take him, he has got to know this isnt the Chris Lykes show. Harmon has a vested interest & bias with that take, and you hit it with your post. Lykes means less usage for Aminu, so I can't really value his opinion in this context. I wouldn't be against the Chris Lykes show, 5th year Chris Lykes leading your offense (with Q & Aminu as secondary) is absolutely a tourney team. & if our defense continues its turnaround (right now we're top 50ish in defensive efficiency), I mean that is one of the best teams in the Big East. The alternative (in a hypothetical with no other transfers and no Blair/Pickett), with Q being the only plus-offensive player (maybe Aminu) and we're back to playing without a bye in the Big East tourney. If we get a less ball dominant yet still high level offensively talented transfer, such as Justin Powell, it's a different story. But I'm not sure how realistic that is. If Lykes wasn't from the area, he wouldn't even consider us.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 22:36:01 GMT -5
Two questions for those who who don't want Lykes. Assuming we lose our primary & secondary perimeter engines of our offense with Blair & Pickett leaving, who do you suggest fulfills those roles? Aminu as the secondary option sure, but you're going to tell me Dante as the primary? If Dante is put as a 6th man option, does he really lose out on much development considering the abundance of minutes he played this year + considerable minutes next year? And is there any chance he's so offended that he transfers. I don't think that's a fair question because it's clear we're shopping so it's not like the scenario is Lykes vs adding nobody. Lykes could be a great add if he's willing to buy in and play team ball. If he's not I don't see him moving the needle much. I think that's the concern people have. That style of play while exciting hasn't led to a lot of success in Miami and it's not like they haven't had talent. They had 5 4stars on their team last year and finished 15-16. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/miami-fl/2020.html
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Post by hoyas212 on Mar 10, 2021 22:38:07 GMT -5
Two questions for those who who don't want Lykes. Assuming we lose our primary & secondary perimeter engines of our offense with Blair & Pickett leaving, who do you suggest fulfills those roles? Aminu as the secondary option sure, but you're going to tell me Dante as the primary? If Dante is put as a 6th man option, does he really lose out on much development considering the abundance of minutes he played this year + considerable minutes next year? And is there any chance he's so offended that he transfers. My answer to you would be, he doesn't move the needle the way you think. He plays a very inefficient style of basketball if you are using him as a PG. There is a reason Harmon worded his tweet that way and you know if you watched basketball and him play what he meant. Some parts don't fit together even if they are all talented. Aminu is not going to have the ball much in his hands, along with Wahab if Lykes is here. His usage rate is high if you look at analytics too or just watch him play. I am not saying, don't take him. I just say if you take him, he has got to know this isnt the Chris Lykes show. Ewing has certainly been burned by inefficient backcourt players who prioritized their own goals and agendas. I imagine they are acutely aware of this and are now doing far more diligence in terms of evaluating cultural fits. His Miami teams haven't had a ton of talent, his usage should certainly decrease playing with Wahab and Mohammed, and even Riley. Lykes himself, at 5'7, is probably anxious to prove he can be a distributor and facilitator. Next year's roster is definitely in need of a primary ball handler, and almost certainly will need to replace a lot of veteran scoring. Lykes helps fill both those voids.
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Post by pemyfavclass on Mar 10, 2021 22:52:22 GMT -5
Two questions for those who who don't want Lykes. Assuming we lose our primary & secondary perimeter engines of our offense with Blair & Pickett leaving, who do you suggest fulfills those roles? Aminu as the secondary option sure, but you're going to tell me Dante as the primary? If Dante is put as a 6th man option, does he really lose out on much development considering the abundance of minutes he played this year + considerable minutes next year? And is there any chance he's so offended that he transfers. I don't think that's a fair question because it's clear we're shopping so it's not like the scenario is Lykes vs adding nobody. Lykes could be a great add if he's willing to buy in and play team ball. If he's not I don't see him moving the needle much. I think that's the concern people have. That style of play while exciting hasn't led to a lot of success in Miami and it's not like they haven't had talent. They had 5 4stars on their team last year and finished 15-16. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/miami-fl/2020.html This is a fair point but last offseason we hyped up every big name in the portal, only to end up with a player from Northwestern St. and an upperclassman who averaged 4 ppg. Obviously Bile worked out for us & we have greater momentum this season, but I'm not sure if we're going to find a player more valuable than Lykes.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 10, 2021 22:52:28 GMT -5
Harris’ shortcomings were brought to light today- difficulty finishing at the rim and low percentage shooter. He can improve over time, but it makes sense to take an upperclassman PG for next season. We are going to need reliable three point shooters to fill the void.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 10, 2021 22:56:47 GMT -5
There are a lot of people overthinking this, and I get it because of what has happened in the past. But Chris Lykes is an elite point guard talent. If he stepped into the Big East tomorrow, he's immediately one of the 10 most talented players in the league. If that kind of talent wants to come to your school, you take him. Full stop. He wouldn't be splitting time with Dante. Dante is a good player. He's nowhere near as good as Chris. Yes, Chris gets inefficient. That's on Pat to put him in the best spots and get him to figure it out. If Chris wants a pro career he will have to show that he can run a basketball team. That alone will be enough incentive to get him to play within the concepts. As our roster stands, Aminu would be our best offensive talent next season. We need another elite offensive talent and one who has the experience at the highest level that Chris does should be more than welcomed by anyone on this board
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 22:59:26 GMT -5
I don't think that's a fair question because it's clear we're shopping so it's not like the scenario is Lykes vs adding nobody. Lykes could be a great add if he's willing to buy in and play team ball. If he's not I don't see him moving the needle much. I think that's the concern people have. That style of play while exciting hasn't led to a lot of success in Miami and it's not like they haven't had talent. They had 5 4stars on their team last year and finished 15-16. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/miami-fl/2020.html This is a fair point but last offseason we hyped up every big name in the portal, only to end up with a player from Northwestern St. and an upperclassman who averaged 4 ppg. Obviously Bile worked out for us & we have greater momentum this season, but I'm not sure if we're going to find a player more valuable than Lykes. Hey it's always a gamble but tbf last year was a mess. I doubt Lykes would be considering us now if this year was last year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 23:03:50 GMT -5
There are a lot of people overthinking this, and I get it because of what has happened in the past. But Chris Lykes is an elite point guard talent. If he stepped into the Big East tomorrow, he's immediately one of the 10 most talented players in the league. If that kind of talent wants to come to your school, you take him. Full stop. He wouldn't be splitting time with Dante. Dante is a good player. He's nowhere near as good as Chris. Yes, Chris gets inefficient. That's on Pat to put him in the best spots and get him to figure it out. If Chris wants a pro career he will have to show that he can run a basketball team. That alone will be enough incentive to get him to play within the concepts. As our roster stands, Aminu would be our best offensive talent next season. We need another elite offensive talent and one who has the experience at the highest level that Chris does should be more than welcomed by anyone on this board You guys keep mentioning Dante when you should be worried about Aminu. he hasn't signed a LOI to us. He's a free man if he chooses to be. How does that change how you guys feel about this if that's the scenario?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 10, 2021 23:05:50 GMT -5
We are going to lose a lot of scoring. We need proven scorers. Pat’s job to manage minutes and style of play.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 10, 2021 23:05:51 GMT -5
Remember that it was Freeman who told us in a podcast Mutombo wasn’t coming to Georgetown. Maybe he has a scoop here but his accuracy has not been impeccable.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 10, 2021 23:10:53 GMT -5
Did Freeman chime in here?
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 10, 2021 23:22:22 GMT -5
Did Freeman chime in here? He tweeted Lykes coming to Georgetown but then deleted the tweet.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 10, 2021 23:32:17 GMT -5
There are a lot of people overthinking this, and I get it because of what has happened in the past. But Chris Lykes is an elite point guard talent. If he stepped into the Big East tomorrow, he's immediately one of the 10 most talented players in the league. If that kind of talent wants to come to your school, you take him. Full stop. He wouldn't be splitting time with Dante. Dante is a good player. He's nowhere near as good as Chris. Yes, Chris gets inefficient. That's on Pat to put him in the best spots and get him to figure it out. If Chris wants a pro career he will have to show that he can run a basketball team. That alone will be enough incentive to get him to play within the concepts. As our roster stands, Aminu would be our best offensive talent next season. We need another elite offensive talent and one who has the experience at the highest level that Chris does should be more than welcomed by anyone on this board You guys keep mentioning Dante when you should be worried about Aminu. he hasn't signed a LOI to us. He's a free man if he chooses to be. How does that change how you guys feel about this if that's the scenario? You really think getting Lykes puts the Aminu commitment in question? I don't.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 23:34:28 GMT -5
You guys keep mentioning Dante when you should be worried about Aminu. he hasn't signed a LOI to us. He's a free man if he chooses to be. How does that change how you guys feel about this if that's the scenario? You really think getting Lykes puts the Aminu commitment in question? I don't. Have you been paying attention to Harmon? I don't know what it does but he's making his opinion on the matter pretty clear. Ultimately my point is folks keep mentioning Dante but the bigger concern is Aminu and what happens there.
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