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Post by dense on Mar 10, 2021 10:27:07 GMT -5
Lykes only played two games this season - but he averaged 5.5 assists/1.5 turnovers in those games. This is the ultimate "small sample size". But those stats do look a lot more like real point guard stats than what he was doing in his first three seasons at Miami (about 2.6 assists/2.3 turnovers per game). Maybe some very, very small indication that he was learning to play more like a traditional point guard than a "shoot first" point guard? But these games were against low major competition, and probably don't provide any meaningful data about his style of play. The coaches will have to assess whether Lykes can play the style of PG that they are looking for. But the idea of Lykes is definitely attractive. This board was so fired up about the possibility of getting him coming out of high school. at the time, it felt like he could be the guy that saved the program for JTIII. Then when we ended up signing Waters, it felt like we finally had the PG we needed to get on track. Then Waters changed his mind and went to LSU - and it felt like Akinjo was the PG to save the program. Then that fell apart. This "hunt for the true PG that will save the program" has become a fairly exhausting trope! If we were still playing Princeton offense, I would be all about Lykes coming here. Miami does alot of high ball screens which we do but not in the way that will help us.he is looking to shoot or take it to the hole and not really distribute. Also he pounds the hell out of the ball on offense, Trust me you will hear Pat screaming "Move the Ball" every possession.
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 10, 2021 11:39:17 GMT -5
If Lykes wants to come to the Hilltop to be a score first, ball-dominant guard who thinks thats his ticket to the NBA--then this will not work out.
On the other hand, if Lykes sees his role in any pro-league more as a lightning quick facilitator, who breaks the press easily and knocks down shots when left open, he certainly would be an asset. I trust that Ewing already knows this and if there is any meat to these rumors, Ewing is doing his due diligence to find out.
If this is a choice between Lykes and Baldwin--well that's a different question. But Harmon's tweet aside, I doubt its an either/or scenario.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 10, 2021 12:21:50 GMT -5
Why did he only play 2 games this year?
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Post by trillesthoya on Mar 10, 2021 12:23:11 GMT -5
Why did he only play 2 games this year? Injury
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Post by daymondmyles on Mar 10, 2021 13:14:08 GMT -5
A veteran presence at the point such as Lykes is a no-brainer addition in its own right in a position of need, not to mention the value a good experience with a Gonzaga alum could do for dmv recruiting. Nothing is a no-brainer when it comes to being a culture fit. All I know is that the staff is being very particular with regard to who they bring on from a culture perspective/. They were burned badly by what happened with several guys on the team last year...and they refuse to let that happen again. While I hope no one reads into this too much.....there is a ton of vetting that needs to be done before taking on someone new to the program. I love to hear this. This is the right approach and glad to see the staff learning f from past mistakes.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 10, 2021 13:20:31 GMT -5
Chris Lykes would MASSIVELY move the needle on our roster next season. Miami had losing records because the roster around him stunk. That would not be the case here. Their roster is alot like our roster currently. My holdback is that Lykes is more scorer than Point guard. The roster last year had 4 guys who were top 100 recruits on it besides him. Some of them didn't play up to expectations yes but their roster isn't much different then the current roster now. I dont want a volume scorer at point. I am not saying I am against him if he changes his game but I don't see him coming to this team with our current record and not ball dominating here. His career assists and ast/to show he isnt a distributer Our roster next season will be much different from our roster currently. Chris is a dynamic talent, whether you label him as a scorer or a distributer. He's a much better player than Akinjo...He'd instantly be an all-conference candidate. Unless he's a flat out non fit in the lockerroom, you take him and work the rest out. He's a monster
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 10, 2021 13:40:15 GMT -5
I dont agree with this sentiment. He would help yes but tournament team I dont think he moves the needle that much. Miami had losing records both years he was the focal point of the team. He needs to become more traditional of a PG and not just a volume scorer. Chris Lykes would MASSIVELY move the needle on our roster next season. Miami had losing records because the roster around him stunk. That would not be the case here. Yeah, we could certainly use some help in the back court. I remember seeing clips of him a couple of years and was impressed by his overall style. Dante has done a very good job, but I am sure even he would appreciate some of the burden-sharing.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 10, 2021 14:39:34 GMT -5
I'm torn on Lykes. If he was willing to play a team first role he would be a perfect guy to split PG duties with Harris. But I have major reservations about his willingness to play less than 30 minutes a game and evolve from the scoring PG mentality.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 10, 2021 14:55:49 GMT -5
Do leopards ever lose their spots? Sounds like a pass for me.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 10, 2021 15:36:29 GMT -5
I'm torn on Lykes. If he was willing to play a team first role he would be a perfect guy to split PG duties with Harris. But I have major reservations about his willingness to play less than 30 minutes a game and evolve from the scoring PG mentality. Lykes wouldn't play less than 30 minutes a game if he came here.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 10, 2021 17:42:15 GMT -5
This feels like a McClung to TTU scenario where I am sure their fan base was fired up to get him and now they realize he didn't really move the needle. Small inefficient bad defensive guards rarely do. As others have mentioned he would have to change his game to be a definite asset next year and that is just on offense. He is a terrible defender and I don't see that changing. If he comes the expectations of next years team will certainly change. Until we see how he plays will we really know if the actual results change. We do need another PG for next years team. Give me another Terrell Allen for next year's team all day over Chris Lykes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 17:42:29 GMT -5
I'm torn on Lykes. If he was willing to play a team first role he would be a perfect guy to split PG duties with Harris. But I have major reservations about his willingness to play less than 30 minutes a game and evolve from the scoring PG mentality. Lykes wouldn't play less than 30 minutes a game if he came here. And spend 20 minutes of it dribbling like he plays for the Harlem Globtrotters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 17:55:50 GMT -5
This feels like a McClung to TTU scenario where I am sure their fan base was fired up to get him and now they realize he didn't really move the needle. Small inefficient bad defensive guards rarely do. As others have mentioned he would have to change his game to be a definite asset next year and that is just on offense. He is a terrible defender and I don't see that changing. If he comes the expectations of next years team will certainly change. Until we see how he plays will we really know if the actual results change. We do need another PG for next years team. Give me another Terrell Allen for next year's team all day over Chris Lykes. Whoooa if he's bad on defense, we definitely don't need him. Are you sure he's not good on d???
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dense
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Post by dense on Mar 10, 2021 18:02:23 GMT -5
Lykes wouldn't play less than 30 minutes a game if he came here. And spend 20 minutes of it dribbling like he plays for the Harlem Globtrotters. This!! I mean he is fun to watch but everyone clamoring for him watch even a highlite package and you see the inherent problem with his game with what Pat is trying to do. It's like watching Curly Neal play.
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Post by beenaround on Mar 10, 2021 18:46:37 GMT -5
I would take him in a second. Exciting, massively talented guy. No, his game isn't perfect. So what.
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Post by HoyaDr on Mar 10, 2021 18:54:27 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 10, 2021 18:56:45 GMT -5
Beat me to it. No other confirmation yet, though.
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Post by HoyaDr on Mar 10, 2021 19:00:29 GMT -5
Beat me to it. No other confirmation yet, though. The tweet already deleted...for those that missed it, Freeman basically tweeted that Chris Lykes is a Hoya
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 10, 2021 19:54:22 GMT -5
I haven't made up my mind about whether I'd want Lykes (or any grad-transfer PG--looking at the roster for next year it seems like we need a forward more), but regardless, it's probably not a great look to be announcing any new commitment while (1) the team is still playing and (2) we're over the scholarship limit.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 10, 2021 20:19:59 GMT -5
Well, he could show Dug what his role might be.
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