B. Hayes

[FrazierFanatic]

Dec 10, 2015 19:42:21 GMT -5 EasyEd said:

Hopefully the discussions in this thread will turn to Bradley this year.

That'll be a couple of years from now. When we have another guy who plays limited minutes as a soph/junior.

[tashoya]

Dec 10, 2015 12:58:12 GMT -5 guru said:

Dec 10, 2015 10:09:54 GMT -5 Cambridge said:

Embarassingly? Wow. I could get on board with disappointing, but that's a bridge too far. Maybe he didn't play up to his potential. Maybe he didn't hold up his end in the classroom. But, he put up some great games for the Hoyas, he caused no scandal, and there were no reports that he wasn't putting in the effort in practice or otherwise while with the team.

I believe that a player leaving school immediately after the season concludes, not even bothering to show up for the team's annual banquet (and thereby disrepecting his coaches, teammates, supporters and university in one fell swoop) is embarrassing behavior. When/if it happens at one of our rival schools, we would rightly ridicule that program.

It's fine that others don't agree with me on this. I just found his behavior pretty reprehensible and not worth the few "great games" he put up for the basketball team.

Embarrassment is subjective but, if anyone should be embarrassed, it's Joshua and not the University. They gave him a chance and needed his services. I don't know what happened on the school's side of things but Joshua clearly wasn't particularly concerned with getting a degree or even showing up for a celebration of the work the guys put in and all that they did to represent the school. Those are personal choices on his part and, unless it's a pattern, I don't think it reflects much other than Joshua was who he was. To add Greg to the conversation is silly. Very different situations.

I was a bit surprised by how it went down because Joshua seemed like a smart guy that was happy with his move to Georgetown. Then again, one can only get so much from interviews and video clips. He's not a guy that I'm sorry that Georgetown took a chance on. Did it work out great in the end? No. But He seemed to be saying the right things and he did seem like he was a team guy. He also seemed like a school guy to me but, as I'm often reminded as I get older, I know very little about most things much less about the mindset of a guy in his early twenties that happened to go to the same college that I did whom I've never met.

[hoyajinx]

Dec 10, 2015 23:45:15 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

Dec 10, 2015 19:42:21 GMT -5 EasyEd said:

Hopefully the discussions in this thread will turn to Bradley this year.

That'll be a couple of years from now. When we have another guy who plays limited minutes as a soph/junior.

This is the future of the Trey Mourning thread.

[prhoya]

Dec 11, 2015 0:19:08 GMT -5 hoyajinx said:

Dec 10, 2015 23:45:15 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

That'll be a couple of years from now. When we have another guy who plays limited minutes as a soph/junior.

This is the future of the Trey Mourning thread.

Play Trey!

[prhoya]

Dec 10, 2015 12:03:38 GMT -5 swhoya said:

I have a theory--and I admit it is a total complete pulling it out of my you-know-what theory--that Josh Smith might have been the best thing to happen to this year's team, vis a vis Hayes' hook shot.

Putting aside whether Hayes should have gotten more of Hops or Smith's minutes last year (I'm going to trust that he just wasn't there yet, but you believe whatever floats your boat since none of us actually know), it's important to remember that Hayes was having to go up daily against a guy who was without question heavier and stronger than he was. So if you're not able to muscle your way to the basket, what do you do?

You learn to shoot over him. You don't want to square up to the basket from 2-3 feet away, and while some on this board probably don't agree, Smith did have pretty fast hands. So I have to believe that Hayes spent two years going up against Smith and the only offensive weapon available to him would have been the hook shot. Hayes wouldn't have been able to drop step against him, Smith was too wide to move around. The best thing Hayes could have done against a guy with Smith's bulk was a quick hook shot that would have been impossible for Smith to block. And I"m sure Hayes got accustomed to body contact while shooting it as well and learned to adjust.

I'm probably totally wrong. But he's just so comfortable (and is so quick) with that shot that it's the only thing that makes sense to me. Get the ball and get the one shot off quickly before Smith smothers you. And repeat.

So there. I'm staking a claim that, whatever he did in season the last two years, Smith was a huge benefit to this year's team (no pun intended).

Nice take! Joshua's girth might be why Bradley can hit that hooker all the way to the "East" of the "Big East" and from both sides of the basket with both hands.

[calhoya]

Dec 11, 2015 0:12:31 GMT -5 tashoya said:

Dec 10, 2015 12:58:12 GMT -5 guru said:

I believe that a player leaving school immediately after the season concludes, not even bothering to show up for the team's annual banquet (and thereby disrepecting his coaches, teammates, supporters and university in one fell swoop) is embarrassing behavior. When/if it happens at one of our rival schools, we would rightly ridicule that program.

It's fine that others don't agree with me on this. I just found his behavior pretty reprehensible and not worth the few "great games" he put up for the basketball team.

Embarrassment is subjective but, if anyone should be embarrassed, it's Joshua and not the University. They gave him a chance and needed his services. I don't know what happened on the school's side of things but Joshua clearly wasn't particularly concerned with getting a degree or even showing up for a celebration of the work the guys put in and all that they did to represent the school. Those are personal choices on his part and, unless it's a pattern, I don't think it reflects much other than Joshua was who he was. To add Greg to the conversation is silly. Very different situations.

I was a bit surprised by how it went down because Joshua seemed like a smart guy that was happy with his move to Georgetown. Then again, one can only get so much from interviews and video clips. He's not a guy that I'm sorry that Georgetown took a chance on. Did it work out great in the end? No. But He seemed to be saying the right things and he did seem like he was a team guy. He also seemed like a school guy to me but, as I'm often reminded as I get older, I know very little about most things much less about the mindset of a guy in his early twenties that happened to go to the same college that I did whom I've never met.

I have been critical of Joshua both during his time at UCLA and with the Hoyas. The kid just baffles, blessed with a world of talent and opportunity, but somehow lacking in the area of self-discipline necessary to capitalize on that talent. I thought that bringing him in was a desperation move for the coach and it did change the entire dynamic of the team's play. Because of his conditioning issues he was the proverbial square peg fitting poorly with the rest of the team which was built for a different style of play. Nevertheless from what I could tell at a great distance he did not seem to be a bad teammate. He was not a selfish player. He was quiet and seemed to fit in with the team off the court and, yes, he had several moments in games where his talent and skills were clearly on display. I also understand that players often drop out of school after the final season to prepare for the draft. In Josh's case the preparation required from a conditioning perspective was going to take his full attention and he had already demonstrated like others across the country that his priority was not getting a degree. Still, it is difficult to understand his failure to show up for the banquet (or some other forum) to publicly support the coach and teammates who had given him a chance, not once, but twice, after he failed to capitalize on his opportunities at UCLA.

[prhoya]

Dec 10, 2015 23:45:15 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

Dec 10, 2015 19:42:21 GMT -5 EasyEd said:

Hopefully the discussions in this thread will turn to Bradley this year.

That'll be a couple of years from now. When we have another guy who plays limited minutes as a soph/junior.

Nice quote from JT3 from one of the linked articles:
“We played a lot of people a lot of minutes this year,” said Thompson. “A lot of people have gotten substantive minutes against good teams in key situations. Conventional wisdom says that will help down the line.”

JT3 adjusting!

[DanMcQ]

[EtomicB]

Dec 22, 2015 13:30:35 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

Very nice read..

Any production he gives the team is gravy imo..

[hoyasaxa2003]

Great article.

[tashoya]

I really respect the fact that Bradley gave Jessie a big hug and seemed to make a point to praise him for his game today while doing so. Everything I've seen and read about Hayes screams team guy. Even during a breakout year for Bradley personally, he's making the effort to praise the guy that is taking some of his minutes. Love it.

[lichoya68]

ok bradley money time time to get CONFIDENCE and back to early season bradley YOU CAN DO IT its all about the confidence GET MUCH MORE MEANIER WRIGHT NOW the hoyas need you with you and jesse we could be very very very good but need it right NOW>

[Hoyas4Ever]

Bradley Hayes, Georgetown: Hayes was a total non-factor in his first three seasons with the Hoyas but has emerged as the best low-post scorer for this Georgetown team, averaging 9.4 points and 6.6 boards.

[Hoyas4Ever]

[DanMcQ]

[DanMcQ]

jacksonville.com/sports/college/2016-02-11/story/sandalwood-grad-bradley-hayes-grows-key-role-georgetown

[hoyas315]

[Hoyas4Ever]

Man you gotta feel bad for this kid. Excuse the poor pun but he can't catch a break. His whole high school career he has been hurt. Different times throughout his college years he's been hurt including not being able to play in Italy last summer and now as his senior season is heading down the stretch and he is finally a big time contributor he breaks his hand. I hope Bradley Hayes keeps his head up and heals quickly. Tough break literally and figuratively!

[tashoya]

Feb 13, 2016 11:37:56 GMT -5 Hoyas4Ever said:

Man you gotta feel bad for this kid. Excuse the poor pun but he can't catch a break. His whole high school career he has been hurt. Different times throughout his college years he's been hurt including not being able to play in Italy last summer and now as his senior season is heading down the stretch and he is finally a big time contributor he breaks his hand. I hope Bradley Hayes keeps his head up and heals quickly. Tough break literally and figuratively!

I agree completely. Awful for Bradley personally not to mention what the team will miss. Best wishes for a speedy and full recovery. Get well B Hayes.

[DFW HOYA]

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If fouls become a problem against Bentil, who's third on the depth chart?