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Post by blueandgray on Dec 7, 2015 16:10:48 GMT -5
Not only is he becoming a "go to" guy on the court, but he is a leader in the locker room. It's no accident that he is a team captain.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 7, 2015 17:34:25 GMT -5
Bradley Hayes should have played his soph year. JTIII comment "For the last three years, B.J. has worked extremely hard. It"s not like he just started working this summer. He just now has a coach who is now putting him in the game." says a lot. I think he knows his handling of Bradley was not good. Right, okay.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 7, 2015 17:52:20 GMT -5
Not only is he becoming a "go to" guy on the court, but he is a leader in the locker room. It's no accident that he is a team captain. Not a surprise. Even though playing little before this year, Bradley has always been fully involved from the bench, encouraging and cheering, commiserating and consoling. A fantastic teammate.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 7, 2015 17:55:42 GMT -5
Though different types of players, Don Reid made a nice career with a lot less than Hayes has talent-wise.
Not saying Hayes will, but the raw materials are there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 18:00:26 GMT -5
Glad he's playing well enough to make this debate occur especially since 99% of the board had him coming off the bench and playing maybe 10-20 min a game...
My feeling is just enjoy it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 18:04:42 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 7, 2015 18:42:14 GMT -5
Glad he's playing well enough to make this debate occur especially since 99% of the board had him coming off the bench and playing maybe 10-20 min a game... My feeling is just enjoy it. Agreed Yaboy.. I'll officially take this Hayes chip off my shoulder for the remainder of what I believe will be a memorable season..
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Post by michaeldm9 on Dec 7, 2015 19:53:35 GMT -5
Bradley Hayes should have played his soph year. JTIII comment "For the last three years, B.J. has worked extremely hard. It"s not like he just started working this summer. He just now has a coach who is now putting him in the game." says a lot. I think he knows his handling of Bradley was not good. Right, okay. Rock I just want due. Everyone should bow down :-). LOL
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Post by prhoya on Dec 7, 2015 20:59:30 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 7, 2015 21:03:05 GMT -5
I was going to comment after Saturday that all I want from Bradley is consistency. He's shown he can do it at this level, will he do it every game? Tonight was a plus for sure, he started a little slow and was limited in PT (for good reasons) but still got a double-double. All I want from a big man is to make their money on the boards and Hayes is definitely doing that.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 7, 2015 21:04:14 GMT -5
Bradley is a class act and that hook is an NBA ticket!!
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Post by dreamhoya on Dec 7, 2015 21:28:27 GMT -5
my has the tide turned on this guy. he was supposedly a "bum" that didn't deserve to play up until the tourney last year. sigh...
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Post by tashoya on Dec 7, 2015 23:07:31 GMT -5
Rock I just want due. Everyone should bow down :-). LOL Due for what? You may be able to argue that he should have gotten more run the second half of last year but his sophomore year is a huge reach. It's always great to see a kid that puts in the work see that work pay off. It's impossible not to root for Bradley knowing that he came to the game late, knew he was going to be a "project" and get limited minutes and still continue to do what is necessary to see what may come of it. It's not easy to keep that discipline not knowing if the effort will ever amount to a payoff that will make it seem worth it. There's a valuable lesson in that too but it's much more fun when it does actually pay off. Add to that that he seems like a really good guy and a team first guy to boot. I still think that there will be games that he will play less because we have depth and because I believe that Govan will improve to a point where his different skillset will allow that matchup switching to happen. That's great for the team. And, hopefully, motivation for both guys to keep working their butts off. As for tonight, Bradley is looking more sure of the right play with each passing game. He's keeping the ball high and is putting it on the floor less. He's establishing better position before receiving the ball as opposed to trying to get position after receiving it. I love seeing that and that will do nothing but help his game and open up more options for him. When he's down low and gets that pass, he can take it himself (depending on the D and who he has pinned) or, assuming the defense collapses a bit on him because they have to, he can kick to an open shooter or cutter. More often than not, he's going to be against a smaller defender and, if he's hitting consistently, take those shots when available. But it's also important to not be completely one dimensional to keep the defense honest. I think he's improved in that area already and I like his improvement in moving his feet on defense. For his sake and for the sake of our Hoyas, I hope the progression continues for him. It's interesting, I guess, to debate his first three years. But it's much more fun to root for his senior season. We can discuss the past ad nauseum (it's HoyaTalk after all) when his time as a Hoya is done.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 7, 2015 23:18:04 GMT -5
Rock I just want due. Everyone should bow down :-). LOL Due for what? You may be able to argue that he should have gotten more run the second half of last year but his sophomore year is a huge reach. It's always great to see a kid that puts in the work see that work pay off. It's impossible not to root for Bradley knowing that he came to the game late, knew he was going to be a "project" and get limited minutes and still continue to do what is necessary to see what may come of it. It's not easy to keep that discipline not knowing if the effort will ever amount to a payoff that will make it seem worth it. There's a valuable lesson in that too but it's much more fun when it does actually pay off. Add to that that he seems like a really good guy and a team first guy to boot. I still think that there will be games that he will play less because we have depth and because I believe that Govan will improve to a point where his different skillset will allow that matchup switching to happen. That's great for the team. And, hopefully, motivation for both guys to keep working their butts off. As for tonight, Bradley is looking more sure of the right play with each passing game. He's keeping the ball high and is putting it on the floor less. He's establishing better position before receiving the ball as opposed to trying to get position after receiving it. I love seeing that and that will do nothing but help his game and open up more options for him. When he's down low and gets that pass, he can take it himself (depending on the D and who he has pinned) or, assuming the defense collapses a bit on him because they have to, he can kick to an open shooter or cutter. More often than not, he's going to be against a smaller defender and, if he's hitting consistently, take those shots when available. But it's also important to not be completely one dimensional to keep the defense honest. I think he's improved in that area already and I like his improvement in moving his feet on defense. For his sake and for the sake of our Hoyas, I hope the progression continues for him. It's interesting, I guess, to debate his first three years. But it's much more fun to root for his senior season. We can discuss the past ad nauseum (it's HoyaTalk after all) when his time as a Hoya is done. Let's face it most of the guys who "discovered" him were basing it simply on the fact that he was 7 feet. As laydn said you can't coach height. But there was little data on him either in college or at high school since he was pretty unknown in high school/aau and was out with a broken leg in high school as well.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 7, 2015 23:34:57 GMT -5
Due for what? You may be able to argue that he should have gotten more run the second half of last year but his sophomore year is a huge reach. It's always great to see a kid that puts in the work see that work pay off. It's impossible not to root for Bradley knowing that he came to the game late, knew he was going to be a "project" and get limited minutes and still continue to do what is necessary to see what may come of it. It's not easy to keep that discipline not knowing if the effort will ever amount to a payoff that will make it seem worth it. There's a valuable lesson in that too but it's much more fun when it does actually pay off. Add to that that he seems like a really good guy and a team first guy to boot. I still think that there will be games that he will play less because we have depth and because I believe that Govan will improve to a point where his different skillset will allow that matchup switching to happen. That's great for the team. And, hopefully, motivation for both guys to keep working their butts off. As for tonight, Bradley is looking more sure of the right play with each passing game. He's keeping the ball high and is putting it on the floor less. He's establishing better position before receiving the ball as opposed to trying to get position after receiving it. I love seeing that and that will do nothing but help his game and open up more options for him. When he's down low and gets that pass, he can take it himself (depending on the D and who he has pinned) or, assuming the defense collapses a bit on him because they have to, he can kick to an open shooter or cutter. More often than not, he's going to be against a smaller defender and, if he's hitting consistently, take those shots when available. But it's also important to not be completely one dimensional to keep the defense honest. I think he's improved in that area already and I like his improvement in moving his feet on defense. For his sake and for the sake of our Hoyas, I hope the progression continues for him. It's interesting, I guess, to debate his first three years. But it's much more fun to root for his senior season. We can discuss the past ad nauseum (it's HoyaTalk after all) when his time as a Hoya is done. Let's face it most of the guys who "discovered" him were basing it simply on the fact that he was 7 feet. As laydn said you can't coach height. But there was little data on him either in college or at high school since he was pretty unknown in high school/aau and was out with a broken leg in high school as well. Good point. And, for his size, he moves well. Even today, Big Roy looks a bit clunky running down the court as do many guys his size. Bradley looks like a kid that was an athletic, coordinated kid that just shot up in height in HS and took a while to adjust. He's not a great leaper but he's a decent athlete. Add to that the fact that he's sort of doing a Reggie where he's learning where to be and what to do and it is helping him to worry less and to just play. At least that's the way it seems to me. I'm hoping that he goes out on a huge high note in his final season. The funny thing is, you can't really "win" this discussion. If he came along quicker and became a great player, he'd have left for a professional league in all likelihood. If he comes along too slowly, the coaching staff sucks and doesn't develop players or doesn't give guys enough time. If he got a bunch of time and he wasn't ready for the prime time, the coaches can't recruit well enough or didn't do enough to develop him. But some dude at home on his couch, in the time it takes to order and receive delivery Chinese food, can see part of one game against a crap team and make an assessment of a player or pass an indictment on the staff that sees the guy every single day in practice against solid competition and chooses to give him the minutes they choose to give him. A staff, mind you, that are paid well to coach and evaluate talent for a living because, presumably, they sort of know what they're doing.
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Post by IDenj on Dec 7, 2015 23:50:29 GMT -5
Unless someone here has a time machine there's nothing that can be done about his minutes from yesteryear.
Let's move on shall we?
My question is can be continue to improve and develop into a player on the NBA radar?
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Post by prhoya on Dec 8, 2015 0:00:03 GMT -5
But some dude at home on his couch, in the time it takes to order and receive delivery Chinese food, can see part of one game against a crap team and make an assessment of a player or pass an indictment on the staff that sees the guy every single day in practice against solid competition and chooses to give him the minutes they choose to give him. A staff, mind you, that are paid well to coach and evaluate talent for a living because, presumably, they sort of know what they're doing. This is the Magic Wand Theory. Although not used at all (or barely) throughout both seasons, JT3 was forced to play Bradley in two of GU's most important games of the season in his sophomore (against FSU in the NIT) and his junior year, and magically he played well, yet the rest of those seasons he sucked enough in practice that the coaching staff didn't use him in games throughout both seasons.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 8, 2015 0:05:06 GMT -5
My question is can be continue to improve and develop into a player on the NBA radar? You don't think that the NBA scouts are at least intrigue by now? A GU Big Man scoring in double figures with a hook for a weapon? Of course, they're probably asking why he didn't play last year. A legitimate question. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 8, 2015 0:08:23 GMT -5
Let's face it most of the guys who "discovered" him were basing it simply on the fact that he was 7 feet. As laydn said you can't coach height. But there was little data on him either in college or at high school since he was pretty unknown in high school/aau and was out with a broken leg in high school as well. Good point. And, for his size, he moves well. Even today, Big Roy looks a bit clunky running down the court as do many guys his size. Bradley looks like a kid that was an athletic, coordinated kid that just shot up in height in HS and took a while to adjust. He's not a great leaper but he's a decent athlete. Add to that the fact that he's sort of doing a Reggie where he's learning where to be and what to do and it is helping him to worry less and to just play. At least that's the way it seems to me. I'm hoping that he goes out on a huge high note in his final season. The funny thing is, you can't really "win" this discussion. If he came along quicker and became a great player, he'd have left for a professional league in all likelihood. If he comes along too slowly, the coaching staff sucks and doesn't develop players or doesn't give guys enough time. If he got a bunch of time and he wasn't ready for the prime time, the coaches can't recruit well enough or didn't do enough to develop him. But some dude at home on his couch, in the time it takes to order and receive delivery Chinese food, can see part of one game against a crap team and make an assessment of a player or pass an indictment on the staff that sees the guy every single day in practice against solid competition and chooses to give him the minutes they choose to give him. A staff, mind you, that are paid well to coach and evaluate talent for a living because, presumably, they sort of know what they're doing. Also, what's often overlooked is he's simply a much bigger and stronger guy than even last years tournament game against Eastern Washington. Last year he was listed at 250 lbs and this year Georgetown has him listed at 275 lbs. He simply can't be pushed around like in the past and he can overpower people at 275 lbs. That's dedication in the weight room along with the development of his hook shot (which also wasn't there last year).
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 8, 2015 0:16:47 GMT -5
Unless someone here has a time machine there's nothing that can be done about his minutes from yesteryear. Let's move on shall we? My question is can be continue to improve and develop into a player on the NBA radar? If prime Shaq were in the league yes, because you would need big bodies. I dunno hard to say because the league is moving to small ball at the center position and kind of those Euro 3pt guys like Porzingius. I guess you still have guys like the Lopez brothers and Asik. Hayes is your traditional big man but league has been moving away from that for quite some time now. His defense would have to improve. He doesn't block shots and I'm not sure if it's because he does or does not have elite wingspan (even Gortat has a 7-6 wingspan) or because he's still working on that part of his game. Then you need at least a mid range game like Asik or Gortat. He's shown a work ethic and dedication so you can't rule it out. Even getting a Brian Zoubec like NCAA run, I would take that but Zoubec never made the NBA and opened a candy store in New Jersey. Henry Sims who was probably more defensively advanced and could drive to the basket made it with the 76ers but now is out of the league. It's hard to say. I would just enjoy his development at this level now and worry about that stuff later.
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