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Post by michaeldm9 on Nov 21, 2013 15:50:12 GMT -5
I have never come down on III despite the recent ncaa debacles but how can this team STILL have no idea how to attack a zone? this is several years that these teams have no plan on how to score against a zone. just an inexcusable performance by III and the upperclassmen on this team. no leadership on the bench or the court on this team. It's not JTIII or the Hoyas. It's the composition of this year's team. We aren't long and tall like we were last year at the wings. And we lack anyone (outside of Jabril) who can really dribble penetrate. And right now nobody is making them pay from 3pt line against the zone. That lack of length also hurts us on offensive rebounds because the zone will give up alot of offensive rebound opportunites. Remember last year we had alot of success against the zone because one we could see over it and two we had Otto to break the zone. It's going to take some time to find what line ups work best against the zone. I think more Moses is a big key in terms of offensive rebounds vs the zone. And Jabril as the primary ball handler/point vs the zone. Against the zone I would have Jabril at point with Markel and DSR on the wings of the perimeter, Josh Smith in the middle and Moses running the baseline. That is the best line up vs the zone. Northeastern did nothing that the team should have lost today. Not a lot of 3s, did shoot a real high percentage from 2. Even had double digit turnover. GTown played STUPID!!!! |
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Post by guru on Nov 21, 2013 15:51:35 GMT -5
There's just not a lot of talent on this team. People say "we only lost Otto". That's true, but he opened up so much for the other players on the offensive end being the focus of other defenses, and he took care of defense and rebounding at a very high level. Fast forward to this year and the rest of the guys don't see as many open looks because opponents don't have to worry about Otto, and we have a serious dropoff on defense and rebounding without him. Our skilled players are not athletic (Smith, DSR, Starks, Lubick) and our athletic players are not skilled (Hopkins, Bowen, Ayegba, Trawick). Cameron is a wild card and I am holding out hope, but I suspect he will be another skilled, unathletic player who can score sometimes and is a liability on defense and rebounding. Also Otto was basically the whole team last year, so hearing "we just lost Otto" should make us all pause... |
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Post by NCHoya on Nov 21, 2013 15:54:06 GMT -5
Very disappointing. At least it is November, but this team has some sever limitations we are not used to seeing.
Is Joshua Smith a plus or minus for this specific team? He is not rebounding and cannot play defense. This team is short on both of those to begin with so is his post play on offense worth the trade off? I don't know yet, but it is clearly something that needs to be in balance.
The composition of this team makes me fearful for this season. I really just do not like the way our parts fit, and I agree, Lubick cannot continue to get these minutes if he is not going to be a threat to score.
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Post by blueeagle on Nov 21, 2013 15:54:53 GMT -5
For those that saw the game, how did Northeastern score? Cuts to the basket, second chance points, dribble penetration, fastbreak points? The lack of D against a supposedly bad squad is very distressing.
Were we just outworked? Was Smith still a liability on D?
Still a long season ahead. The coach though needs to start making adjustments with game preparation, rotations, etc. If we don't have the talent this year, we should at least have the effort.
Pete Carrill and JTII must be puzzled, if not, disappointed.
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Post by jester on Nov 21, 2013 15:55:15 GMT -5
I agree not having a strong SF hurts...but let's be honest. We have plenty of experienced upperclassmen - who are just very limited right now. We have Lubick who was voted by Coaches to be the best PF entering the Big East his freshmen year - he's been ok, but not great (especially at the one position in PF over the years where we havent had stronger players (ie Wright, Freeman, Otto, Sims, Smith). We have Aaron Bowen who just doess't have the shot/IQ he needs at his position. We have Moses who has done nothing the last two games. We have Jabril who has decent defensive potential but limited offensive game right now.
That leaves scoring to come from Starks - who everyone agrees is the most important player on this team. But like others pointed out, when the other upperclassmen cant score after three-four years, and your senior floor general is struggling to dictate the offense...the staff's ability to prep/develop its players gets a knock.
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Post by guru on Nov 21, 2013 15:57:16 GMT -5
Very disappointing. At least it is November, but this team has some sever limitations we are not used to seeing. Is Joshua Smith a plus or minus for this specific team? He is not rebounding and cannot play defense. This team is short on both of those to begin with so is his post play on offense worth the trade off? I don't know yet, but it is clearly something that needs to be in balance. The composition of this team makes me fearful for this season. I really just do not like the way our parts fit, and I agree, Lubick cannot continue to get these minutes if he is not going to be a threat to score. Its not just the lack of scoring. Lubick threw the ball to the other team TWICE in the final minutes. Huge mistakes and inexcusable for any player, let alone a senior captain. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 15:57:18 GMT -5
Check the shot chart from the 2nd half. Northeastern took 2 shots in the entire half outside the paint, and not a single three-pointer. Meanwhile, we're chucking from all over the damn arena. That's not the problem though. They are playing 2-3 zone which is conceding the 3pt shot. The problem is most of the lineups we have have no offensive rebounding to collect misses. We are also alot smaller than last year especially at the guard and wing positions. Also right now we lack a zone breaking dribble penetration guard or guy who can flash to the circle (like Otto did last year). Jabril is probably our best guy at dribble penetration but he's not the primary ball handler as Markel and DSR are 1 and 2 behind Jabril gets touches. I pointed it out to highlight that Northeastern figured something out at halftime (penetrate/get the ball inside), and were able to execute it over and over again, encountering little to no resistance. We - on the other hand - allowed them to dictate that we shoot from the perimeter (which we seem to be very willing to do against inferior opponents), and when that wasn't working, we just figured we'd shoot our way out of it. When that didn't work, we shot some more. What's the definition of insanity again? So, we didn't make any adjustments on either end of the court for basically the last 17 minutes of the game. Horrible basketball IQ by our guys today. |
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2013 15:58:07 GMT -5
Very disappointing. At least it is November, but this team has some sever limitations we are not used to seeing. Is Joshua Smith a plus or minus for this specific team? He is not rebounding and cannot play defense. This team is short on both of those to begin with so is his post play on offense worth the trade off? I don't know yet, but it is clearly something that needs to be in balance. The composition of this team makes me fearful for this season. I really just do not like the way our parts fit, and I agree, Lubick cannot continue to get these minutes if he is not going to be a threat to score. I think you have to pair Joshua Smith with Moses. That needs to be the unit. That way Moses can grab rebound and block shots to cover for Smith while Smith can seal off his man with his size. Lubick is not a defensive shot blocking intimidator and neither is Hopkins. And rebounding wise Lubick is okay but is just not as strong as Moses. |
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Post by calhoya on Nov 21, 2013 15:59:27 GMT -5
Really not easy to comprehend how they could have lost, but the key is that when Starks, Lubick and DSR play as they did today, this team will not win many games. No one expected the outside shooting and guard play to be this big a problem, but thus far the guards have been pretty bad in two of the three games played. Disappointed with the limited touches for Cameron despite considerable time on the floor.
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Post by michaeldm9 on Nov 21, 2013 15:59:32 GMT -5
I am looking at the Positive side. Nate has not fouled a 3 point shooter this season yet. He is improving.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2013 16:01:47 GMT -5
For those that saw the game, how did Northeastern score? Cuts to the basket, second chance points, dribble penetration, fastbreak points? The lack of D against a supposedly bad squad is very distressing. Were we just outworked? Was Smith still a liability on D? Still a long season ahead. The coach though needs to start making adjustments with game preparation, rotations, etc. If we don't have the talent this year, we should at least have the effort. Pete Carrill and JTII must be puzzled, if not, disappointed. Basically Northeastern was longer and taller than us in the back court and wings and were able to dominate the offensive glass with their length to get multiple opportunities to score. Kind of like when we had Otto at the 3 and Greg Whittington at the 2. As far as the Princeton, you can't run the Princeton Offense against a zone. Princeton works vs man to man defense. So nobody's really puzzled by what happened. They went zone but we couldn't hit 3s nor rebound. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 16:02:44 GMT -5
Well, we committed 24 errors, and their pitcher threw a no hitter against us, but there is some good news!
Two of our runners almost managed to get to first base, and we did hit seventeen foul balls!
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2013 16:03:18 GMT -5
Really not easy to comprehend how they could have lost, but the key is that when Starks, Lubick and DSR play as they did today, this team will not win many games. No one expected the outside shooting and guard play to be this big a problem, but thus far the guards have been pretty bad in two of the three games played. Disappointed with the limited touches for Cameron despite considerable time on the floor. DSR played well. Towards the end of the game he was the only one offensively who kept us in the game till the last minute. He stepped up while others disappeared in crunch time. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 21, 2013 16:03:45 GMT -5
For those that saw the game, how did Northeastern score? Cuts to the basket, second chance points, dribble penetration, fastbreak points? The lack of D against a supposedly bad squad is very distressing. Were we just outworked? Was Smith still a liability on D? Still a long season ahead. The coach though needs to start making adjustments with game preparation, rotations, etc. If we don't have the talent this year, we should at least have the effort. Pete Carrill and JTII must be puzzled, if not, disappointed. All of the above. And more. We had a double digit lead in the second half, then the guards got lazy/greedy and started chucking errant 3-pointers. Our defense, both man and zone, allowed inside shot after shot, whether we were beaten on the dribble out front, or lost our men in the zone. An all-around debacle. |
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2013 16:05:26 GMT -5
Very disappointing. At least it is November, but this team has some sever limitations we are not used to seeing. Is Joshua Smith a plus or minus for this specific team? He is not rebounding and cannot play defense. This team is short on both of those to begin with so is his post play on offense worth the trade off? I don't know yet, but it is clearly something that needs to be in balance. The composition of this team makes me fearful for this season. I really just do not like the way our parts fit, and I agree, Lubick cannot continue to get these minutes if he is not going to be a threat to score. Its not just the lack of scoring. Lubick threw the ball to the other team TWICE in the final minutes. Huge mistakes and inexcusable for any player, let alone a senior captain. Yup he turned it over twice for easy jams by Northeastern. That is basically a potential 8 pt swing. He didn't make those kinds of mistakes last year so it seems like he's regressed. Of course we don't have Otto either so it may simply be that people are playing tighter on Lubick since they don't have to worry about doubling and tripling on Otto. |
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Post by michaeldm9 on Nov 21, 2013 16:05:58 GMT -5
I knew the team was in trouble. All I do is look at the FT statistics. Should have been a blow out like Oregon. The only problem was Northeastern missed so many FT. All the comment about the talent and team make up as being the problem. No. Research the teams losses.
90 % of the GTown losses you would see that the overwhelming statistic if FT disparity.
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Post by deacon on Nov 21, 2013 16:07:13 GMT -5
Really not easy to comprehend how they could have lost, but the key is that when Starks, Lubick and DSR play as they did today, this team will not win many games. No one expected the outside shooting and guard play to be this big a problem, but thus far the guards have been pretty bad in two of the three games played. Disappointed with the limited touches for Cameron despite considerable time on the floor. DSR played well. Towards the end of the game he was the only one offensively who kept us in the game till the last minute. He stepped up while others disappeared in crunch time. DSR didn't play well, and for that matter, no one did. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 21, 2013 16:09:01 GMT -5
That was an abomination. If this is the level of performance we can consistently expect this year (and maybe it is, since as many have pointed out above, the pieces on this team don't seem to fit very well), we may not make it to the NIT, much less the NCAA.
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 21, 2013 16:09:21 GMT -5
Anybody hear JT3's interview at halftime. He said its not about them its about us. We need to take the high percentage shots and force them to take low percentage shots. Well that didn't happen Didn't hear that. Very disappointing. True that we had to execute better against their zone but they were showing us a zone look that we haven't seen yet this year, plenty of adjustments could have been made. |
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Post by hoyabinx on Nov 21, 2013 16:10:35 GMT -5
I knew the team was in trouble. All I do is look at the FT statistics. Should have been a blow out like Oregon. The only problem was Northeastern missed so many FT. All the comment about the talent and team make up as being the problem. No. Research the teams losses. 90 % of the GTown losses you would see that the overwhelming statistic if FT disparity. Oregon was a blowout? I don't think that word means what you think it means. |
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