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Post by sheasdad on Nov 21, 2021 13:50:54 GMT -5
I'll leave the recruiting up to the coaching staff but here's what I know:
1. College running is a major step up from high school and the vast majority of kids don't improve significantly enough to make the team. The winner of NXN Cross will run just under 15 minutes; the 100th place guy yesterday at Nationals went thru the 5K mark of the 10K at a faster pace.
2. NCAA rules limit D1 mens teams to 12.5 scholarships. That covers Cross Country, Indoor and Outdoor track and all four classes of students. Distance runners who can run three sports per year and multiple events therefore offer more bang for your buck than a hammer thrower by example. Committing to a four year scholarship for a kid who doesn't pan out but won't quit is a major pain for a coach.
3. Our local high school has probably the best girls high school team in the country right now. But I will bet that none of these girls make much of any impact in D1 running. The school has dominated girls high school running on a national level for the past 20 years and only 2-3 of those girls ever became college stars of the hundreds that went thru the program. That school is one of a handful nationally that has "figured it out" and most of these kids are burned out and maxxed out by the time they graduate.
4. There is a bias in college sports now towards international runners and graduate students. More mature, better attitudes, proven commodities and short term commitments are the rational. Georgetown faces challenges bringing in the international runners from an academics perspective; but the school's large graduate program offerings make a great lure for runners with additional eligibility.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 22, 2021 20:39:52 GMT -5
Agreed with sheasdad.
1. Yes, the runners go from 5K to 8K and 10K and as sheasdad mentioned there is increased quality all across the board in college. It also is apparent going from middle school to high school. I had a runner, who in 8th grade was probably the 5th or 6th best on our team, but in high school with an increase in mileage from 10-15 miles per week to 30-45 mpw and increased intensity, he went from not breaking 6 minutes in the mile to running sub 17 minutes for 5K on his HS varsity team as a junior.
2. 12.5 scholies for all four years is a bummer. How do you handle giving out scholarships? What runners get a full ride? It always amazing me that these state schools (Power5) get such big and elite teams.
3. Sometimes a coach exploits the freshman, who has run some great times right off the bat. I would think that gradual improvement would be the name of the game, but the temptation to have an elite runner is always there. There have been some talk on one of the letsrun.com threads about Nico Young, who came in 4th as a freshman at the spring NCAA this year, but only came in 11th on Saturday at the 2nd National of the year. Some think this might be the start of burnout. I wouldn't go that far, but it is interesting and needs further examinations.
4. That is for sure. Some of the teams run mostly international runners, Alabama and Arkansas run lots of Kenyans, for example. I think the pandemic had much to do with the grad or undergrad transfers. The promise of an extra year of eligibility due to the pandemic had an impact on the number of transfers. Yes, Georgetown has taken advantage of this as well with about four transfers on the men's XC team and two on the women's team.
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Post by reformation on Nov 23, 2021 6:28:23 GMT -5
I think Georgetown's issue with international recruits(and students in general) is mainly a money thing.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 27, 2021 14:55:48 GMT -5
In the Midwest Eastbay (formerly Footlocker) race:
31 209 Mary Grace Hegberg 12 ARLINGTON HEIGHTS IL 18:16.7 5:53
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 27, 2021 15:29:10 GMT -5
Cate Jouquin was running 9th in the Div 2 California state XC meet at 2.05 miles, but she disappeared at the end.
JOAQUIN, Cait SR 1631 St Francis-Sac-SJS -- DNF --- --- 5:28.0 (13) 12:10.8 (9)
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 27, 2021 15:31:58 GMT -5
Jackson Barna was entered in the Eastbay (Formerly Footlocker) Northeast race, but was not listed in the results.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 4, 2021 13:39:09 GMT -5
Jackson ran in the Boys 5000 Meter Run Gold Garmin RunningLane Cross Country Championships This is the de facto national high school championship. Newbury Park is the best HS XC team in history. They finished 4 of the top 6. Jackson ran a very good 8th place.
1 Colin Sahlman Newbury Park XC Club14:03.29 2 Leo Young Newbury Park XC Club14:05.07 3 Lex Young Newbury Park XC Club14:05.49 4 Zane Bergen NIWOT14:09.91 5 Riley Hough Unattached14:10.56 6 Aaron Sahlman Newbury Park XC Club14:14.38 7 Aidan Cox Unattached14:18.43 8 Jackson Barna Unattached14:22.14 9 Kole Mathison UNA Lemrac14:23.32 10 Isaac Teeples Unattached14:23.78
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 4, 2021 13:46:30 GMT -5
Jackson's progression in this race: 5th at the mile, 12th at 2.1 miles, and 8th at the finish.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 4, 2021 14:38:32 GMT -5
Another top 10 performance by one of our recruits. This time in the Eastbay (formerly Footlocker) Western Regional meet.
9 Caleb Lakeman Tualatin, OR 15:24
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Post by sheasdad on Dec 4, 2021 15:49:17 GMT -5
Great race by Jackson Barna....Caleb Lakeman finished in the top ten which qualifies him for the Eastbay Final in San Diego for their national championship.
Running Lane was the de facto TEAM national championship while Eastbay is probably closer to the INDIVIDUAL national championship...although obviously some great individual runners ran at Running Lane. It is my understanding that Barna chose to run Running Lane over Eastbay because he was sick the week before the Eastbay northeast regional qualifier...
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 5, 2021 15:26:42 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 11, 2021 13:41:56 GMT -5
Caleb finished 40th (and last) in the Eastbay finals with a time of 16:27.1.
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Post by sheasdad on Dec 28, 2021 15:04:22 GMT -5
The Stride Report (they are back publishing) has ranked the Hoyas freshman class #5 just ahead of BYU and NAU:
5. Georgetown Hoyas
This was a team that we constantly went back-and-forth on, attempting to figure out where exactly we should rank these Hoyas. This freshman class wasn't quite as deep as a few others, but many of their recruits look like legitimate, high-impact names who could offer firepower to this team in the very near future.
I'd like to start with the star talent of this freshman class, but truthfully, I think it would be a disservice to a handful of these rookies if I said that just one name was the singular star of this class.
However, the one name who probably catches my attention the most is Lucas Guerra. This young man from Indiana is a superstar in the making.
Between his personal bests of 4:04 (mile) and 8:58 (3200), Guerra looks like he's going to fit in perfectly as the next mile standout that Georgetown always seems to produce. In fact, he already ran 4:09 for the mile earlier this month.
Not all Georgetown stars reach a nationally competitive level right away, but we've seen a handful of top Hoya talents reach their peak fitness as upperclassmen such as Jack Salisbury, Spencer Brown and Jonathan Green (to name a few).
Regardless of when that peak comes for Guerra, he looks like someone who will be an instant impact contributor in some capacity.
Speaking of top milers, how about Mateo Althouse? This guy has tremendous speed, boasting a monster personal best of 3:47 for 1500 meters. That's a huge mark which roughly converts to a 4:05 mile time.
This is a new era for Georgetown as many of their older, more established names have begun to finish their eligibility (or already have). Being able to pair a top high school mile talent like Althouse with a juggernaught talent like Guerra makes for a wicked 1-2 recruiting punch.
However, what really lets Althouse standout is his ability to effectively move up in distance. He's run 8:17 for 3000 meters and 14:53 for 5000 meters. In theory, this is someone who can be an effective varsity scorer during cross country and immediately translate his fall success to the indoor oval.
From a long-term perspective, Althouse could be a true low-stick once he refines his talent even further. His resume may be one of the most well-rounded of any current freshman in these rankings.
As we slightly move down in distance, we come to Nick Medeiros, a middle distance ace who looks like he has a promising career ahead of him.
With a personal best of 1:49 for 800 meters, Medeiros instantly becomes one of the better half-milers in the NCAA just by stepping onto Georgetown's campus. Running 1:49 won't make him a national qualifier, but it will put him in an excellent position to do exactly that if he is able to maintain and build upon that talent over the next few seasons.
Recently, Medeiros took home a win in the 500 meters over newest teammate Ethan Delgado in a time of 1:04. That's not an Earth-shattering mark, but it's still a solid performance and it's nice to see him get the edge over an accomplished teammate in an early-season rust-buster.
At the very least, we should be encouraged about what this youngster can bring to the table for the Hoyas.
Let's also chat about Jack McLoughlin, the Rhode Island native who has a handful of underrated marks and finishes.
Top distance runners from La Salle Academy in Rhode Island have a history of choosing Georgetown as their next stop. In fact, top Georgetown names like Matthew Bouthillette (now graduated) and Jack Salisbury (current graduate student) are also La Salle Academy alumni and have had their fair share of success at the DC-based university.
Does that mean McLoughlin will have the same future? It's certainly not out of the question.
Regardless, this Hoya freshman is better than his resume suggests. He's run 3:57 for 1500 meters (which roughly converts to 4:15 for the mile) and 8:33 for 3000 meters. Not only that, but he's also run 15:03 for 5000 meters on the grass.
Cross country is McLoughlin's best season. He was a Rhode Island cross country state champion in 2020 and also qualified for the 2019 NXN Championships where he finished a very impressive 35th place overall. He's also finished 3rd at the New England XC Championships twice in his career.
McLoughlin has excellent championship experience and he's incredibly consistent. He's a reliable name who you can put on the line and you can always count on him to produce. On paper, the newest La Salle Academy-turned-Georgetown runner offers plenty of stability when it comes to producing good results.
As for the rest of this class, Matthew Griffin and Marlon Belden are solid talents in their own right. Griffin, in fact, looks like he could be an exciting name to watch moving forward.
The New Hampshire native has run 1:53 (800) and 4:17 (1600), further solidifying Georgetown's future spot amongst the top middle distance programs in the NCAA. He'll need to further develop and refine his talent, but he if chips away at his personal bests, then it is certainly not unreasonable to think that he can run under 1:50 in the next couple of years.
As for Belden, he's an underappreciated talent, although he'll need to fully translate his cross country results to the track. In 2019, Belden finished runner-up at the South Carolina 4A XC State Championships to eventual Wake Forest scorer, Coen Roberts. In 2020, Belden finished 11th in the same meet.
With a personal best of 15:10 for 5000 meters, the potential is there for Belden to improve upon his marks on the indoor and outdoor ovals. It may take some time for him to fully develop his talent, but if he's able to make the proper improvements, then he could be a varsity contributor at some point in the future.
Overall, this Georgetown class is simply loaded. They have numerous stars who own blistering fast times while others boast championship experience. They're deep enough to surely have a one or two All-American-caliber names in the future and they have positioned themselves for future success across all three seasons.
On paper, the Hoyas got everything they needed out of this class of rookies and then some.
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Post by RG on Dec 29, 2021 10:55:43 GMT -5
What a great in-depth look at the incoming class! It will be fun to see how they develop over the next few years.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 9, 2022 14:45:44 GMT -5
Ocean Breeze Park & Athletic Complex Jan 8 Jackson Barna wins the boys 3200m at 9:22.78!
The future Hoya sets a NJ # 1 & US # 5 time!
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 4, 2022 18:21:01 GMT -5
Welcome to The Hilltop, Charlie North!
2021 Eastbay National Cross Country All-American (15th) 2nd Place at 2021 OSAA 6A Cross Country Championships
#HOYASAXA
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 4, 2022 18:59:11 GMT -5
Charlie's times:
3000m 8:28.34 5000m 14:40.0
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 5, 2022 21:59:51 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 9, 2022 13:18:41 GMT -5
Excited to add πΈπͺ standout Andrea Claeson to the Hoya family!
2022 Patriot League Indoor Mile & 3k Champion 2021 Patriot League Outdoor 1500m Champion 3rd at 2021 Patriot League Cross Country Championships 2020 NCAA Cross Country Championships Individual Qualifier
Times: 800m 2:07.7; mile 4:39.22; 3000m 9:20.33
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 10, 2022 11:59:22 GMT -5
More on Andrea: she is attending Boston University and will be a grad transfer. She is from Sweden; her mother and aunt both ran at Alabama.
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