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Post by Admin on Aug 5, 2013 20:30:52 GMT -5
The Ivy League media guide has released the following schedule information related to Georgetown for the 2014 through 2016 seasons:
Brown: at Georgetown 2014 Columbia, at New York 2015, at Georgetown 2016 Dartmouth: at Georgetown 2014 Harvard: at Georgetown 2014, at Cambridge 2015 Princeton: at Georgetown 2016
What other teams would readers like to see going forward?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 6, 2013 8:46:17 GMT -5
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Post by thebin on Aug 7, 2013 13:03:58 GMT -5
Is there any chance that we finish a modest high-school sized stadium (one that was promised more than a decade ago by the way) in time to host Harvard at Homecoming in 2014? This is after all an event that should be regarded as a university-changing historical opportunity. OK, OK, stifle your laughter. Of course that was a joke. What are we, loaded with money and power like Marist College or something? 2024 maybe. More likely 2034 if we are being realistic and football is still legal in America. But 2014? Surely ye jest. Short of that, as DFW has previously pleaded, can we please, please, please limit the amount of institutional embarrassment we are headed for when the Cantabs visit (and presumably we have a record-breaking homecoming attendance to welcome them) by renting some nicer temporary stands that maybe total 5-6K for that momentous event? I just realized we are already going to embarrass ourselves in front of Princeton alums this Homecoming. Are the players still waiting in line with fans to use the porta-potties at halftime? (I can't believe I had to write that question in total earnestness.) These are some of the most flattering photos I've ever seen of our dump. Where is that sign located in the second pic? www.stadiumjourney.com/stadiums/multi-sport-field-s1301/images
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Post by hoya4ever on Aug 9, 2013 11:23:31 GMT -5
That sign is at the Canal Road entrance, nowhere near the field.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 10, 2013 18:51:23 GMT -5
What other teams would readers like to see going forward? Out of I-AA, you mean? William & Mary - Visiting crowd (yay, piddling revenue!), academic fit, lots of Georgetown students have heard of it and applied there (I recall tons of people, myself included, having W&M gear freshman year). Butler - New Big East (not to be confused with New Big Wong) will need all the rivalry-building and cross-promotion it can get. Howard - Obvious reasons, I would hope Any other Ivy League teams - I don't think DFW's "Ivy Plus" scheme will happen, but it does have appeal. Monmouth - Because 85% of the Gridiron Club's donations come from people who live in New Jersey. Sacred Heart - A possible win! Plus a big chunk of the school is from Connecticut... Villanova - See Howard VMI and The Citadel - Because playing other schools with crippling recruiting challenges seems like a good idea. Plus they're on the Eastern Seaboard and have the same musty smell of glory days long past about their football programs that we do. Dayton - Catholic school, future Big East member ( ), alma mater of Jon Gruden and Chuck Noll... >>> If we ever got to the point in our financial aid budget where we could be like the Ivies and just handout need-based aid for 90% of our recruits: Richmond - This could be a really good/cool rivalry if only they weren't operating on another plane of football from us. James Madison - Not as compelling as Richmond, but still could be pretty cool. Close enough for roadtrips and the like, good history at JMU (2004 national champions). Towson - Another local team, which can help with regional recruiting and media coverage and the like. Bob Benson Bowl! (Yes, I know Benson is presently "Associate Head Coach, Defensive Coordinator and Defensive Backs Coach" for your fightin' Orediggers of the Colorado School of Mines). Delaware - I mean, if we're going to be playing Richmond and JMU, might as well go all the way and take on the Blue Hens. And march on up to Newark and kick Bernard right in the Muirs.
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Post by Admin on Aug 10, 2013 20:01:38 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 12, 2013 22:34:44 GMT -5
Right! Sorry. Now I remember. I must have completely blacked out/repressed the part where Delaware (DELAWARE) is a better stepping stone to Stanford than Georgetown. Unless your name is Chris Miltenberg, anyway.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Aug 21, 2013 16:02:22 GMT -5
I want Alabama.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 23, 2013 10:13:51 GMT -5
All well and good, but what does Georgetown want? There's a run of Patriot schools trying to line up I-A opponents: Colgate plays at Air Force this year, Fordham will have one I-A team every season. Lafayette and Holy Cross are already talking about games with Army in 2015 and 2016. As far as I can tell, Georgetown isn't getting those calls. For now, Georgetown errs on the side of a soft non-conference schedule because no one is particularly concerned about Davidson or Marist. If Kelly were to take his team to Duke and lose 66-0, there may be a few of those "Hey, what is that coach of yours doing down there?" phone calls from alumni that are otherwise undisturbed with the current schedule. Maybe best-case, the non-conference schedule would be Howard, Villanova, and three Ivies, except Howard doesn't want to play Georgetown, Villanova even less so, and Ivy deals are always a challenge. But is there value, whether in recruiting, in competition, or sheer awareness by getting outside the I-95 footprint for a game now and then?
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Post by CAHoya07 on Aug 24, 2013 2:25:06 GMT -5
As mentioned before: Butler, which gets us outside the I-95 footprint and into the Midwest, plus it's good cross-promotion for the new Big East. Plus, as you've pointed out to me before, DFW, Butler spends even less on football than we do!
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 25, 2013 8:06:11 GMT -5
All well and good, but what does Georgetown want? There's a run of Patriot schools trying to line up I-A opponents: Colgate plays at Air Force this year, Fordham will have one I-A team every season. Lafayette and Holy Cross are already talking about games with Army in 2015 and 2016. As far as I can tell, Georgetown isn't getting those calls. For now, Georgetown errs on the side of a soft non-conference schedule because no one is particularly concerned about Davidson or Marist. If Kelly were to take his team to Duke and lose 66-0, there may be a few of those "Hey, what is that coach of yours doing down there?" phone calls from alumni that are otherwise undisturbed with the current schedule. Maybe best-case, the non-conference schedule would be Howard, Villanova, and three Ivies, except Howard doesn't want to play Georgetown, Villanova even less so, and Ivy deals are always a challenge. But is there value, whether in recruiting, in competition, or sheer awareness by getting outside the I-95 footprint for a game now and then? If we played Alabama, we might not be able to field a full team the following week. I'm only half-kidding. I do think your observation is spot on: as in so many different facets, the MO of Georgetown football is to fly under the radar and avoid excess attention. It's as true for scheduling as it is for so many other things. It's not entirely clear to me why Howard doesn't want to play us, but considering the University-wide administrative/financial cataclysm in progress over there, I can't be too surprised. The question regarding getting off of the East Coast is interesting. I agree that Butler is a natural choice, and possibly Dayton as well. Whether there is value to it, though... looking at the marginal cost/benefit, I sort of have to doubt it. The biggest obstacle our football program has to overcome in terms of national awareness is the very fact that it exists - most people, even college football fans, don't know that it does (they tend to stop looking at the score scroll at the bottom of ESPN when it moves onto I-AA every fourth time). You would probably be better off taking that money and buying two dozen more plane tickets for the staff to go recruiting nationwide and meet with high school coaches, if the goal is to raise the profile. Now, I could imagine a successful venture along these lines. I could see combining a Georgetown game at, say, Albany with a big alumni gathering/tailgate/whatever hosted by the Alumni Clubs of Albany and Central New York. Bring Bart Moore and Lee Reed (JJD is probably too much to hope for), large printed out drawings of the IAC, someone from Sasaki or Forest City to talk about other on-campus developments. Rally the troops, collect some checks, and even if the Great Danes stomp the temporarily bulldog-less Hoyas, people will come away with a sense of hope, progress, hopefully greater commitment, etc. You could do the same thing at Butler, Dayton, Portland State, Rhode Island, San Diego, maybe even Texas Southern or a handful of other places where there are FCS teams in major metropolitan areas where we have a sizable alumni presence. But it will never, ever happen.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Aug 28, 2013 12:38:54 GMT -5
All well and good, but what does Georgetown want? There's a run of Patriot schools trying to line up I-A opponents: Colgate plays at Air Force this year, Fordham will have one I-A team every season. Lafayette and Holy Cross are already talking about games with Army in 2015 and 2016. As far as I can tell, Georgetown isn't getting those calls. For now, Georgetown errs on the side of a soft non-conference schedule because no one is particularly concerned about Davidson or Marist. If Kelly were to take his team to Duke and lose 66-0, there may be a few of those "Hey, what is that coach of yours doing down there?" phone calls from alumni that are otherwise undisturbed with the current schedule. Maybe best-case, the non-conference schedule would be Howard, Villanova, and three Ivies, except Howard doesn't want to play Georgetown, Villanova even less so, and Ivy deals are always a challenge. But is there value, whether in recruiting, in competition, or sheer awareness by getting outside the I-95 footprint for a game now and then? It's not entirely clear to me why Howard doesn't want to play us, but considering the University-wide administrative/financial cataclysm in progress over there, I can't be too surprised. Ummm...did you see the last two games between Howard and Georgetown? I hope for the sake of your eyes that you did not. You know that line in Billy Madison, where the academic decathlon host rails on Billy? The one where he goes "Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." The Howard-Georgetown games were the football game equivalent of Billy's answer in that movie.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 28, 2013 16:04:58 GMT -5
It's not entirely clear to me why Howard doesn't want to play us, but considering the University-wide administrative/financial cataclysm in progress over there, I can't be too surprised. Ummm...did you see the last two games between Howard and Georgetown? I hope for the sake of your eyes that you did not. You know that line in Billy Madison, where the academic decathlon host rails on Billy? The one where he goes "Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." The Howard-Georgetown games were the football game equivalent of Billy's answer in that movie. I don't remember them but we played them 3 times 2008: @ Howard Georgetown wins 12-7 2009 @ Gtown Howard wins 14-11 2011 @ Howard Georgetown wins 21-3 not sure what exactly you're referencing.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Aug 28, 2013 20:07:05 GMT -5
Then I'm referring to the first two games. Those were miserable football games. Especially the 2009 version, which combined with AWFUL weather to make an ATROCIOUS football game. Everyone watching that game became dumber for watching Miceli's offense blow multiple 1st and Goals without scoring using his signature QB draw.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 29, 2013 7:14:23 GMT -5
Then I'm referring to the first two games. Those were miserable football games. Especially the 2009 version, which combined with AWFUL weather to make an ATROCIOUS football game. Everyone watching that game became dumber for watching Miceli's offense blow multiple 1st and Goals without scoring using his signature QB draw. Besides the weather part I feel like that describes every Georgetown Football game. Seems silly for them not to want to play us because we're bad if we still manage to bet them 2 out of 3 times, unless they really don't think they can beat us consistently enough and are embaressed. And seems silly for us to not to want to play them just because we're bad.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Aug 29, 2013 11:16:11 GMT -5
I think the quality of the games put a damper on any enthusiasm that both schools thought the "rivalry" might drum up. Compare that to the fanfare Howard can get going for a game against Morehouse, which isn't even an FCS program, and there doesn't seem to be much of a reason for Howard to play us.
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Post by thebin on Aug 29, 2013 16:01:15 GMT -5
The only reason Howard would not want to play us in all honesty is because they are afraid they would lose to us more often than not and they know how bad it looks that they have lost to a basement dwelling non-schoolie team in the past. They think of us as a bad team who beats them too often. Now we are a good-ish team....who will beat them more often going forward than in the past and often presumably in blowouts. There is no way if they thought they could routinely beat a school with our name recognition and credibility in basketball IN the district that they would not relish the chance. Fear is the only possible explanation.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 29, 2013 22:32:22 GMT -5
Then I'm referring to the first two games. Those were miserable football games. Especially the 2009 version, which combined with AWFUL weather to make an ATROCIOUS football game. Everyone watching that game became dumber for watching Miceli's offense blow multiple 1st and Goals without scoring using his signature QB draw. I attended the last two games in the series in person. Couldn't make it to the first one, which was rescheduled onto a Sunday due to a hurricane passing through the area, but I did watch a replay of the game on TV. Anyway, do you really think the Howard AD is making scheduling decisions based on the aesthetic merit of these football games? Come on, that's basically never a consideration. Also, Miceli is long gone. I think the quality of the games put a damper on any enthusiasm that both schools thought the "rivalry" might drum up. Compare that to the fanfare Howard can get going for a game against Morehouse, which isn't even an FCS program, and there doesn't seem to be much of a reason for Howard to play us. We're not exactly talking about two fanbases full of football purists/aficionados here. Certainly the Howard/Morehouse hoopla has zero to do with football quality (Morehouse is a mediocre D-II program) and everything to do with the two schools being the two most storied HBCUs. The fanfare was there for that because of the built in 'Harvard-Yale of the HBCUs' dynamic, but also because the Howard administration put a lot of effort into it. They put basically zero effort into creating a rivalry with Georgetown, which is crazy to me, given how much sense it makes in a number of ways. The only two college football teams in the nation's capital, squaring off yearly as peers; The Mecca vs. Hoya Paranoia; the most revered of the HBCUs vs. the oldest Catholic university. Etc. etc. I know it's a pro sports town and all, but you'd think the colleges would try to put some real effort into it. But, then, neither GU nor HU football really do things the way you might expect. The only reason Howard would not want to play us in all honesty is because they are afraid they would lose to us more often than not and they know how bad it looks that they have lost to a basement dwelling non-schoolie team in the past. They think of us as a bad team who beats them too often. Now we are a good-ish team....who will beat them more often going forward than in the past and often presumably in blowouts. There is no way if they thought they could routinely beat a school with our name recognition and credibility in basketball IN the district that they would not relish the chance. Fear is the only possible explanation. In my experience, when it comes to Howard, don't ascribe to vice what can more easily be explained by simple incompetence. Howard is playing at ODU this year, who will thrash them; I can't imagine ODU is paying them for it as a guarantee game. They really wouldn't rather play us, with negligible travel costs, the chance to have fans and the band, and portray themselves as Georgetown's peer-by-association, with lots of press about DC's two storied schools??? Also, I know it's hard to get used to this, but Georgetown's not really "basement dwelling" anymore. And even if it were, the MEAC isn't exactly leaps and bounds above the Patriot League, you know - when was the last time a MEAC team won a playoff game? FAMU in 1999?
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Post by thebin on Aug 30, 2013 12:56:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure you read my post very carefully Russky. You are essentially re-stating my point while it reads like you are disputing it.
I did say that we are no longer a basement dwelling team and that with the memory of Howard losing to us even when we were pretty bad, they are now even more likely to see this game as a likely loss for them. Only fear of losing to us would prevent them from wanting to schedule us in my opinion. This is predicated on the idea we share that they SHOULD want to play us for all the reasons you stated on which we agree. (peer-by-association, etc.)
For a long time the Howard community probably assumed as a legacy IAA program they were better than the old Gtown MAAC football teams (MAAC began as a dIII league in all but name) and that prejudice probably carried into the PL years UNTIL they lost to us a couple of times. So I assume they always sort of thought of themselves as at least being able to beat us in football as they surely knew they didn't belong on the same basketball court as us. Now that we are even better at football than when we last met them, it has to be assumed we are a likely loss for them which takes away the only thing on paper they could claim over us. They can continue believing the fantasy of the MEAC as a decent IAA league far more easily if we are not regularly beating them like a red headed step child without schollies no less. It would embarrass them in a way that an ODU beating doesn't. We're too close to them for comfort methinks. Hence...they must be afraid to play us if they do not want to play us because as we both agree it is a no brainer low cost non-league rivalry in the waiting for both schools.
I also would not be surprised to hear that ODU is paying them a decent amount for that scheduled beating.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 30, 2013 14:21:13 GMT -5
I want UNLV at Georgetown. After all the Rebels have lost 23 straight road games.
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