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Post by bicentennial on Jan 25, 2014 13:18:11 GMT -5
I find this discussion very sad. None of us know the details of what happened in Josh Smith's case either at UCLA or academically at Georgetown. I have no doubt that if Josh Smith was a liability to the players on the court while in Practice he would be suspended from the team. Instead JTIII has said that he will continue to practice with the team and if able to correct his academic deficiencies will be able to join the team again next year.
The only statements made have related to his academic eligibility. No statements have been made about what weight or physical goals he has been trying to meet. While he does not appear to have lost much weight, it is possible that he had gained muscle and strength and inches off his waist line that will eventually lead to success in dropping weight as well. While it is sad that Josh Smith has again not succeeded when given an opportunity, no one should hope for anything other than that he finds the answers he needs to be successful. Our Jesuit tradition requires that we value him individually.
In past years it has been stated that one of our team's difficulties was that we did not have good enough practice players for the team to learn to compete at the highest level. I would suggest that Josh playing on the practice team should raise practices for Lubick, Hopkins, Ayegba and Hayes to a very high level. Perhaps the next time we meet one of the wide loads at Marquette or Xavier, our forward/centers will be able to contain those players like Otule/Gardner etc. and prevent them from scoring in double figures because Josh is a challenge in practices.
As pointed out previously, the standard for graduation from Georgetown and NCAA standards requires that Juniors and Seniors achieve a higher grade point average than was required when they were underclassmen. It is possible that Josh's academic eligibility at UCLA was based on a lower standard than Georgetown requires and if that was the case, it may be Josh needs a significant increase in term grade point average to bring up his average to be academically eligible at Georgetown. I do not believe JTIII would be leaving the door open if he did not feel Josh had made some progress towards his goals while at Georgetown.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 25, 2014 13:50:45 GMT -5
My goodness we are a sanctimonious lot, aren't we?
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Post by Filo on Jan 25, 2014 13:56:10 GMT -5
Umm, how about not letting him practice with the team if he engages in any of that type of behavior? For how long though Filo? a day? a week? Not to mention if he screws up and gets kicked out practice then it's more bad pub for the program.. It's not worth it to me I understand that perspective. I am not quite sure why he is practicing with the team and I am also frustrated at the blown opportunities he has had. I just figure if he is practicing, he's got to be on a very short leash. I would think any behavior detrimental to the team would result in immediate termination of the privilege of practicing with the team. As for positives and negatives, the one thing I haven't seen (and someone may have said and missed it), is that it would benefit the other big men. They will have to bang with him and keep working on ways to prevent a big man (a very big man) from getting in the paint and scoring on them. |
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Post by H2Oya 05 on Jan 25, 2014 14:02:51 GMT -5
For how long though Filo? a day? a week? Not to mention if he screws up and gets kicked out practice then it's more bad pub for the program.. It's not worth it to me I understand that perspective. I am not quite sure why he is practicing with the team and I am also frustrated at the blown opportunities he has had. I just figure if he is practicing, he's got to be on a very short leash. I would think any behavior detrimental to the team would result in immediate termination of the privilege of practicing with the team. As for positives and negatives, the one thing I haven't seen (and someone may have said and missed it), is that it would benefit the other big men. They will have to bang with him and keep working on ways to prevent a big man (a very big man) from getting in the paint and scoring on them. This story still makes no sense. I was an athlete (and was academically ineligible for a semester). When you are academically ineligible, you are not allowed to practice with your team. I don't understand how Josh can be academically ineligible and eligible to practice. |
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Post by Elvado on Jan 25, 2014 14:11:31 GMT -5
Maybe, just maybe, Joshua is academically eligible under NCAA rules but not under team rules. The staff has decided he will not play again this year.
Time to move on from this part of the discussion.
More troubling is the venom and judgment being directed at this particular young man.
I do not know him or what the totality of his issues may be. He has clearly let down his coach and his teammates. More importantly, he has let himself down. If his coach and teammates support him who the hell are we not to?
Judge not lest ye be judged. I heard that somewhere.
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Post by wrestlemania on Jan 25, 2014 15:32:46 GMT -5
He could not or would not do what the school asked him to do, and the school will not ask him to do less. It's very simple.
I understand the disappointment but compile your mistakes sometime. The players owe you nothing and don't even know you exist.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 25, 2014 15:37:13 GMT -5
Maybe, just maybe, Joshua is academically eligible under NCAA rules but not under team rules. The staff has decided he will not play again this year. Time to move on from this part of the discussion. More troubling is the venom and judgment being directed at this particular young man. I do not know him or what the totality of his issues may be. He has clearly let down his coach and his teammates. More importantly, he has let himself down. If his coach and teammates support him who the hell are we not to? Judge not lest ye be judged. I heard that somewhere. Board Rule #10 I believe. |
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Post by skyhoya on Jan 25, 2014 16:40:24 GMT -5
another recruiting failure. how can Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan and OSU recruit Bigs that can perform well in the classroom. Just look at the coaches and how they recruit. It would nice to recruit some farm boys from the Midwest
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 25, 2014 19:48:24 GMT -5
another recruiting failure. how can Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan and OSU recruit Bigs that can perform well in the classroom. Just look at the coaches and how they recruit. It would nice to recruit some farm boys from the Midwest This isn't the Big10...those are all large state schools that not only have great resources but also have majors that are meant to be easier and for athletes. |
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 25, 2014 21:33:30 GMT -5
another recruiting failure. how can Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan and OSU recruit Bigs that can perform well in the classroom. Just look at the coaches and how they recruit. It would nice to recruit some farm boys from the Midwest This isn't the Big10...those are all large state schools that not only have great resources but also have majors that are meant to be easier and for athletes. Duke somehow manages. And don't tell me there isn't a major at Georgetown comparable to their sociology program. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 25, 2014 21:38:06 GMT -5
Facilities and academics are two giant red herrings.
Creighton is just better than us.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 25, 2014 21:39:10 GMT -5
True, but Sky didn't bring up Duke. He was talking about his beloved Big10 teams that he sees in their tournament every year. As had been discussed ad nauseam, there are plenty of resources for players at Georgetown and I'm sure they have friendly class scheduling. Disappointed in Josh but I'm sure that while JTIII was recruiting him, Josh did not talk about academics or his distaste of them.
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Post by skyhoya on Jan 25, 2014 21:57:04 GMT -5
Creighton gets the players who are too good to go to Nebraska or Iowa.
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Post by skyhoya on Jan 26, 2014 12:44:47 GMT -5
is he still on campus? anyone see him?
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 26, 2014 13:14:31 GMT -5
is he still on campus? anyone see him? The Coach said he was practicing with the team. Why don't you go hang out on Copley Lawn and file a stalker report later.  |
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Post by the_way on Jan 26, 2014 13:52:50 GMT -5
another recruiting failure. how can Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan and OSU recruit Bigs that can perform well in the classroom. Just look at the coaches and how they recruit. It would nice to recruit some farm boys from the Midwest You can throw Michigan St. in there. I like the way Michigan St. and Wisconsin go about their business. Those two schools have a plan when it comes to recruiting. They play a certain style of basketball and they recruit that way. They have a plan. Or at least they can evaluate a player and project how he will play at the next level for them. And they are successful in doing so more often than not. That seems to be the missing ingredient at Georgetown. We really haven't had a consistent plan or philosophy. And it is evident in the roster. III wants to run the Princeton, but most of his bigs aren't good fits for it. III wants to play good defense, have glue type guys, but those guys are liabilities on the offensive end. The Monroe-Wright-Freeman era teams taught III something. Those guys were highly ranked guys coming out of high school. But, relatively speaking, we didn't have much success with them, at least in the NCAA's. We had more success with less heralded guys coming out of high school before them. We lacked the role players to do the little things to help the Monroe-Wright-Freeman teams. So, then III goes out and gets glue type role players (Lubick, Jabril,etc.). III is still trying to figure this thing out. He can coach in game with the best of them. But coaching/X's and O's is only part of the equation as a head coach. That is why a lot of good assistant coaches fail at the head coaching level in college basketball. You also have to be a good administrator when it comes to your staff and a good general manager when it comes to your roster. This is what his father was a master and excelled at: administration. Again, we have some new assistant coaches. And moving forward, hopefully III and his staff can figure this thing out. |
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 26, 2014 14:29:39 GMT -5
Maybe, just maybe, Joshua is academically eligible under NCAA rules but not under team rules. The staff has decided he will not play again this year. Time to move on from this part of the discussion. More troubling is the venom and judgment being directed at this particular young man. I do not know him or what the totality of his issues may be. He has clearly let down his coach and his teammates. More importantly, he has let himself down. If his coach and teammates support him who the hell are we not to? Judge not lest ye be judged. I heard that somewhere. He clearly seems to be NCAA eligible and Georgetown ineligible. While this p***** me off, I don't get the sentiment that we should automatically let him go. As someone said, it doesn't take all that much to be Georgetown ineligible. I actually think this isn't that bad for everyone involved if he straightens himself out. Smith's issues aren't solved in game experience, they're solved in the kitchen and gym. He can play basketball. That's never been the problem. And as is his benching isn't preventing a Final Four run. #11 seed versus NIT? Maybe but who cares if he learns from this. |
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Post by the_way on Jan 26, 2014 14:41:17 GMT -5
Well, it seems we, Georgetown, care if he learns from this.
It seems we will need him for next year with Starks gone,and that is why he is still around? For his scoring?
Some guys do change, and a lot of guys don't.
Josh has been who he is for some time now. It looks like were are hoping he'll have a moment of clarity next year.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 26, 2014 14:50:49 GMT -5
Well, it seems we, Georgetown, care if he learns from this. It seems we will need him for next year with Starks gone,and that is why he is still around? For his scoring? Some guys do change, and a lot of guys don't. Josh has been who he is for some time now. It looks like were are hoping he'll have a moment of clarity next year. Sorry that should read "Who cares, if he learns from this" as in "who cares about the NIT add long as Josh learns from this?" That read exactly the opposite of what I meant. |
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Post by skyhoya on Jan 26, 2014 15:02:14 GMT -5
is he still on campus? anyone see him? The Coach said he was practicing with the team. Why don't you go hang out on Copley Lawn and file a stalker report later. totally cluelesss |
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