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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 10, 2013 10:45:31 GMT -5
I say he stays for the same reason he didn't play AAU ball or get caught up in the recruiting hype. His family. They seem like people who value more than bball and money. They seem like people who really want their kid to grow as a person and be more than a basketball player. I bet they have talked to Jeff Green and he has told them how important staying that extra year was in allowing him to get his degree. I don't know if I'd say that's a reason he stays, I still think it's likely he will go, but I do think his strong support system tells me one thing: I very highly doubt that his exact draft position is a leading factor in his decision. He will not be the #1 or #2 pick either year. No way. He will also not drop out of the top 10 either year. No way. It seems he's pretty solidly projected at #4 right now. And yes, there is a pretty significant salary difference between #4 and, say, #9 or #10, should he stay and slip a little bit in a stronger draft. There's no question about that. But we're still talking about the difference between around $2 million and $3-$3.25 million for a couple of years, before team options and re-negotiations come into play. I am sure Otto is being advised about draft projections, but I'm guessing his decision-making process is much more centered around his own readiness and other factors that have little or nothing to do with the exact draft slot. Yes, pure speculation on my part, but then again, we've got six pages of the same going on. I agree that his draft position will not be a deciding factor, nor will having one more year as a pro to earn a paycheck; I don't think that "only" making , say, $20 million as a pro rather than $24 million will sway Otto and his family. I would think that the possibility of a serious injury that impacts his future career would be a big consideration, vs. the chance to spend another year in school, playing with his band of Hoya brothers. That being said, I still think the overwhelming likelihood is that he declares - but there is certainly a chance that he stays. Either way, he will continue to be a great example for the Hoya program.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 10, 2013 10:47:38 GMT -5
I say he stays for the same reason he didn't play AAU ball or get caught up in the recruiting hype. His family. They seem like people who value more than bball and money. They seem like people who really want their kid to grow as a person and be more than a basketball player. I bet they have talked to Jeff Green and he has told them how important staying that extra year was in allowing him to get his degree. I don't know if I'd say that's a reason he stays, I still think it's likely he will go, but I do think his strong support system tells me one thing: I very highly doubt that his exact draft position is a leading factor in his decision. He will not be the #1 or #2 pick either year. No way. He will also not drop out of the top 10 either year. No way. It seems he's pretty solidly projected at #4 right now. And yes, there is a pretty significant salary difference between #4 and, say, #9 or #10, should he stay and slip a little bit in a stronger draft. There's no question about that. But we're still talking about the difference between around $2 million and $3-$3.25 million for a couple of years, before team options and re-negotiations come into play. I am sure Otto is being advised about draft projections, but I'm guessing his decision-making process is much more centered around his own readiness and other factors that have little or nothing to do with the exact draft slot. Yes, pure speculation on my part, but then again, we've got six pages of the same going on. I agree with Boz. I have attempted to make these same points in the few posts I have made in this thread. This post says it more clearly than any of mine. I think the kid goes, but reasonable arguments can be made for him staying.
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Post by Boz on Apr 10, 2013 11:02:37 GMT -5
If Otto's season next year looks like the last five games of this year, then he won't be a top-10 pick next year. Take the money and run while you can young man. A. What possible evidence is there that Otto's entire season as a Hoya next year would have him struggling like he did in the last couple of games at the end of the season this year? B. If the last few games of this year are so determinative, why wouldn't his stock be slipping right now against others who finished very strong, like McGary or Burke? Gee, you're absolutely right. Unless he gets a contract right away, right now, he'll never get one!!!! ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) The conclusion that it is probably the right time for Otto to go is valid, but not in any way based on your pseudo-argument.
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Post by dcahoya on Apr 10, 2013 14:17:52 GMT -5
To those speculating about whether Otto's last game or two will have on his decision, I respectfully disagree.
I think it's fair to assume that Otto enjoys college (especially given his small-town background) and would certainly return if all things were equal. Probably for one more year to have fun and make a run in the NCAA's.
All things, of course, are not equal. He is projected as a top-10, perhaps top-5 pick in the draft. His stock might not be that high a year from now, as the next draft class would probably (but not absolutely) be tougher, the NBA prefers younger talent, and he will see more double-teams next year.
So there are reasons to come back, but there are REALLY (financial) good reasons to jump. But either decision would make sense. So let's let him take his time and figure it out.
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Post by wahoohoya on Apr 10, 2013 14:27:15 GMT -5
I say he stays for the same reason he didn't play AAU ball or get caught up in the recruiting hype. His family. They seem like people who value more than bball and money. They seem like people who really want their kid to grow as a person and be more than a basketball player. I bet they have talked to Jeff Green and he has told them how important staying that extra year was in allowing him to get his degree. I have no idea what the Porters are like, but from past articles, it seemed pretty clear that their decision to not go the AAU route was very much a basketball decision. I think if Otto stays another year, it will be because they think his long term basketball career will be the better for it (from a personal growth / physical and mental maturity standpoint). With that said, I would be shocked if they didn't think he was ready to make the jump.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 10, 2013 14:45:40 GMT -5
To those speculating about whether Otto's last game or two will have on his decision, I respectfully disagree. I think it's fair to assume that Otto enjoys college (especially given his small-town background) and would certainly return if all things were equal. Probably for one more year to have fun and make a run in the NCAA's. All things, of course, are not equal. He is projected as a top-10, perhaps top-5 pick in the draft. His stock might not be that high a year from now, as the next draft class would probably (but not absolutely) be tougher, the NBA prefers younger talent, and he will see more double-teams next year. So there are reasons to come back, but there are REALLY (financial) good reasons to jump. But either decision would make sense. So let's let him take his time and figure it out. You're new here, so we'll give you a pass for not knowing how things work. WE decide what is best for these kids, and what decisions they need to make. And no matter which way they decide, they will end up with those on the other side insulting their intelligence and judgment. So stop trying to be reasonable and understanding. There is no place for that here. You'll learn.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 14:53:35 GMT -5
I think Otto Stays.. Only because everybody else says “I think he goes”
I like being different..
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Post by hoyarad on Apr 10, 2013 14:55:25 GMT -5
This thread is so pointless. It's like Around the Horn on ESPN. Everyone get their opinion in!
FWIW, I have no idea.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 10, 2013 15:00:36 GMT -5
This thread is so pointless. It's like Around the Horn on ESPN. Everyone get their opinion in! FWIW, I have no idea. EXCEPT YOU HAVE TO YELL!!!!
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 10, 2013 15:15:54 GMT -5
I would not say Andre Wiggins is once in a generation talent; Kobe, Lebron, and Wiggins are all within a 20 year time span. Let's not forget Felipe Lopez. Only once in a generation will you get a Felipe Lopez.
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Post by Dhall on Apr 10, 2013 15:30:17 GMT -5
If Otto's season next year looks like the last five games of this year, then he won't be a top-10 pick next year. Take the money and run while you can young man. A. What possible evidence is there that Otto's entire season as a Hoya next year would have him struggling like he did in the last couple of games at the end of the season this year? B. If the last few games of this year are so determinative, why wouldn't his stock be slipping right now against others who finished very strong, like McGary or Burke? Gee, you're absolutely right. Unless he gets a contract right away, right now, he'll never get one!!!! ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) The conclusion that it is probably the right time for Otto to go is valid, but not in any way based on your pseudo-argument. Buy yourself a dictionary and look up the word "if" you fool.
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on Apr 10, 2013 15:43:04 GMT -5
Doesn't anyone have English class with Otto or something? Where are all the good rumors these days? This whole thread is just a bunch of people repeating the same thing over and over. I demand some interesting info.
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Post by Boz on Apr 10, 2013 15:46:17 GMT -5
And look! We even have our very own Woody Paige....
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Post by This Just In on Apr 10, 2013 15:51:13 GMT -5
Doesn't anyone have English class with Otto or something? Where are all the good rumors these days? This whole thread is just a bunch of people repeating the same thing over and over. I demand some interesting info. If you speculate on the wrong topic, you will be placed in timeout.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 10, 2013 16:04:30 GMT -5
i have seen wiggins and parker play before. wiggins is a once in a generation talent. if parker enters the upcomin draft, he is certainly goin to be #1 as well. i know what you are saying; these guys are unproven. but they are not certainly going to be busts like shabazz muhammad whom everyone thought he will picked #1 prior to this year. #1 as well? tell me more about how Parker goes BEFORE the "once in a generation talent" - is his game like Sam Bowie?
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Post by hoyas1995 on Apr 10, 2013 16:16:52 GMT -5
This thread is going to BLOW UP in the next few days
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Post by superan on Apr 10, 2013 16:19:53 GMT -5
April 28 is the deadline, right?
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Post by swhoya on Apr 10, 2013 18:15:44 GMT -5
Has anyone seen him around campus lately? Have you seen him smiling? And if so, would you interpret it as a "Man, I'm about to make millions!" smile, or is it a "Man, I love where I'm at and think all these people that think they know what's best for me are hilarious!" smile?
Because that's really what's important now. Is he smiling.
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Post by swhoya on Apr 10, 2013 18:18:15 GMT -5
In all seriousness though, a question since we're discussing his play the last few games. Has there every been anything or any questions directed to him or III about Otto's health in the last game? I posted at the time that he didn't look well to me and just didn't seem to be at his normal energy levels (to say nothing of his shot being off). His defense wasn't there.
Apologies if it has been discussed. I've mostly taken a break from the board and the basketball world since the Day That I Can't Remember happened.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Apr 10, 2013 18:25:47 GMT -5
In the aftermath of the loss, I heard (or maybe read) an interview where III said that everyone was healthy. He admitted to adjusting the pace of his practices so that his players would not be worn out at the end of the season. He said, in past years, the players were not in top physical condition. It would appear, from that statement, that Otto was in top physical condition. No word on whether Otto had a bug, but I doubt it.
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