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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 9, 2013 11:25:29 GMT -5
You are absolutely right. However, if he returns and regresses, it could go the other way. Moreover, if the team does not do well with Otto, Whittington and an experienced lineup, then the impact on recruiting would be negative. I see upside for the fans, but none whatsoever for Otto, unless he is truly the rare star player who values his time on campus and wants the education. Cal, you paint a truly negative possibility that, IMO, has a low probability of outcome. Sure, it can happen, but I'd take that bet on the other side. With regard to Otto, maybe he also wants to increase his physical and emotional maturity. Barring catastrophe, the $$ will be there. Still, more likely that he goes than stays, IMO.
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Post by westendhoya on Apr 9, 2013 12:04:37 GMT -5
Olapido going pro
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 9, 2013 12:55:25 GMT -5
I get this argument and agree with it for the most part. But if he does return, we are easily a top 5 team, with potentially one of the pre-season POY's. With that kind of hype, and presumed success, that might actually go further in attracting recruits, right? You are absolutely right. However, if he returns and regresses, it could go the other way. Moreover, if the team does not do well with Otto, Whittington and an experienced lineup, then the impact on recruiting would be negative. I see upside for the fans, but none whatsoever for Otto, unless he is truly the rare star player who values his time on campus and wants the education. Also, the more time he has in front of scouts, the more they'll nitpick him.
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Post by Boz on Apr 9, 2013 13:03:13 GMT -5
You are absolutely right. However, if he returns and regresses, it could go the other way. Moreover, if the team does not do well with Otto, Whittington and an experienced lineup, then the impact on recruiting would be negative. I see upside for the fans, but none whatsoever for Otto, unless he is truly the rare star player who values his time on campus and wants the education. Also, the more time he has in front of scouts, the more they'll nitpick him. Plus, the Mayans could have just been off by a year. Might as well get that first paycheck before everything ends.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 9, 2013 13:05:56 GMT -5
right, cause the guys in the League will take it easy on him and there is no risk of injury at the higher level. This goes to my earlier point of being physically ready, not to make a play at that level, but to last a whole season without breaking down. the same people who say he wore down this season are saying he should definitely go to the draft and try to nut out a three game a week, 82 game season...smh man. . The risk of injury is there and may be higher but you are getting paid once you get to the NBA as a lottery pick. You have guaranteed contracts so you can cash in. At the college level if you get injured all you have is the small insurance injury claim which only compensates you if you can never play basketball again. That insurance policy doesn't provide for sliding in the draft or having to play in the NBDL or Europe.
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Post by unclebeets on Apr 9, 2013 16:02:55 GMT -5
What Otto needs more than anything else is time. He can do a lot of different things and has his head on straight -- scouts tend to like that combination, especially from a guy his size. Not the worst thing if an NBA team parks him in Sioux City or overseas for a while -- one way or the other he'll eventually make a roster, and get paid. Even that stiff Thabeet is in the NBA somewhere.
Not to divert too much, but where are Bowman, Austin, Sapp and Braswell these days?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 9, 2013 18:27:18 GMT -5
What Otto needs more than anything else is time. He can do a lot of different things and has his head on straight -- scouts tend to like that combination, especially from a guy his size. Not the worst thing if an NBA team parks him in Sioux City or overseas for a while -- one way or the other he'll eventually make a roster, and get paid. Even that stiff Thabeet is in the NBA somewhere. Not to divert too much, but where are Bowman, Austin, Sapp and Braswell these days? If Otto comes out he will be a lottery pick. He most certainly will not be "parked" in the NBDL!
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Apr 9, 2013 19:23:39 GMT -5
as i said before, the thing about otto is that he is a sophomore, not a junior. guys like russ smith and oladipo absolutely have to leave, b/c next year draft is the strongest probably since lebron's draft.
if otto decides to stay, he will most likely stay two, not one, b/c the draft year after is another weak draft as well. no way in the world, otto gets lottery in the next draft (probably mid-late first round).
granted that otto has not really accomplished much in the post-season with us, there is a strong chance he may stay. but then again 2 yrs of wait might be deemed too much for ottos family
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 9, 2013 22:13:37 GMT -5
As an Otto fan, I hope he leaves. He's a guaranteed top 10 pick, consensus All-American and this is a terrible draft. None of those are guaranteed next season (in fact, next year's draft is expected to be loaded). Frankly, he'd be stupid from a career standpoint to come back.
As a Hoyas fan, I would love for him to come back as next year's team would be stronger. However, a large part of me also wants him to strike while the iron's hot so JT III can sell to recruits another lottery pick and provide more evidence to forwards that his system can make them a lot of money. Risking that by having him come back, potentially lowering his draft stock, could really hurt us from a recruiting standpoint.
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Post by Filo on Apr 9, 2013 22:26:19 GMT -5
What Otto needs more than anything else is time. He can do a lot of different things and has his head on straight -- scouts tend to like that combination, especially from a guy his size. Not the worst thing if an NBA team parks him in Sioux City or overseas for a while -- one way or the other he'll eventually make a roster, and get paid. Even that stiff Thabeet is in the NBA somewhere. Not to divert too much, but where are Bowman, Austin, Sapp and Braswell these days? Time warp post of the year. I am pretty sure that was supposed to be dated April 9, 2012. That's the only explanation I have...
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 10, 2013 0:09:52 GMT -5
I get tired of people saying this is a "terrible" draft.
Says who? A couple of pundits? What constitutes a "terrible" draft? How does anyone know how this draft will turn out? Ben McLemore, Otto, Trey Burke, Oladipo...they could all turn into all-stars. Who knows? Who doesn't know?
That's a serious pet peeve
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Post by deacon on Apr 10, 2013 0:27:55 GMT -5
I get tired of people saying this is a "terrible" draft. Says who? A couple of pundits? What constitutes a "terrible" draft? How does anyone know how this draft will turn out? Ben McLemore, Otto, Trey Burke, Oladipo...they could all turn into all-stars. Who knows? Who doesn't know? That's a serious pet peeve I agree 100%. As for next year's draft, no one has any idea whatsoever how players like Julius Randle, Andrew Wiggins, Aaron Gordon, etc ... are going to adapt to the college game and how they will be viewed as pro prospects this time next year. People keep saying Otto should leave now because he'll be a lottery pick this year and won't next season because of guys like Noah Vonleh and Chris Walker is funny to me.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Apr 10, 2013 6:46:34 GMT -5
I get tired of people saying this is a "terrible" draft. Says who? A couple of pundits? What constitutes a "terrible" draft? How does anyone know how this draft will turn out? Ben McLemore, Otto, Trey Burke, Oladipo...they could all turn into all-stars. Who knows? Who doesn't know? That's a serious pet peeve I agree 100%. As for next year's draft, no one has any idea whatsoever how players like Julius Randle, Andrew Wiggins, Aaron Gordon, etc ... are going to adapt to the college game and how they will be viewed as pro prospects this time next year. People keep saying Otto should leave now because he'll be a lottery pick this year and won't next season because of guys like Noah Vonleh and Chris Walker is funny to me. i have seen wiggins and parker play before. wiggins is a once in a generation talent. if parker enters the upcomin draft, he is certainly goin to be #1 as well. i know what you are saying; these guys are unproven. but they are not certainly going to be busts like shabazz muhammad whom everyone thought he will picked #1 prior to this year.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 10, 2013 8:51:15 GMT -5
I agree 100%. As for next year's draft, no one has any idea whatsoever how players like Julius Randle, Andrew Wiggins, Aaron Gordon, etc ... are going to adapt to the college game and how they will be viewed as pro prospects this time next year. People keep saying Otto should leave now because he'll be a lottery pick this year and won't next season because of guys like Noah Vonleh and Chris Walker is funny to me. i have seen wiggins and parker play before. wiggins is a once in a generation talent. if parker enters the upcomin draft, he is certainly goin to be #1 as well. i know what you are saying; these guys are unproven. but they are not certainly going to be busts like shabazz muhammad whom everyone thought he will picked #1 prior to this year.
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Post by chep3 on Apr 10, 2013 9:14:35 GMT -5
I get tired of people saying this is a "terrible" draft. Says who? A couple of pundits? What constitutes a "terrible" draft? How does anyone know how this draft will turn out? Ben McLemore, Otto, Trey Burke, Oladipo...they could all turn into all-stars. Who knows? Who doesn't know? That's a serious pet peeve Sure, but that's sort of besides the point in terms of draft projections. What matters is that scouts and GMs don't think it's a great draft, and Otto is considered a higher pick than guys like Burke, Oladipo, and Zeller. It doesn't matter that the latter 3 might end up being way better than Randle, Gordon, and the Harrison twins. It just matters that GMs think Randle, Gordon, and the Harrison twins are better picks than Burke, Oldaipo, and Zeller. Point taken though that Otto could be just as high a pick next year, but it's always risky to pass up a sure thing for the potential of being at the same spot.
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Post by This Just In on Apr 10, 2013 9:25:52 GMT -5
I would not say Andre Wiggins is once in a generation talent; Kobe, Lebron, and Wiggins are all within a 20 year time span.
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Post by profquigley on Apr 10, 2013 9:30:00 GMT -5
I say he stays for the same reason he didn't play AAU ball or get caught up in the recruiting hype. His family. They seem like people who value more than bball and money. They seem like people who really want their kid to grow as a person and be more than a basketball player. I bet they have talked to Jeff Green and he has told them how important staying that extra year was in allowing him to get his degree.
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Post by Boz on Apr 10, 2013 9:40:40 GMT -5
I say he stays for the same reason he didn't play AAU ball or get caught up in the recruiting hype. His family. They seem like people who value more than bball and money. They seem like people who really want their kid to grow as a person and be more than a basketball player. I bet they have talked to Jeff Green and he has told them how important staying that extra year was in allowing him to get his degree. I don't know if I'd say that's a reason he stays, I still think it's likely he will go, but I do think his strong support system tells me one thing: I very highly doubt that his exact draft position is a leading factor in his decision. He will not be the #1 or #2 pick either year. No way. He will also not drop out of the top 10 either year. No way. It seems he's pretty solidly projected at #4 right now. And yes, there is a pretty significant salary difference between #4 and, say, #9 or #10, should he stay and slip a little bit in a stronger draft. There's no question about that. But we're still talking about the difference between around $2 million and $3-$3.25 million for a couple of years, before team options and re-negotiations come into play. I am sure Otto is being advised about draft projections, but I'm guessing his decision-making process is much more centered around his own readiness and other factors that have little or nothing to do with the exact draft slot. Yes, pure speculation on my part, but then again, we've got six pages of the same going on.
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Post by deacon on Apr 10, 2013 10:27:21 GMT -5
I agree 100%. As for next year's draft, no one has any idea whatsoever how players like Julius Randle, Andrew Wiggins, Aaron Gordon, etc ... are going to adapt to the college game and how they will be viewed as pro prospects this time next year. People keep saying Otto should leave now because he'll be a lottery pick this year and won't next season because of guys like Noah Vonleh and Chris Walker is funny to me. i have seen wiggins and parker play before. wiggins is a once in a generation talent. if parker enters the upcomin draft, he is certainly goin to be #1 as well. i know what you are saying; these guys are unproven. but they are not certainly going to be busts like shabazz muhammad whom everyone thought he will picked #1 prior to this year. I too have seen both play countless numbers of times, and yes they are talented, but calling Wiggins a once in a generation talent is again funny to me. Wiggins is a talented kid with a high ceiling, nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by Dhall on Apr 10, 2013 10:43:13 GMT -5
He will not be the #1 or #2 pick either year. No way. He will also not drop out of the top 10 either year. No way. It seems he's pretty solidly projected at #4 right now. And yes, there is a pretty significant salary difference between #4 and, say, #9 or #10, should he stay and slip a little bit in a stronger draft. There's no question about that. . If Otto's season next year looks like the last five games of this year, then he won't be a top-10 pick next year. Take the money and run while you can young man.
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