rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 16, 2013 13:45:15 GMT -5
That's actually the team I would not want him to go to. They have a crazy owner and a horrible front office. They were gifted Lebron by Stern and couldn't get any blue chip players around him for 8 years. Varejao is nothing more than a serviceable big and Tristan Thompson is an undersized power forward with a low field goal percentage. Kyrie is okay but is injury prone. And I wouldn't not want to play with the trash named Dion Waiters. Cavs will continue to be mediocre. The Magic are just a very bad team with zero talent. I think Detroit is a player away from being a really good team. They already have Monroe and Drummond was a steal in the draft. He leads all rookies in production efficiency. Add Otto to that front court and they are set for years. And Dumars is an excellent GM so Otto would be in good hands. The Cavaliers actually changed their front office structure after LeBron departed. I didn't say they have a star player at every position - no team does - but I'd take a "serviceable" center who is a good defender, plays like his hair is on fire and gives me double-digits boards nightly, an "undersized" power forward who nearly averaged a double-double while shooting a paltry 49% from the field and an "okay" point guard that was an All-Star in his second season. To say Orlando has zero talent makes me question if you even pay attention to the NBA. Detroit has Greg, Andre Drummond - who has shown flashes of brilliance but is still incredibly raw - and a bunch of contracts it doesn't want. They are nowhere near being "a player away from being a really good team." +1
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Apr 16, 2013 13:58:22 GMT -5
Congrats to Otto and family!
Another NBA shirt for The Wall next Midnight Madness...
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757hoyafan
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Post by 757hoyafan on Apr 16, 2013 14:20:26 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 16, 2013 15:44:45 GMT -5
The Cavaliers actually changed their front office structure after LeBron departed. I didn't say they have a star player at every position - no team does - but I'd take a "serviceable" center who is a good defender, plays like his hair is on fire and gives me double-digits boards nightly, an "undersized" power forward who nearly averaged a double-double while shooting a paltry 49% from the field and an "okay" point guard that was an All-Star in his second season. To say Orlando has zero talent makes me question if you even pay attention to the NBA. Detroit has Greg, Andre Drummond - who has shown flashes of brilliance but is still incredibly raw - and a bunch of contracts it doesn't want. They are nowhere near being "a player away from being a really good team." I would disagree. Orlando is tied for last in the league for a reason. Lack of talent. Their roster has noone of any significant trade value. It's practically an expansion team. As for the Cavs, success or failure of an organization starts at the top. And they still have that crazy owner who cannot evaluate talent. Cavs are very mediocre and in the NBA you can't win with mediocre players.
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Post by deacon on Apr 16, 2013 16:24:41 GMT -5
The Cavaliers actually changed their front office structure after LeBron departed. I didn't say they have a star player at every position - no team does - but I'd take a "serviceable" center who is a good defender, plays like his hair is on fire and gives me double-digits boards nightly, an "undersized" power forward who nearly averaged a double-double while shooting a paltry 49% from the field and an "okay" point guard that was an All-Star in his second season. To say Orlando has zero talent makes me question if you even pay attention to the NBA. Detroit has Greg, Andre Drummond - who has shown flashes of brilliance but is still incredibly raw - and a bunch of contracts it doesn't want. They are nowhere near being "a player away from being a really good team." I would disagree. Orlando is tied for last in the league for a reason. Lack of talent. Their roster has noone of any significant trade value. It's practically an expansion team. As for the Cavs, success or failure of an organization starts at the top. And they still have that crazy owner who cannot evaluate talent. Cavs are very mediocre and in the NBA you can't win with mediocre players. LOL ... right on.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 16, 2013 16:48:04 GMT -5
I would disagree. Orlando is tied for last in the league for a reason. Lack of talent. Their roster has noone of any significant trade value. It's practically an expansion team. As for the Cavs, success or failure of an organization starts at the top. And they still have that crazy owner who cannot evaluate talent. Cavs are very mediocre and in the NBA you can't win with mediocre players. LOL ... right on. That's an evasion. Who exactly has significant trade value on the Magic roster?
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Post by chep3 on Apr 16, 2013 17:14:14 GMT -5
Vucevic, Harris, Harkless, Afflalo. Andrew Nicholson looked promising at times. Wouldn't want Otto to go there though. They're packed with wings. He'd be better off with the Cavs or Hornets (assuming he doesn't drop and someone like the Wiz, Pistons, or Twolves don't grab a higher spot). Want him miles away from Phoenix or Sacramento. Those organizations are shot.
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Post by deacon on Apr 16, 2013 23:49:24 GMT -5
Vucevic, Harris, Harkless, Afflalo. Andrew Nicholson looked promising at times. Wouldn't want Otto to go there though. They're packed with wings. He'd be better off with the Cavs or Hornets (assuming he doesn't drop and someone like the Wiz, Pistons, or Twolves don't grab a higher spot). Want him miles away from Phoenix or Sacramento. Those organizations are shot. I remember seeing on Twitter about a month ago a Hornets/Pelicans beat writer - name escapes me - saying that New Orleans brass was in love with Otto and that he wouldn't get past him in the draft. However, Chad Ford said he heard the same about the Cavs as well. Will be interesting on draft night.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Apr 17, 2013 5:46:03 GMT -5
i do respect otto's decision to go pro and wish him the best, but after seeing marcus smart declaring that he will come back, i do kinda wish otto had stayed as well. yes, marcus is a freshman, not a soph like otto... but meh
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 17, 2013 7:12:03 GMT -5
Best wishes to Otto - a GREAT Hoya! Can't argue with a young man who has the opportunity to pursue his dream - and to make a ton of money while doing so. Good luck!
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Post by Buckets on Apr 17, 2013 10:33:58 GMT -5
Seriously though, if you were taking over as a GM, how many rosters would you not swap with the Magic's? Two? Bobcats are probably worse and then the Suns roster is just an unmitigated disaster.
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 18, 2013 12:21:33 GMT -5
Good luck Otto. The rules need to change. College BB needs to be like baseball, you go to the league before you enroll, if you enroll, you are on the hook for 3 years. The quality of talent in college basketball is down because the good players leave early for the league. It's time for the NBA to money up and fund a real D league and develop their own talent.
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Apr 18, 2013 13:10:22 GMT -5
NBA has a real D league..... Colleges! I wish the guys could go to the league from high school. Colleges know exactly what they are getting when they recruit these athletes. If and when the money become greater in the WNBA we will see star athletes leave early.
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 18, 2013 13:42:53 GMT -5
greed on the part of the owners and CBA. College foot the bill through their boosters/supporters
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 18, 2013 19:53:56 GMT -5
NBA has a real D league..... Colleges! I wish the guys could go to the league from high school. Colleges know exactly what they are getting when they recruit these athletes. If and when the money become greater in the WNBA we will see star athletes leave early. Neither "if" nor "when". The NBA will get tired of hemmorhaging money on the WNBA someday.
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Post by royski on Apr 19, 2013 12:40:43 GMT -5
The Cavaliers actually changed their front office structure after LeBron departed. I didn't say they have a star player at every position - no team does - but I'd take a "serviceable" center who is a good defender, plays like his hair is on fire and gives me double-digits boards nightly, an "undersized" power forward who nearly averaged a double-double while shooting a paltry 49% from the field and an "okay" point guard that was an All-Star in his second season. To say Orlando has zero talent makes me question if you even pay attention to the NBA. Detroit has Greg, Andre Drummond - who has shown flashes of brilliance but is still incredibly raw - and a bunch of contracts it doesn't want. They are nowhere near being "a player away from being a really good team." I would disagree. Orlando is tied for last in the league for a reason. Lack of talent. Their roster has noone of any significant trade value. It's practically an expansion team. As for the Cavs, success or failure of an organization starts at the top. And they still have that crazy owner who cannot evaluate talent. Cavs are very mediocre and in the NBA you can't win with mediocre players. There is nothing mediocre about Kyrie Irving. Cleveland looks like the best landing spot for Otto from my vantage point, although New Orleans and to a lesser extent Detroit have potential too.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 19, 2013 12:46:09 GMT -5
New Orleans is a good situation
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Post by nychoya3 on Apr 19, 2013 13:06:32 GMT -5
Cleveland wouldn't be a bad spot at all. Kyrie is already a beast and in a couple years he'll be the best point in the league IMO. Skill level is very Chris Paul-ish.
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Post by doublehoya0310 on Apr 21, 2013 7:48:04 GMT -5
Back to Otto... Any word on his agent? Another client for Falk?
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 21, 2013 12:20:11 GMT -5
16 Posts debating which NBA point guard is the best (or will be the best in the future) moved to a new thread on that topic here. Good topic, but try to keep the discussion here Otto-centric if possible.
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