Filo
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Post by Filo on Apr 15, 2013 9:51:38 GMT -5
Dare to dream profquigley, but no one left early when Sleepy was in school, and the money wasn't the same. If my child had the opportunity to with one decision, totally change his life trajectory, make enough money to not have to really worry about money ever again, and could potentially risk that by coming back to school and getting hurt, I wouldn't dream of telling him to stay. Georgetown is forever. The NBA is not. And I can only assume that for a 6'8" kid from anywhere in America, playing in the NBA has been his life's dream. College is supposed to give kids the tools to pursue their dreams. For most of us, staying four years and graduating is required. Not for Otto. I know you're not judging him Prof, but this is Otto's opportunity and he should take it. That's a good, measured response. There is a lot to be said for staying - hell, my time at GU was the best 4 years of my life - but I just can't see foregoing the opportunity to jump if you know you are going to be a lottery pick. The other point that was not addressed was the "how much is a final four or national championship worth." IMO, that's probably the weakest reason to stay -- nice in theory but makes little sense in practice. As we all well know, making it out of the first round is pretty tough and the chances of reaching a Final Four are pretty remote, no matter how good the team will be. There are so many factors that have to go just right, from all keys players staying injury-free to getting the right match-ups in the tournament. Sure, it'd be nice to have that legacy, but with the odds against, I just don't see that as a strong incentive for staying.
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Post by superan on Apr 15, 2013 9:57:11 GMT -5
I wonder how many people advised Mark Zuckerberg to stay at Harvard for 3 more years and finish his world-class education.
Go to the NBA, Otto. You've worked hard and have been given earned the opportunity to change your life and your family's life. Georgetown will always be around for you to finish your degree at a later date.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 15, 2013 10:01:13 GMT -5
Profquingley,
As much as I would like to enter your world of dillusional thinking (I mean this in a nice way, of course), I think at this point we should be congratulating Otto on one of the most teriffic seasons we have seen in a while. I think what is interesting is that Otto seems to command the respect of us all and it will be a delight, not just to follow him on his next journey, but to also suport and wish him well.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 15, 2013 10:14:16 GMT -5
Otto Porter has been a great Hoya - a prototype for the type of player we love to have at Georgetown, and the type of person we love to have representing our university. I think he will carry that forward to the NBA, and I have no doubt that he will have a long and successful career.
Hopefully like Jeff Green, Roy Hibbert, and Greg Monroe, he'll keep up his connections to Georgetown with appearances in the Kenner League someday, and in other ways. Porter is the type of guy you wouldn't be surprised to see as a Georgetown coach of some type someday. If he decides to come back and attempt to finish his degree, that would be great, but it's totally understandable if he doesn't do that.
One of the things that demonstrates how great a player Porter was as a Hoya is that he almost never received any major criticism on HoyaTalk, which says a lot for a guy who played starter minutes for two seasons. It would have been great to see him play another season, but the NBA is the only sensible decision for a player in Otto's position. I wish him the best.
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guru
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Post by guru on Apr 15, 2013 10:31:44 GMT -5
I'm guessing David Falk will be there too. Thanks for the BE regular season championship, an unbelievable game at Syracuse this year and some other really great regular season performances in 2 short years. However, I think the debate over "who was a better Hoya, Otto or Jeff?" can end now. It's not even close. Was that ever really a point of debate? I don't think anyone would disagree with you on that one right now.
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Post by SFOHoya on Apr 15, 2013 10:46:52 GMT -5
Otto Porter has been a great Hoya - a prototype for the type of player we love to have at Georgetown, and the type of person we love to have representing our university. I think he will carry that forward to the NBA, and I have no doubt that he will have a long and successful career. This. Good luck Otto. Thanks for representing us proudly. It was a pleasure to watch you play wearing our colors.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Apr 15, 2013 10:55:10 GMT -5
Best of luck Otto!
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Post by dungeon ball on Apr 15, 2013 10:58:03 GMT -5
I'm guessing David Falk will be there too. Thanks for the BE regular season championship, an unbelievable game at Syracuse this year and some other really great regular season performances in 2 short years. However, I think the debate over "who was a better Hoya, Otto or Jeff?" can end now. It's not even close. Was that ever really a point of debate? I don't think anyone would disagree with you on that one right now. In terms of team success, you're right, there's no debate. But if we're talking about who's the better player in terms of skills, I think there's definitely a debate. Not saying Otto's definitely the better player, but it could be debated. Remember, Jeff had 3 other players on that team that got drafted.
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guru
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Post by guru on Apr 15, 2013 11:08:32 GMT -5
Was that ever really a point of debate? I don't think anyone would disagree with you on that one right now. In terms of team success, you're right, there's no debate. But if we're talking about who's the better player in terms of skills, I think there's definitely a debate. Not saying Otto's definitely the better player, but it could be debated. Remember, Jeff had 3 other players on that team that got drafted. Just saying that the answer to the question "Who was a better Hoya?" is not even close. Otto may well end up as a better NBA player, but Jeff contributed much more to the program, as much as I love Otto and wish him well.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Apr 15, 2013 11:21:20 GMT -5
I only wish Otto the best! He deserves it! Kid worked his butt off and now should go get his just reward. Otto, thanks for a great two years!
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Apr 15, 2013 11:29:25 GMT -5
Thank goodness this is all over. Now we can go back to what's important...speculating on Greg's status
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Post by crashdavis on Apr 15, 2013 11:38:16 GMT -5
Been nice having you around, Crash. Don't be a stranger. ;D LOL! Been wondering where Crash was! Oh I've been around, just doing more reading and less posting lately. I will still be rooting for the Hoyas next year and probably drop in quite a bit.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 15, 2013 11:58:02 GMT -5
In terms of team success, you're right, there's no debate. But if we're talking about who's the better player in terms of skills, I think there's definitely a debate. Not saying Otto's definitely the better player, but it could be debated. Remember, Jeff had 3 other players on that team that got drafted. Just saying that the answer to the question "Who was a better Hoya?" is not even close. Otto may well end up as a better NBA player, but Jeff contributed much more to the program, as much as I love Otto and wish him well. Otto's best regular season (sophomore) was clearly superior to Jeff's best regular season (junior). Obviously Jeff had post-season success and Otto didn't, but Jeff also had Roy playing next to him. Certainly the 2007 team meant more to Georgetown than the last several have. But Jeff played in a frontcourt with FOUR other guys who were drafted into the NBA. The guys that Otto played in the frontcourt with are all lucky to even have scholarships at a high major program to be bluntly honest. I won't press this debate and hope others won't either, but I'm just not comfortable with any Hoya fan diminishing the season Otto just had in any way. He carried a very mediocre team to a Big East regular season title and was a first team All-American. The season he just had was arguably the best single season effort any Big East player from any team has had in a decade. There were a ton of great moments along the way and he brought Georgetown tremendous publicity and positive attention. And now we have highly regarded recruits like Isaac Copeland pledging to play at Georgetown largely because they see themselves following in Otto's footsteps. He did a lot for this program.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 15, 2013 12:00:36 GMT -5
Just saying that the answer to the question "Who was a better Hoya?" is not even close. Otto may well end up as a better NBA player, but Jeff contributed much more to the program, as much as I love Otto and wish him well. Otto's best regular season (sophomore) was clearly superior to Jeff's best regular season (junior). Obviously Jeff had post-season success and Otto didn't, but Jeff also had Roy playing next to him. Certainly the 2007 team meant more to Georgetown than the last several have. But Jeff played in a frontcourt with FOUR other guys who were drafted into the NBA. The guys that Otto played in the frontcourt with are all lucky to even have scholarships at a high major program to be bluntly honest. I won't press this debate and hope others won't either, but I'm just not comfortable with any Hoya fan diminishing the season Otto just had in any way. He carried a very mediocre team to a Big East regular season title and was a first team All-American. The season he just had was arguably the best single season effort any Big East player from any team has had in a decade. There were a ton of great moments along the way and he brought Georgetown tremendous publicity and positive attention. And now we have highly regarded recruits like Isaac Copeland pledging to play at Georgetown largely because they see themselves following in Otto's footsteps. He did a lot for this program. The difference between Jeff's legacy and Otto's legacy probably can be boiled down to three letters: R-O-Y.
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Post by guru on Apr 15, 2013 12:12:14 GMT -5
Just saying that the answer to the question "Who was a better Hoya?" is not even close. Otto may well end up as a better NBA player, but Jeff contributed much more to the program, as much as I love Otto and wish him well. Otto's best regular season (sophomore) was clearly superior to Jeff's best regular season (junior). Obviously Jeff had post-season success and Otto didn't, but Jeff also had Roy playing next to him. Certainly the 2007 team meant more to Georgetown than the last several have. But Jeff played in a frontcourt with FOUR other guys who were drafted into the NBA. The guys that Otto played in the frontcourt with are all lucky to even have scholarships at a high major program to be bluntly honest. I won't press this debate and hope others won't either, but I'm just not comfortable with any Hoya fan diminishing the season Otto just had in any way. He carried a very mediocre team to a Big East regular season title and was a first team All-American. The season he just had was arguably the best single season effort any Big East player from any team has had in a decade. There were a ton of great moments along the way and he brought Georgetown tremendous publicity and positive attention. And now we have highly regarded recruits like Isaac Copeland pledging to play at Georgetown largely because they see themselves following in Otto's footsteps. He did a lot for this program. I don't mean to disparage Otto in any way. He is a great player, a great kid and he clearly is an important player in the history of the program. But Jeff chose to come to Georgetown at just about the lowest point in its recent history, and by the time he left the brand was re-established as elite. Otto had a huge season and racked up great stats, but I just don't see any debate as to who was the better HOYA—but then I would place Green near the very top of all-time important players to the program.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 15, 2013 12:17:24 GMT -5
I'm guessing David Falk will be there too. Thanks for the BE regular season championship, an unbelievable game at Syracuse this year and some other really great regular season performances in 2 short years. However, I think the debate over "who was a better Hoya, Otto or Jeff?" can end now. It's not even close. Ewing was the better Hoya. It's not even CLOSE! Case Closed! You had to figure that the Otto bashing would start from those who delusionally believed he would stay.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Apr 15, 2013 12:28:24 GMT -5
i don't think people having an opinion is 'bashing'. i love otto but IMO jeff was a slightly better overall player. i don't think otto has the offensive skills jeff had. jeff had a much better post game. sure jeff had roy and wallace but the level of competition they played against was much better than today. otto deserves all the credit in the world for his performance at suck this year but do people forget jeff dominating a loaded #1 ranked duke team his soph year?
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Post by GUMBA on Apr 15, 2013 12:29:49 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 15, 2013 12:31:10 GMT -5
i don't think people having an opinion is 'bashing'. i love otto but IMO jeff was a slightly better overall player. i don't think otto has the offensive skills jeff had. jeff had a much better post game. sure jeff had roy and wallace but the level of competition they played against was much better than today. otto deserves all the credit in the world for his performance at suck this year but do people forget jeff dominating a loaded #1 ranked duke team his soph year? It's a passive aggressive jab at Otto. Why even bring up Jeff on Otto's big day. Nobody asked him to bring up Jeff in the conversation. You'd only do that if you were upset that Otto is leaving.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Apr 15, 2013 12:38:47 GMT -5
LOL! Been wondering where Crash was! Oh I've been around, just doing more reading and less posting lately. I will still be rooting for the Hoyas next year and probably drop in quite a bit. Thanks for not letting us knuckleheads run you off, and thanks for helping us get to know Bubba!
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