AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Feb 21, 2013 11:02:13 GMT -5
Again, the allusion to "dungeon ball" by RDF was made relative to the tendency of JTIII offense to pass the ball around the perimeter endlessly without cutting, dribble drives or kick-outs. This has been a very real criticism of the offense over the past years.The team should be applauded for the way they are playing, however, JTIII's offense over the past seasons has not been this refined. Therefore, the criticism was a fair one. Everyone who quotes "dungeon ball" after a great offensive performance is just as guilty of being disproportionate in their response as those who complain the end of the Georgetown basketball is coming when we lay an egg (our loss to S.Florida remains there only win ... would anyone have posted this after that game?) No it’s not… I’m not in the huddle, I don’t go to practice, but call it an educated guess that 3 has NEVER told his team "pass the ball around the perimeter endlessly without cutting, dribble drives or kick-outs”…. It makes absolutely no sense.. No JTIII is not on the court but the criticism was that when he saw his players doing this he wouldn't pull the player or change the offensive set that was less of a Princeton set. In other words the perception was he did not adjust.
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AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Feb 21, 2013 11:03:06 GMT -5
What does RDF have to do with the Georgetown-DePaul game last night? Move on people. Agree. Maybe this should be a thread of its own - mutual respect for differing opinions.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Feb 21, 2013 11:36:24 GMT -5
anybody know what recruits were there?
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Feb 21, 2013 12:08:35 GMT -5
What does RDF have to do with the Georgetown-DePaul game last night? Move on people. Agree. Maybe this should be a thread of its own - mutual respect for differing opinions. With the key word being "mutual." Meanwhile, I loved what the team has been bringing this month. Maybe our streak will end at some point, and we'll be frustrated, but I hope we cut the kids some slack when it happens. You can point to almost anyone's performance last night, DSR being the most sensational. I'm Nate's biggest fan, and last night his Stat line was Otto-esque. Only downer for me was seeing Josh for the first time in person. I know he was good in HS and his first year at UCLA, but I've never seen a basketball player that overweight.
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Feb 21, 2013 12:12:38 GMT -5
P.S. What the heck was going on with the scoreboard and big screen last night? It looked new and completely dysfunctional.
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Hoyaholic
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Post by Hoyaholic on Feb 21, 2013 12:16:17 GMT -5
Again, the allusion to "dungeon ball" by RDF was made relative to the tendency of JTIII offense to pass the ball around the perimeter endlessly without cutting, dribble drives or kick-outs. This has been a very real criticism of the offense over the past years. And in RDF's defense it was a real criticism for the first half of this year - just watch the Tennessee game again if you dare. Jabril, and to a lesser extent DSR, challenge defenses by getting to the rim, forcing them to collapse and opening up shots. It's an aspect of the offense that had been sorely lacking when Greg was in the line-up - although I don't think the blame for that can be laid solely at his feet. With Greg in the game, it seemed that Markel was the only guy on the team that would try to dribble into the paint with any regularity (at least in the games against higher-end competition). Now we routinely have 2-3 guys that are a threat to at least challenge his defender off the dribble. Even though neither Jabril or DSR are great finishers, it makes us much harder to defend and opens up other aspects of the offense for both shooters and cutters. It also helps a lot that Nate has developed some post moves that make him a real scoring threat. That, along with Markel's tear-drop arsenal, have been real difference makers in BE play. I too hope for RDF's return, not because I particularly cared for his opinions or his tone, but because he was (is?) a true Hoya fan who cared for the program.
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Post by daymondmyles on Feb 21, 2013 14:41:24 GMT -5
A "true Hoya fan who cared for the program" wouldn't stop following the program because they weren't winning with the style he finds most appealing. Now, can we stop talking about a poster for god's sake?
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 21, 2013 15:06:39 GMT -5
RDF didn't attend GU. He adopted the program as a boy, so he's certainly free to come and go as he pleases, without the same emotional attachment that we have as alumni. Take it from me - he doesn't begrudge any of us the pleasure we are taking in the team's current performance, and he's still happy when the team does well. I too hope he returns. Time will tell.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Feb 21, 2013 15:12:19 GMT -5
No disrespect to RDF, but if I am rooting for a former poster to come back to the community, I'm going with Buffalo, Frank Black or doseofreality.
May they all be happy in whatever alternate time wasting endeavors they are currently exploring.
;D
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Feb 21, 2013 15:19:49 GMT -5
Haven't missed the negativity of dose one bit. That guy made Eeyore looked like a ray of sunshine.
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nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on Feb 21, 2013 15:22:29 GMT -5
Not so much negative but prone to wild mood swings based on however the Hoyas played that day. This whole board is unreasonably optimistic when we win and ludicrously pessimistic when we lose. It's not just RDF.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 21, 2013 15:41:32 GMT -5
Not so much negative but prone to wild mood swings based on however the Hoyas played that day. This whole board is unreasonably optimistic when we win and ludicrously pessimistic when we lose. It's not just RDF. Compared to most message boards/fan bases I'd say we aren't that optimistic. Overall, I'd say we are a much more pessimistic group, even when playing well.
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Post by davishoya on Feb 21, 2013 15:53:34 GMT -5
We scored more points than any other ranked team today. If this is dungeon ball, I wonder what all those other teams are playing... Apologies. I did not intend to start another debate over RDF with my post. I only meant to say that I was happy to see us score more than any other ranked team yesterday and inserted an snide comment/joke that now in hindsight was ill-conceived.
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Post by davishoya on Feb 21, 2013 15:54:44 GMT -5
Being a more recent addition to the board, for the record I have nothing against RDF. I merely found the term "dungeon ball" humorous.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 21, 2013 15:56:15 GMT -5
No it’s not… I’m not in the huddle, I don’t go to practice, but call it an educated guess that 3 has NEVER told his team "pass the ball around the perimeter endlessly without cutting, dribble drives or kick-outs”…. It makes absolutely no sense.. No JTIII is not on the court but the criticism was that when he saw his players doing this he wouldn't pull the player or change the offensive set that was less of a Princeton set. In other words the perception was he did not adjust. This is a ludacris complaint. What you describe, passing the ball around the perimeter endlessly without cutting, dribble drives, or kick outs is not a Princeton set. If he had this team running a more tradition princeton offense, that wouldn't be a problem. We wouldn't be that successful, but lack of movement wouldn't be a problem. We are running more of a two man offense this year and very little Princeton. The perception that JTIII did not adjust was perception because people kept parroting the idea. His offenses and defenses have been adjusted each and every year to the point where they're unrecognizable from one group of kids to another. It's the same thing as announcers saying how efficient our offense is this year, untrue and based on preconceived notions.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Feb 21, 2013 16:04:28 GMT -5
It's like people forget that Henry blossomed last year and so much went through him, and fail to see that we have almost nothing out of the high post now (certainly since GW went out and we stopped force feeding Mikael).
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Feb 21, 2013 16:18:32 GMT -5
What you describe, passing the ball around the perimeter endlessly without cutting, dribble drives, or kick outs is not a Princeton set. There has never been a more accurate description of JT Jrs. offense against a zone from '90-retirement.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 21, 2013 16:21:49 GMT -5
The offense really doesn't look all that Princeton-y right now, but III is still stubborn as all heck, I suppose.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Feb 21, 2013 21:25:10 GMT -5
Nice to rewatch Bowen's dunks and see Josh, Greg and Bolden really enjoying it.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 21, 2013 21:49:29 GMT -5
No disrespect to RDF, but if I am rooting for a former poster to come back to the community, I'm going with Buffalo, Frank Black or doseofreality. May they all be happy in whatever alternate time wasting endeavors they are currently exploring. ;D I exchanged emails with dose for awhile, but lost touch with him. He was a friend and classmate of Angus, another former poster. Dose is not hoyasouth (i.e., he wouldn't be one to only show up on the bad days and berate the program).
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