HoyaNyr320
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Nov 21, 2012 8:21:32 GMT -5
Happy trails and good riddance to Tea-Party "Tyke" Allen West. I don't think there's a more hateful person on either side of the aisle in the new Congress, and that's a good thing. The moderate Republican Florida voters in his mostly conservative district did the right thing by showing him the door. Hopefully this serves as a lesson to the GOP to run moderates in moderate districts. It will help the Congress pass laws in the long run.
*By the way, on the Democratic side, if Alan Grayson behaves the same way he did during his first term, he'll also have the same fate in 2 years.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 22, 2012 0:25:48 GMT -5
Meanwhile, the last three weeks have not been kind to Mitt Romney. As late as Nov. 6 (the day of the election), he sincerely believed he would win, and since then he's become a pariah to the GOP and reduced to odd photo ops at Disneyland. It's like he had no backup plan--remember, after nearly six years of campaigning, Romney had never even thought of writing a concession speech. The New Yorker piece below references his rapid retreat from the national conversation--no one seems too interested in anything he has to say right now. In recent times, most defeated standard-bearers either return to their job in Congress and stay somewhat active and/or connected (Goldwater, Humphrey, McGovern, Dole, Kerry, McCain), or ride out the string as sitting executives and go into semi-retirement (Carter, Gore). I went back to find the last major party nominee with literally no job after the campaign, which I figure was either former VP Walter Mondale (1984) or the now forgotten Wendell Willkie (1940), the only major party nominee to have never been elected to any public office (or served as a senior military officer like Grant and Eisenhower) before being nominated for President. Herman Cain would have been the second, but of course that didn't quite work out. www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2012/11/romneys-republican-disneyland.html |
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 22, 2012 9:34:36 GMT -5
Nice to see how magnanimous our Democrat friends are in victory.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 22, 2012 14:23:51 GMT -5
Both sides share blame for the polarization of the parties, because neither tolerates basic dialogue and debate.
The GOP ran off the liberal Republican base and now have lost New England for a generation. The Democrats abandoned the conservative Democrats of the South and rural West and we know what happened there. In today's GOP, there would be no place for a Rockefeller (or his modern day counterpart, Mike Bloomberg). In today's Democratic party, Scoop Jackson and John Connolly would be run out of the convention hall.
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Post by Boz on Nov 27, 2012 10:11:05 GMT -5
An early straw poll from a conservative website on the most popular candidates for 2016. Obviously a very small sample size, but these will be popular names even in larger polls. I have taken the liberty of marking those who, if nominated, will cause me to crawl under a rock and die.  1) Marco Rubio (FL Senator) 20.5% (16 votes) 2) Rand Paul (KY Senator) 14.1% (11 votes)3) Scott Walker (WI Governor) 11.5% (9 votes)4) Bobby Jindal (LA Gov) 9% (7 votes) 4) Paul Ryan (WI Congressman. VP candidate) 9% (7 votes) 6) Jeb Bush (Former Fl Governor) 6.4% (5 votes) 6) Sarah Palin (Former AL Governor. VP candidate) 6.4% (5 votes)8) Mike Pence (IN Governor) 5.1% (4 votes) 9) Susana Martinez (NM Governor) 3.8% (3 votes)10) Chris Christie (NJ Governor) 2.6% (2 votes) 11) Ted Cruz (TX Senator) 2.6% (2 votes)12) Rick Perry (TX Governor) 1.3% (1 votes)12) Mike Huckabee (Former AK Governor) 1.3% (1 votes)12) Mitch Daniels (Former IN Governor) 1.3% (1 votes) 12) Condi Rice (Former Secretary of State) 1.3% (1 votes) 12) Rick Santorum (Former PA Senator) 1.3% (1 votes)12) Nikki Haley (SC Gov) 1.3% (1 votes) 12) Bob McDonnell (VA Governor) 1.3% (1 votes) |
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Post by TC on Nov 27, 2012 10:32:11 GMT -5
People not on that list who I think will run in 2016 :
Thune
Gingrich
Huntsman (third party)
Top three primary finishers, not in any particular order : Rubio/Christie/Bush
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 27, 2012 13:52:08 GMT -5
I have taken the liberty of marking those who, if nominated, will cause me to crawl under a rock and die. 1) Marco Rubio (FL Senator) 20.5% (16 votes) 2) Rand Paul (KY Senator) 14.1% (11 votes)3) Scott Walker (WI Governor) 11.5% (9 votes)4) Bobby Jindal (LA Gov) 9% (7 votes) 4) Paul Ryan (WI Congressman. VP candidate) 9% (7 votes) 6) Jeb Bush (Former Fl Governor) 6.4% (5 votes) 6) Sarah Palin (Former AL Governor. VP candidate) 6.4% (5 votes)8) Mike Pence (IN Governor) 5.1% (4 votes) 9) Susana Martinez (NM Governor) 3.8% (3 votes)10) Chris Christie (NJ Governor) 2.6% (2 votes) 11) Ted Cruz (TX Senator) 2.6% (2 votes)12) Rick Perry (TX Governor) 1.3% (1 votes)12) Mike Huckabee (Former AK Governor) 1.3% (1 votes)12) Mitch Daniels (Former IN Governor) 1.3% (1 votes) 12) Condi Rice (Former Secretary of State) 1.3% (1 votes) 12) Rick Santorum (Former PA Senator) 1.3% (1 votes)12) Nikki Haley (SC Gov) 1.3% (1 votes) 12) Bob McDonnell (VA Governor) 1.3% (1 votes) I'll scratch Ryan, Rice, and Daniels from the likely list as well. In hindsight, Romney should have picked Portman and Ryan added almost nothing to the ticket. By 2016, Gingrich will be 73 by then and Hillary will be almost 70--this will be a younger man/woman's game. Here's my eight to test the waters: Rubio, Bush, Christie, Thune, Huntsman, McDonnell, Perry (again, with the same result) and Santorum. Palin will test the waters but the support won't be there by '16, much like Quayle in 2000 (for those that remember that far back). |
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Post by Boz on Nov 27, 2012 14:04:22 GMT -5
Just to clarify, my crossed off list was not identifying who I necessarily liked or disliked.
I simply crossed off the ones who would be unmitigated disasters if nominated, and who the Democrats could probably beat with a combined ticket of Alan Grayson and Jesse Jackson Jr.
The ones I didn't cross off I think are viable candidates.
Though, yeah, probably not Ryan. Failed VP candidates aren't usually the best bets for either a nomination or a GE win.
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Post by TC on Nov 27, 2012 14:58:42 GMT -5
By 2016, Gingrich will be 73 by then and Hillary will be almost 70--this will be a younger man/woman's game. I'm pretty sure four years ago you used that same reasoning for why Gingrich won't run in 2012. You are forgetting that this is Newt Gingrich and that he loves to run for President even when it's not realistic. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 27, 2012 15:05:25 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure four years ago you used that same reasoning for why Gingrich won't run in 2012. You are forgetting that this is Newt Gingrich and that he loves to run for President even when it's not realistic. That's my story and I'm sticking to it-- thaat is, unless Sheldon Adelson is willing to fund him again. Other than that, where does he get the money? Maybe these folks. aazk.org/ |
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 28, 2012 13:33:47 GMT -5
I believe Nikki Haley, here in SC, will have great difficulty being reelected to governorship. She's not very popular right now. So, I'd scratch her from the list. Also, at this time, Rubio is the most likely nominee but the Dems and the press will destroy him before 2016 through whatever means possible. How about Kelly Ayotte?
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Post by TC on Nov 28, 2012 13:39:50 GMT -5
I believe Nikki Haley, here in SC, will have great difficulty being reelected to governorship. She's not very popular right now. So, I'd scratch her from the list. Why? Mitt Romney probably wouldn't have won a second term at Governor. He was the nominee. |
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Post by Boz on Nov 28, 2012 13:49:43 GMT -5
Anyone who votes against Nikki Haley is flat out un-American and should be deported. Immediately! She is the hottest governor in all of recorded U.S. history!! Seriously. Look at this list. I mean, there's barely anyone who can come in second, let alone challenge her for the title. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_governors_in_the_United_StatesSarah Palin's kinda' hot, sure, but I think that's mostly the glasses. Also Nikki Haley doesn't sound like an impersonation of herself, so she gets quite a few points for that. |
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 5, 2012 10:40:03 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 5, 2012 11:05:19 GMT -5
There is a long tradition of US suspicion to international treaties (the League of Nations being an obvious example) but if the UN's behind it, it's bound to bring up opposition. There are numerous treaties to which neither the Senate nor the President has really pushed forward, in large part because treaty law has no inherent popular support: www.vote.org/treaties |
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Post by TC on Dec 5, 2012 11:26:37 GMT -5
Can anyone explain what exactly the opposition to this treaty is? Are we really voting down treaties because Democratic President/black helicopters? I googled around and tried to find an explanation and all I can find is Santorum spouting a bunch of nonsense.
And I'm honestly asking here - I can't figure out whether I'm missing something here because of poor reporting.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 5, 2012 11:40:15 GMT -5
Can anyone explain what exactly the opposition to this treaty is? Are we really voting down treaties because Democratic President/black helicopters? I googled around and tried to find an explanation and all I can find is Santorum spouting a bunch of nonsense. And I'm honestly asking here - I can't figure out whether I'm missing something here because of poor reporting. From what I can gather, it's the same issue that has affected treaties for Democratic and Republican presidents for the last 100 years--if there's any thought that US law or policy will be subordinate to international decree, there will be people that will vote against it. This treaty has bipartisan support but tell the Senate that someone in The Hague can dictate policy to them, and down it goes. |
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 5, 2012 12:03:00 GMT -5
Everything DFW says is true regarding international treaties. However, in the current context my post was in reference to the Republican Party "brand" and the further damage it will self-inflict. The optic is this: most Americans will read the headline and sssume the current Republican Party opposes rights for disabled people all over the world, which is not the case since the ADA was passed during the GHW Bush, and GW Bush negotitated the Treaty which was signed by the Obama Administration. In the current context, it will be bandied about as another example of the control the Tea Party, severely conservative right wing base of the Republican Party has over the "moederate" wing of the Party, such as it is.
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Post by thebin on Dec 5, 2012 12:32:05 GMT -5
I don't agree that the GOP has to shut up and marginalize US sovereignty a little bit here. International treaties like this are silly and have the opposite effect of what they intend if they have any effect....which they generally do not. Furthermore, the US is almost certainly the most progressive country in history for proactively protecting the rights of the disabled....I don't much care to submit ourselves a body which constantly places despicable regimes on its human rights committees for example so that they may oversee how we protect the rights of OUR citizens.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 5, 2012 13:53:18 GMT -5
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