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Post by whatrocks33 on Sept 12, 2012 9:52:36 GMT -5
we're not going to the ACC. The ACC is as delusional as we were in '85, hoping that ND football will join because we gave them a landing spot for the other sports. The ACC doesn't want to add a non-football member because IF Notre Dame does move its football to the ACC (and due to a playoff, it might need to), a non-football member like us and ND gives them 15 in football.
The ACC will add a new member (Vanderbilt?) when Notre Dame is ready to move football. 15 doesn't cause problems in basketball like it does in football, and the only way Notre Dame moves football is a playoff where being a conference champion is a requirement or at least a plus.
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Post by jgalt on Sept 12, 2012 9:52:55 GMT -5
Well, either way, this sucks for now. But some one else is going to move to the ACC to balance out the bball schedule. Easy enough to think of who it could be: Nova, Temple, UConn, Memphis, Rutgers, Gtown. Well eliminate all the schools who like football (Temple, UConn, Rutgers). Eliminate Memphis because it doesnt fit the image the ACC has for itself. UMD wont let gtown in. So Nova would be my pick. Maybe Xavier? Who knows. This has nothing to do with basketball. None of it ever does. The musical chairs on this issue is among three schools: 1. Louisville 2. Connecticut 3. Rutgers There is no interest in Georgetown or anyone else. I revised what I now wrote. |
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Sept 12, 2012 9:54:45 GMT -5
Just to fan flames that IMO have nothing to them: @jeffeisenberg Speculation about ACC wanting basketball-only 16th member to keep even numbers for football and hoops makes sense to me. Hello, Georgetown? Yes, please! I don't care if we built the BE. You can build a house, too. You still leave when it's on fire. I'm not sure you move in with the people who set it on fire. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 12, 2012 9:56:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure you move in with the people who set it on fire. I understand this sentiment but if the ultimate choice is being in a relevant conference or becoming a mid-major or worse (not saying this will happen immediately, but the likelihood of it happening eventually is a decent possibility), I think it's a choice that would have to be made, if offered. |
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Post by jgalt on Sept 12, 2012 9:58:05 GMT -5
The ACC will add a new member (Vanderbilt?) And give up the sweet teet that is the SEC TV rights? No Way |
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Post by BigmanU on Sept 12, 2012 9:59:38 GMT -5
Just to fan flames that IMO have nothing to them: @jeffeisenberg Speculation about ACC wanting basketball-only 16th member to keep even numbers for football and hoops makes sense to me. Hello, Georgetown? Villanova makes sense. Quality basketball, suspect Football & located in Philly They already have representaion from the DMV in UMD. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 12, 2012 10:00:43 GMT -5
Another thought - for those of you who complain about Georgetown's home games, envision a scenario where the schedule would have these schools rotating through the Verizon Center - Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and Maryland. You would be guaranteed a packed arena for all five of those opponents.
Losing the Big East tournament in New York would be a shame and the historical connections would be lost, but overall, I think it would be much, much, better for Georgetown basketball. And that's our major concern here, right?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 12, 2012 10:01:13 GMT -5
www.theacc.com/genrel/091212aaa.htmlIt's time for an ACC/Big East mega-conference with 16 or so football schools and 24 basketball. The "East Coast Conference", basketball sub-conferences— North: BC, UMD, Cuse, Pitt, UConn, GU, ND, Providence, St. John's, Nova, Rutgers, Temple South: Clemson, Duke, Fla. State, Georgia Tech, Miami, UNC, NC State, UVA, Va. Tech, Wake Forrest, Louisville, Memphis Except that's 24 basketball schools and 19 football schools. I say kick out memphis, Providence. Then you have 22 basketball and 18 football. That being said all the rumors are they're looking for a non football member. Nova mentioned it on their boards a couple days ago. They seem to think it's between them and us. The only advantage they have over us is providing a new market in one sense. But they hardly cover that market. Penn State and Temple have more fans in philly than Nova. There has been no mention of adding a full football member at this point. Perhaps we should email Reed and let him know he needs to pursue this and accept an invite should it become available. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 12, 2012 10:03:18 GMT -5
Well, either way, this sucks for now. But some one else is going to move to the ACC to balance out the bball schedule. Easy enough to think of who it could be: Nova, Temple, UConn, Memphis, Rutgers, Gtown. Well eliminate all the schools who like football (Temple, UConn, Rutgers). Eliminate Memphis because it doesnt fit the image the ACC has for itself. UMD wont let gtown in. So Nova would be my pick. Maybe Xavier? Who knows. This has nothing to do with basketball. None of it ever does. The musical chairs on this issue is among three schools: 1. Louisville 2. Connecticut 3. Rutgers There is no interest in Georgetown or anyone else. Yup |
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Post by RBHoya on Sept 12, 2012 10:04:17 GMT -5
we're not going to the ACC. The ACC is as delusional as we were in '85, hoping that ND football will join because we gave them a landing spot for the other sports. The ACC doesn't want to add a non-football member because IF Notre Dame does move its football to the ACC (and due to a playoff, it might need to), a non-football member like us and ND gives them 15 in football. The ACC will add a new member (Vanderbilt?) when Notre Dame is ready to move football. 15 doesn't cause problems in basketball like it does in football, and the only way Notre Dame moves football is a playoff where being a conference champion is a requirement or at least a plus. Again I am not saying I think this would happen, because I think we're all just daydreaming here to avoid contemplating the harsh reality.... BUT... what about a scenario where ND agrees to play the full 8 game ACC schedule. It happens on the condition that the ACC adds Navy as a football only, so ND doesn't have to schedule them OOC in football (would be same arrangement Navy has penciled in with BE, only a better league).... That would put them at 16 football, 15 basketball... They'd need 1 more "basketball only" to have a nice, even 16 in every sport. Imagine if schools like Notre Dame, Boston College and Syracuse all came out strongly in favor of our inclusion  |
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Post by whatrocks33 on Sept 12, 2012 10:04:19 GMT -5
again, adding a non-football member to the ACC makes it tough for the ACC to add ND football if/when ND is ready to move its football to a conference. The ACC wants to be the most logical landing spot for when that does happen.
It's not going to be Villanova. It's not going to be us. It's going to be a football playing member.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Sept 12, 2012 10:10:51 GMT -5
There's no rush for the ACC or ND to join in football. The ACC got what it wanted: it gets to increase its rights fees because presumably two or three of its teams will be playing home games against ND on an annual basis and ESPN will air those games (even if ND doesn't move away from NBC for its home games). There's a heck of a lot of value in that to the league and to ESPN. Obviously, there's more money if ND joins in full, but this is still a big financial positive for the league. They both can see how the new playoff is working and if ND feels it needs to join the ACC, it will.
I don't see why the ACC would poach a team in the meantime. If ND ends up joining, the obvious move is to poach a Rutgers/UConn/Vandy/Louisville that plays both sports. If ND doesn't end up joining, sure the basketball league has an odd number, but so what? You can have one big division with creative scheduling -- the BE has done it before. You can have odd numbered-pods that work, for example.
Bottom line: there would simply be no reason to add a basketball-only member. It cuts into basketball revenue for no good reason; it creates a league with multiple interests akin to the BE and the tensions that brings (for no good reason); and -- most importantly -- it means that if ND eventually DOES join for football, you're back in a postion of having an odd number for basketball again (once you add another school to balance the football league).
The ACC blinked, but I don't blame them. Each of the other major conferences wanted ND to join, but they wanted them to join for all sports, and ND wouldn't do it.
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Post by adlai on Sept 12, 2012 10:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by whatrocks33 on Sept 12, 2012 10:12:39 GMT -5
and why would the ACC want to increase its basketball profile, anyway? Even when we were deeper the past few years, they were stronger at the top than we were. They've had at least some claim to "best basketball conference" for years now and are adding Pitt and Cuse.
Realignment is driven by football. We're not a valuable commodity on this market. Unless ND says, "Add Georgetown or else!" we have no bargaining chip. Our market? Already ACC territory. Basketball prowess? They have plenty of that. History? Ditto.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 12, 2012 10:15:13 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 12, 2012 10:20:12 GMT -5
again, adding a non-football member to the ACC makes it tough for the ACC to add ND football if/when ND is ready to move its football to a conference. The ACC wants to be the most logical landing spot for when that does happen. It's not going to be Villanova. It's not going to be us. It's going to be a football playing member. They can't just bring in an all sports member right now because then they'd have an uneven number of football teams since ND is not in the ACC for football. The wait and see approach makes sense for the ACC, but who knows maybe we get lucky. |
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Post by jgalt on Sept 12, 2012 10:23:45 GMT -5
There could be something good come out of this. ND effectively leaving Ind. makes it harder for other Indy schools to schedule. That leave BYU very vulnerable. BYU is basically ND without the over blown history: Strong Religious following, lots of money, strong academics.
If the BE adds BYU in all sports it is in some ways better off than with only ND basketball. And the BE needs another Football member.
The important thing is to increase the fees to leave, like now. (unless everyone wants to leave, then well, head to the bunkers everyone).
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Post by whatrocks33 on Sept 12, 2012 10:24:48 GMT -5
Right. So their options are bring in a non-football playing school - which precludes ND from EVER playing football in the ACC, or wait until ND is ready and then add a football school. Which one makes more sense to you?
Also, a buddy of mine who has good ND connections said the Irish are going to try and bring Navy to the ACC if they ever make the move to full-on ACC membership. It's frustrating to think our geographic location hurts us because we add nothing to the table yet a school an hour away could be attractive to the ACC.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 12, 2012 10:30:42 GMT -5
Right. So their options are bring in a non-football playing school - which precludes ND from EVER playing football in the ACC, or wait until ND is ready and then add a football school. Which one makes more sense to you? Also, a buddy of mine who has good ND connections said the Irish are going to try and bring Navy to the ACC if they ever make the move to full-on ACC membership. It's frustrating to think our geographic location hurts us because we add nothing to the table yet a school an hour away could be attractive to the ACC. I don't think adding a non-football school would preclude Notre Dame from ever playing in the ACC. If Notre Dame wanted to join any conference, that conference would ensure it happens, even if it means adding another school at the time. I agree about the geographic location thing. Would it really help the conference that much to be in Philadelphia than Washington DC? I doubt it, but some people seem obsessed with geography. |
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Post by hoyabinx on Sept 12, 2012 10:35:01 GMT -5
Right. So their options are bring in a non-football playing school - which precludes ND from EVER playing football in the ACC, or wait until ND is ready and then add a football school. Which one makes more sense to you? Also, a buddy of mine who has good ND connections said the Irish are going to try and bring Navy to the ACC if they ever make the move to full-on ACC membership. It's frustrating to think our geographic location hurts us because we add nothing to the table yet a school an hour away could be attractive to the ACC. I don't think adding a non-football school would preclude Notre Dame from ever playing in the ACC. If Notre Dame wanted to join any conference, that conference would ensure it happens, even if it means adding another school at the time. I agree about the geographic location thing. Would it really help the conference that much to be in Philadelphia than Washington DC? I doubt it, but some people seem obsessed with geography. If I am the ACC I pick up Nova with the idea that if ND joins in 5 years, Nova can be brought up. |
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