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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 12, 2012 9:30:29 GMT -5
We need to join the ACC in non-football sports now. It's time. I'm sorry, but this and strummer's last post are just comical. Like Georgetown can wave a magic wand and the ACC will suddenly shift its focus from BCS football and getting a huge TV deal (to share among the fewest number of teams possible) to expanding on the basketball side. Let's get real here. We're heading on a slow march towards a Bball-only conference. I wasn't saying we could do anything to make it happen. I just think it would be the most satisfying outcome. If Georgetown had a magic wand, we'd probably trade it for beans, and then lose the beans. |
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Post by RBHoya on Sept 12, 2012 9:30:52 GMT -5
Not sure who precipitated this one... ACC is obviously very focused on killing the BE (or relegating it to mid-major status) and being the dominant sports league in the eastern United States. I think that's been their objective for a decade (or more) now. If the BE was able to land a tv deal as good as or better than theirs in the current negotiations, it would make their leadership look pretty awful. They want to assert their dominance.
Not sure if ESPN may have played a role though, as they did with Cuse/Pitt. Considering Notre Dame's current relationship with NBC, it seems like this move may hurt the BE's chances of getting a big deal from the NBC Family. I guess we'll find out.
Our primary objectives are still the same--need to a) ensure that we're maximizing national tv exposure for our basketball team b) ensure that we're playing good and/or popular opponents to Verizon so that we can continue to sell tickets and c) ensuring that our non-revenue sports teams have a solid league to compete in. It hasn't been easy and won't be getting any easier, but we can survive. I do think that given our precarious position that we can't afford to let ego get in the way of scheduling games like Maryland or Cuse at Verizon. Games like that help ensure we achieve A & B regardless of where the conference shuffle leaves us. I'd support an OOC matchup with ND too (they may not need it with UMCP already in the DC area). I hate how it has all played out too, but we're in a dog fight to stay relevant and can't let our pride get in the way.
Finally I know some people will make the "Well, if ND can be a member in everything but football, why can't we?".... It was and still is a ridiculously long shot. We just don't bring enough to the table. We don't have a big enough national fanbase and we don't open up a market (ACC already has a more popular team in the same market). Can't see any way Maryland signs off on it. We'd be just another team that they and many other ACC teams would have to recruit against. Much more convenient for the ACC if we just fade into mid-majordom. Definitely don't see them throwing us a lifeline.
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Post by GUJook97 on Sept 12, 2012 9:32:28 GMT -5
ACC now has 15 basketball schools. We are a nice fit as the 16th school, imo. Yes, football is king and they might not make the offer. We need to try to get in though. I agree. Someone is going to do it. Maybe we can make a hard sell on how great it would be to have Gtown-Syracuse there, and how much all those teams can be helped with a DC market, and a natural rivarly with Maryland, etc. I agree that Maryland would do everything possible to stop this, probably. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 12, 2012 9:33:12 GMT -5
Didn't ESPN's exclusive 60-day negotiating window with the Big East open at midnight on September 1st? Wow, what a coincidence. Bristol's fingerprints are all over this. Gives Mike Aresco even more reason to give NBC a call in November, since they're likely losing ND from its football package. Pressure is now on UConn, who were rebuffed by BC to join last year. Rutgers is the odd-man-out in the ESPN-16. |
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Post by reformation on Sept 12, 2012 9:33:14 GMT -5
Very bad news --not sure what we can practically do about it--we really need to explore some options for our non bb sports as new was the top team in many of them
Track--BE is really just GTWN, Vill,Prov(xc only)
LAX is Gtwn,Loy
Soccer--hurt, but still ok
Women's rowing, Louisville,Gtwn(also a bit of a stretch for both)
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 12, 2012 9:35:11 GMT -5
Let's not delude ourselves, the ACC fully intends that ND will be a football memeber down the road, this is the best way to transition the ND fan base into that reality. The ACC has no interest in us.
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Post by GUJook97 on Sept 12, 2012 9:37:14 GMT -5
Let's not delude ourselves, the ACC fully intends that ND will be a football memeber down the road, this is the best way to transition the ND fan base into that reality. The ACC has no interest in us. That's probably true, but we should still do everything we can to try to get in. |
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Post by hoya95 on Sept 12, 2012 9:38:40 GMT -5
Didn't ESPN's exclusive 60-day negotiating window with the Big East open at midnight on September 1st? Wow, what a coincidence. Bristol's fingerprints are all over this. Gives Mike Aresco even more reason to give NBC a call in November, since they're likely losing ND from its football package. Pressure is now on UConn, who were rebuffed by BC to join last year. Rutgers is the odd-man-out in the ESPN-16. I'd be pretty shocked if Notre Dame left NBC. They are definitely staying independent in football (with the scheduling compromise). NBC has no other major football packages. I can't imagine any reason why Notre Dame would ever want to join in with the rest of the ACC on a football TV deal. Why share the money when you don't have to? |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 12, 2012 9:39:43 GMT -5
The Big East is Georgetown's home. GU built it. It's not leaving, nor should it.
And, to be fair, Georgetown's unique combination of sports and sports funding doesn't fit any other conference model. Too big for the small conferences, too small for the big ones.
As to the post above, of course ND will eventually leave NBC. The ACC deal is exclusively with the Worldwide Leader, and they will push (or have already agreed to) get as many games on its network, not the competitor.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Sept 12, 2012 9:41:50 GMT -5
ND needed a spot for their football team to get in on bowl games if/when they aren't BCS eligible. Since the BE tie ins maybe weren't attractive, this move was made. We get rid of one hoops team which isn't that big of a deal and I gotta think the BE knew this was happening thus the announcement they are looking for another FB school. Still stinks.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 12, 2012 9:42:06 GMT -5
Georgetown joining the ACC would be a great result, but I think the odds of that happening are very small. Unlike Notre Dame, we have nothing to offer for football and we really would do very little to bolster the conferences standing, except bettering the basketball side of things. My fear is that even if the ACC did offer membership, Georgetown would stupidly turn it down on misguided reasoning.
It's highly unlikely the ACC would ever offer Georgetown a chance to join the ACC, but if they did make an offer, Georgetown would be dumb to turn it down.
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Post by hoyabinx on Sept 12, 2012 9:43:04 GMT -5
ACC now has 15 basketball schools. We are a nice fit as the 16th school, imo. Yes, football is king and they might not make the offer. We need to try to get in though. I'd take that in a second, but Nova and Marquette make more sense for the ACC because they open up new markets. Also, MD probably would object. |
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Post by jgalt on Sept 12, 2012 9:44:54 GMT -5
Dan Wetzel, with Yahoo, is reporting that "Concern over future football scheduling drove ND to make ACC move." Alright, but that doesnt make much sense. Why wouldnt you just join as a full member? TV contracts can be changed, ND obviously has the money to do it. And from a competition stand point, ND should have just put FB in the Big East where it could have much more success and have a clear path to a national championship spot.
Well, either way, this sucks for now. But some one else is going to move to the ACC to balance out the bball schedule. Easy enough to think of who it could be: Nova, Temple, UConn, Memphis, Rutgers, Gtown. Well eliminate all the schools who like football (Temple, UConn, Rutgers). Eliminate Memphis because it doesnt fit the image the ACC has for itself. UMD wont let gtown in. So Nova would be my pick. Maybe Xavier? Who knows. Changed my mind. Now I am thinking that ND will eventually join ACC for Football. Just in the future once their Almuni become less delusional about the whole independence thing. That means ACC targets would be Temple, Nova, Uconn, LVille Rutgers. And I think Temple and Nova would be the leaders. They have FB but not big time, so they could be bball only until ND joins full, then they could bring their FB in to even things out. Also opens a new market.
Here is another depressing thought. The ACC north division could be UMD, VA, VTech, ND, Cuse, BC, Pitt. Ugh.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Sept 12, 2012 9:45:13 GMT -5
Although, Maryland is the one insisting that we play them....
This is one way they could get their wish
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Post by Boz on Sept 12, 2012 9:47:40 GMT -5
Notre Dame tired of getting roughed up by Big Ten teams over the past decade?
We look forward to playing Duke and UNC and Maryland and Syracuse in football.
Whoa!! Not so fast, Virginia Tech! We've got a pretty full schedule.
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Post by guru on Sept 12, 2012 9:48:21 GMT -5
And, to be fair, Georgetown's unique combination of sports and sports funding doesn't fit any other conference model. Too big for the small conferences, too small for the big ones. So that makes us a mid-major, correct? |
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Post by RBHoya on Sept 12, 2012 9:48:42 GMT -5
Just to fan flames that IMO have nothing to them:
@jeffeisenberg
Speculation about ACC wanting basketball-only 16th member to keep even numbers for football and hoops makes sense to me. Hello, Georgetown?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 12, 2012 9:50:33 GMT -5
Well, either way, this sucks for now. But some one else is going to move to the ACC to balance out the bball schedule. Easy enough to think of who it could be: Nova, Temple, UConn, Memphis, Rutgers, Gtown. Well eliminate all the schools who like football (Temple, UConn, Rutgers). Eliminate Memphis because it doesnt fit the image the ACC has for itself. UMD wont let gtown in. So Nova would be my pick. Maybe Xavier? Who knows. This has nothing to do with basketball. None of it ever does. The musical chairs on this issue is among three schools: 1. Louisville 2. Connecticut 3. Rutgers There is no interest in Georgetown or anyone else. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 12, 2012 9:51:02 GMT -5
Just to fan flames that IMO have nothing to them: @jeffeisenberg Speculation about ACC wanting basketball-only 16th member to keep even numbers for football and hoops makes sense to me. Hello, Georgetown? Given Georgetown's history of decision-making, my feeling is they would turn down any offer because of loyalty to the Big East, only to have the Big East collapse in a few years. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 12, 2012 9:51:56 GMT -5
Just to fan flames that IMO have nothing to them: @jeffeisenberg Speculation about ACC wanting basketball-only 16th member to keep even numbers for football and hoops makes sense to me. Hello, Georgetown? Yes, please! I don't care if we built the BE. You can build a house, too. You still leave when it's on fire. |
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