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Post by rockhoya on May 11, 2013 10:50:56 GMT -5
Once your eligibility clock starts you have 5 years to play. There are exceptions. Josh played 5 semesters at UCLA, he has 3 left with us.
Egerson and Nikita had no incentive to play past their graduation. In normal cases, you are afforded the opportunity to take fewer classes each semester (3 minimum required) so that you can spend that extra year in school. Additionally, depending on the sport (football players) some people set it up so that they graduate after fall semester and don't have to return to school in the spring of their 5th year.
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Post by kghoya on May 11, 2013 10:53:47 GMT -5
The main point most people miss is that the NCAA doesn't break up eligibility into semesters, it's seasons. Nikita and Marc played 2 seasons at each school.
Josh played 3 seasons at UCLA. He's got a season at Georgetown unless they can get some sort of ruling that last season doesn't count/is a redshirt season/whatever they are trying to call it in their waiver request.
I'll be absolutely stunned if that works out but I'd be all for it.
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Post by kghoya on May 11, 2013 10:54:52 GMT -5
Once your eligibility clock starts you have 5 years to play. There are exceptions. Josh played 5 semesters at UCLA, he has 3 left with us. This is very wrong. |
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Post by rockhoya on May 11, 2013 10:54:56 GMT -5
The main point most people miss is that the NCAA doesn't break up eligibility into semesters, it's seasons. Nikita and Marc played 2 seasons at each school. Josh played 3 seasons at UCLA. He's got a season at Georgetown unless they can get some sort of ruling that last season doesn't count/is a redshirt season/whatever they are trying to call it in their waiver request. I'll be absolutely stunned if that works out but I'd be all for it. That's incorrect. |
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Post by rockhoya on May 11, 2013 10:55:37 GMT -5
Once your eligibility clock starts you have 5 years to play. There are exceptions. Josh played 5 semesters at UCLA, he has 3 left with us. This is very wrong. Please explain how so. |
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Post by calhoya on May 11, 2013 10:57:23 GMT -5
Drew Gordon left UCLA at the semester like Smith. He transferred to New Mexico and sat out the second semester of that school year and the first semester of the next, like Smith will do. Gordon then played three semesters for the Lobos. Unless the rule has changed in the past year, Smith has three semesters left with the Hiyas.
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Post by rockhoya on May 11, 2013 11:02:11 GMT -5
Once your eligibility clock starts you have 5 years to play. There are exceptions. Josh played 5 semesters at UCLA, he has 3 left with us. This is very wrong. The 5 years accounts for one year of regular redshirting or transfers and there are exceptions you can apply for, i.e. medical redshirts. |
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Post by kghoya on May 11, 2013 11:05:12 GMT -5
Drew Gordon played parts of 2 seasons at UCLA and then parts of 2 seasons at New Mexico.
He didn't played parts of 2 seasons at UCLA and then parts of 3 seasons at New Mexico.
People here are suggesting that Josh Smith will play parts of 3 seasons at UCLA and then parts of 2 seasons at Georgetown. I don't know why that keeps happening, but it does.
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Post by rockhoya on May 11, 2013 11:06:48 GMT -5
Drew Gordon played parts of 2 seasons at UCLA and then parts of 2 seasons at New Mexico. He didn't played parts of 2 seasons at UCLA and then parts of 3 seasons at New Mexico. Three semesters isn't parts of three season...it's parts of two..... |
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Post by rockhoya on May 11, 2013 11:08:17 GMT -5
People here are suggesting that Josh Smith will play parts of 3 seasons at UCLA and then parts of 2 seasons at Georgetown. I don't know why that keeps happening, but it does. Nobody is suggesting anything, they're just stating the rules. Serious, simple question....have you ever transferred schools as an NCAA athlete? |
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Post by rockhoya on May 11, 2013 11:14:59 GMT -5
And I don't want to start random speculation but I heard through the grape vine that Josh might apply for a waiver to get credit for an extra semester since he didn't play in too many games last fall. Take it for what it's worth, I can't think of a precedent off the top of my head.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 11, 2013 11:16:21 GMT -5
If I am wrong, I'll freely admit it, it just seems odd that you'd lose an entire year of eligibility after only playing a handful of games. It seems very unfair. In other words, if Smith didn't play at all last year, he'd have two more years of eligibility remaining, but because he played 81 minutes, he has one semester left, instead? I mean, the whole reason he has only 1 semester left is because he can't play in the fall under the NCAA rules.
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Post by EtomicB on May 11, 2013 11:17:37 GMT -5
The main point most people miss is that the NCAA doesn't break up eligibility into semesters, it's seasons. Nikita and Marc played 2 seasons at each school. Josh played 3 seasons at UCLA. He's got a season at Georgetown unless they can get some sort of ruling that last season doesn't count/is a redshirt season/whatever they are trying to call it in their waiver request. I'll be absolutely stunned if that works out but I'd be all for it. Lamb played only one game this season, so it will be interesting to see if he and Long Beach State try to get that year back. If Lamb cannot, he will have a year and a half of eligibility remaining and can play for the 49ers as early as the second semester of the 2013-2014 season (late December). |
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Post by rockhoya on May 11, 2013 11:24:05 GMT -5
I can't believe that this is even being debated. It's common knowledge you don't lose any playing eligibility while sitting out. That would make no sense. No one would transfer. You can't not break up a season into 2 separate semesters. These are NCAA student athletes. The student part comes first. That's like saying you spent 3 semesters at Pepperdine, then transferred to Harvard and only had 4 semesters to complete...
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Post by kghoya on May 11, 2013 11:35:35 GMT -5
I can't believe that this is even being debated. It's common knowledge you don't lose any playing eligibility while sitting out. That would make no sense. No one would transfer. You can't not break up a season into 2 separate semesters. These are NCAA student athletes. The student part comes first. That's like saying you spent 3 semesters at Pepperdine, then transferred to Harvard and only had 4 semesters to complete... You don't lose eligibility by sitting out, you lose it by playing. Smith played part of last season, his third in college basketball. He has a season remaining. Show me an example where a player played 3 semesters at one school and then 5 at another. It will require a waiver. You don't get 1.5 seasons here and then 2.5 seasons there. Nikita played 2 seasons at Georgetown, then 2 at Wake. Gordon played 2 seasons at UCLA, then 2 at New Mexico. Where is the disconnect? |
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Post by EtomicB on May 11, 2013 12:01:03 GMT -5
I can't believe that this is even being debated. It's common knowledge you don't lose any playing eligibility while sitting out. That would make no sense. No one would transfer. You can't not break up a season into 2 separate semesters. These are NCAA student athletes. The student part comes first. That's like saying you spent 3 semesters at Pepperdine, then transferred to Harvard and only had 4 semesters to complete... You don't lose eligibility by sitting out, you lose it by playing. Smith played part of last season, his third in college basketball. He has a season remaining. Show me an example where a player played 3 semesters at one school and then 5 at another. It will require a waiver. You don't get 1.5 seasons here and then 2.5 seasons there. Nikita played 2 seasons at Georgetown, then 2 at Wake. Gordon played 2 seasons at UCLA, then 2 at New Mexico. Where is the disconnect? Pretty sure you're wrong on this KG.. Josh is almost done with 1 semester at G'town & after the fall semester is done and he's in good academic standing he will have met the NCAA's residency requirements of one academic year. So once the fall semester is done in late December of this year he'll be eligible to play for G'town.. His career here will consist of the spring semester of 2014, the fall semester of 2014 & the spring semester of 2015. He started at UCLA in 2010 and will finish at G'town in 2015 after sitting out a year and playing a total of 8 semesters(5 @ UCLA & 3 @ G'town).. |
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Post by rockhoya on May 11, 2013 12:01:42 GMT -5
I can't believe that this is even being debated. It's common knowledge you don't lose any playing eligibility while sitting out. That would make no sense. No one would transfer. You can't not break up a season into 2 separate semesters. These are NCAA student athletes. The student part comes first. That's like saying you spent 3 semesters at Pepperdine, then transferred to Harvard and only had 4 semesters to complete... You don't lose eligibility by sitting out, you lose it by playing. Smith played part of last season, his third in college basketball. He has a season remaining. Show me an example where a player played 3 semesters at one school and then 5 at another. It will require a waiver. You don't get 1.5 seasons here and then 2.5 seasons there. Nikita played 2 seasons at Georgetown, then 2 at Wake. Gordon played 2 seasons at UCLA, then 2 at New Mexico. Where is the disconnect? You still didn't answer the question of whether you've transferred as an NCAA athlete......but clearly you haven't. I was a recent NCAA athlete and almost transferred. I know plenty of people who did. The workings of NCAA eligibility are common knowledge to me. By your logic we won't see Josh suit up until 2014-2015 if playing part of fall semester counts as counter towards the whole year. |
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Post by rockhoya on May 11, 2013 12:10:36 GMT -5
You don't lose eligibility by sitting out, you lose it by playing. Smith played part of last season, his third in college basketball. He has a season remaining. Show me an example where a player played 3 semesters at one school and then 5 at another. It will require a waiver. You don't get 1.5 seasons here and then 2.5 seasons there. Nikita played 2 seasons at Georgetown, then 2 at Wake. Gordon played 2 seasons at UCLA, then 2 at New Mexico. Where is the disconnect? Pretty sure you're wrong on this KG.. Josh is almost done with 1 semester at G'town & after the fall semester is done and he's in good academic standing he will have met the NCAA's residency requirements of one academic year. So once the fall semester is done in late December of this year he'll be eligible to play for G'town.. His career here will consist of the spring semester of 2014, the fall semester of 2014 & the spring semester of 2015. He started at UCLA in 2010 and will finish at G'town in 2015 after sitting out a year and playing a total of 8 semesters.. Hence, the 5 year clock.... |
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Post by MCIGuy on May 11, 2013 14:23:29 GMT -5
I can't believe that this is even being debated. It's common knowledge you don't lose any playing eligibility while sitting out. That would make no sense. No one would transfer. You can't not break up a season into 2 separate semesters. These are NCAA student athletes. The student part comes first. That's like saying you spent 3 semesters at Pepperdine, then transferred to Harvard and only had 4 semesters to complete... You don't lose eligibility by sitting out, you lose it by playing. Smith played part of last season, his third in college basketball. He has a season remaining. Show me an example where a player played 3 semesters at one school and then 5 at another. It will require a waiver. You don't get 1.5 seasons here and then 2.5 seasons there. Nikita played 2 seasons at Georgetown, then 2 at Wake. Gordon played 2 seasons at UCLA, then 2 at New Mexico. Where is the disconnect? With few exceptions when a basketball player transfers from one school to the next he is required to miss a year's worth/a season's worth of playing time. This year's worth/season's worth is broken divided up between two semesters because the sport is played over the course of two semesters in a school year. So how does that work. Scenario A : a player transfers AFTER a school year ends (April/May). If that player was suited up to play throughout the season (before he decided to switch schools), he is penalized by having to miss the next two semesters. So that means the player must sit out the next full semester (November thru December) and the following semester (January through April/May). That's TWO semesters right there which means the next available semester for the player to suit up won't come into the first semester of the following year. In other words if Patrick Ewing III finished up his season at Maryland in March of 2020 and made the decision to transfer to Georgetown he won't be able to play in a game until November of 2021. That one year of sitting out which is broken down into two semesters of sports activity turns out to be 20 months in real time. One reason why I didn't doubt Greg Whittington would not transfer after his suspension was because he did not transfer immediately to avoid such a wait. Sceario B : a player transfers BEFORE classes of the second semester begins (anywhere from November to the first week or two of January). That same player must also miss a year's worth of athletic play which also comes out to 2 semesters. The first semester he misses is the one that he was just on the verge of playing before he made the transfer. The second semester he misses is the one that opens up with the beginning of the next school year. So if Allen Iverson Jr ends his stay at Syracuse on late December of 2019 and transfers to Georgetown soon after, he will be able to play for the Hoyas in late December (or early January) of 2020, which means he will only be idle for 12 months. Although there is pressure for kids to not throw in the towel on a program that early into a basketball season, this is the ideal time to transfer if one doesn't want to sit out too long. So to break it down even simpler : you have two guys in Ewing III and Iverson Jr who both suit up for respective teams at the beginning of the 2019-2020 season. In SCENARIO A: Ewing plays out the entire season and waits to transfers in April of 2020 --- must sit out two semesters #1 [November - December of 2020] #2 [January - April 2021] ---- is able to suit up again in November of 2021 which means he can't play in a real game for 20 months. SCENARIO B: Iverson Jr cuts his season short by transferring in December of 2019 --- must sit out two semesters #1 [January - April of 2020] #2 [November - December of 2020] ---- is able to suit up in January of 2020 (if not late December of 2019) which means he can't play in a real game for 12 months. Since Iverson Jr left basically halfway through a basketball season he will have to wait until halfway in the next basketball season before he is allowed to play another game. Since Ewing III left basically around the end of a basketball he must wait until the end of the next basketball season before he is eligible to suit up for the next game. Unfortunately for him that NEXT GAME won't take place for another seven or eight months! Josh Smith fits the Iverson Jr scenario, Scenario B. |
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Post by prhoya on May 11, 2013 20:26:12 GMT -5
I stopped reading at "Patrick Ewing III finished up his season at Maryland".
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