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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 3, 2012 16:40:14 GMT -5
If you want to blame the loss on not handling the pressure, you have to look at Jason's 8 TOs.
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Post by KirbyKeger on Mar 3, 2012 16:40:17 GMT -5
Gotta believe its largely confidence for Lubick at the line. He shot .675 last year. This year, he's below .500.
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Post by RDF on Mar 3, 2012 16:42:38 GMT -5
Markel Starks is really been awful against pressure and it's to the point his spot on roster should be recruited over. Jason Clark was bad today as well--but he's not been/nor ever will be a PG--and some of his turnovers today I blame on the approach of the program in trying to break pressure. It's Junior High level and complete failure against this level of opponent.
Also forgot to credit Otto Porter--with showing up and playing like team needed in a big game. Competed his ass off and battled on both ends.
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Post by mapei on Mar 3, 2012 16:42:47 GMT -5
Otto and Hollis were the only guys who played well today. Hops wasn't bad in his limited time, I guess.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 3, 2012 16:43:20 GMT -5
Hometown,
Jason isn't our point guard. Markel is. He needs to handle the ball and attack, instead of playing scared, which is what I saw
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Post by KirbyKeger on Mar 3, 2012 16:43:34 GMT -5
If you want to blame the loss on not handling the pressure, you have to look at Jason's 8 TOs. Definitely a valid point. Though, I'm not sure the TO numbers are accurate, as Markel was only credited with one when he committed at least 3. Jason clearly forced things today in an effort to replicate his performance from last time. Shots weren't falling. I'm not sure people are blaming Markel for the loss, but there are definitely reasons to suggest he should be playing fewer minutes going forward. He's not adding value.
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 3, 2012 16:43:50 GMT -5
Starks came into the game because of Jason and Otto's turnovers against the press. So he wasn't the only one. We typically get 19 points off the bench, didn't get that kind of production. When several guys were MIA or had bad games, you don't hear their names called, they somehow get a pass, but it's all Starks fault??
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Post by prhoya on Mar 3, 2012 16:44:13 GMT -5
Gotta believe its largely confidence for Lubick at the line. He shot .675 last year. This year, he's below .500. Could be that, but surely a horrible stroke and arm position are part of it too.
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Post by mapei on Mar 3, 2012 16:45:41 GMT -5
We get "production off the bench," on average, because Otto used to be part of the bench. When he starts, his points don't count as bench points.
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Post by KirbyKeger on Mar 3, 2012 16:46:05 GMT -5
Starks came into the game because of Jason and Otto's turnovers against the press. So he wasn't the only one. We typically get 19 points off the bench, didn't get that kind of production. When several guys were MIA or had bad games, you don't hear their names called, they somehow get a pass, but it's all Starks fault?? Nobody has put the loss on Markel's shoulders. Again, people are simply arguing that he is not doing his job at point guard, and that this should be taken into serious consideration going forward.
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Post by mapei on Mar 3, 2012 16:46:58 GMT -5
Totally agree that we don't have a true point guard. And it matters against a press.
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Post by RDF on Mar 3, 2012 16:46:59 GMT -5
If you want to blame the loss on not handling the pressure, you have to look at Jason's 8 TOs. I'll defend Jason and say--what other team in basketball uses Georgetown's press breaker where they retreat? Or rather-who uses that same approach and successfully beats pressure and scores off it? Kudos to Marquette for applying it all game and if I faced Thompson's teams--I'd press them all the time due to fact he doesn't value the importance of the point guard position. Thing is-that will never change as long as Hoyas utilize the offensive system they do--so it's a dilemma. Then again-a good coach wants to be great--he has to prove he can adapt to different types of teams/personnel and turn over the reigns a bit--which means giving a great guard the ball and letting him run the team. Doesn't mean you have to play selfish ball either--just have to have someone who is athletic/fast and VALUES THE BALL, which turns pressure against you into chances for easy hoops for you.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 3, 2012 16:47:13 GMT -5
Why are you guys jumping on Starks when the senior Clark was playing like the sophmore Clark. We Made a nice run when he was taken out and the minute he came back in we gave it all up.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 3, 2012 16:47:32 GMT -5
Markel Starks is really been awful against pressure and it's to the point his spot on roster should be recruited over. Jason Clark was bad today as well--but he's not been/nor ever will be a PG--and some of his turnovers today I blame on the approach of the program in trying to break pressure. It's Junior High level and complete failure against this level of opponent. Also forgot to credit Otto Porter--with showing up and playing like team needed in a big game. Competed his ass off and battled on both ends. Please do not excuse Jason Clark's inability to differentiate between white and blue jersey's on the press breaking philosophy. While their strategy sucks and will always suck, Jason should know after the 4th pass to Marquette when something isn't open.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 3, 2012 16:48:49 GMT -5
MF, Yes, Starks has a lot to do with this.....He turned the ball over, ghastly turnovers, three times in four minutes when he came in the first half. His inability to run the offense makes us play Jason more at the 1, which isn't his ideal position, and his extra minutes led to him missing free-throws in the first half. Starks was so bad that III had to yank him, which cut into Jason's rest, which hurt our rotation. Yes, Starks had a lot to do with this defeat I, unfortunately, agree. Starks had a tough day. So did Jason. I do not agree, however, that he should play much less. He just has to play much better than he did today, and he will, as he has done this year. Surprised Jabril didn't get more run.
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 3, 2012 16:49:40 GMT -5
Hometown, Jason isn't our point guard. Markel is. He needs to handle the ball and attack, instead of playing scared, which is what I saw Obviously JTIII thinks otherwise because Markel is coming off the bench as a back up.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 3, 2012 16:50:10 GMT -5
While I agree an elite point guard would have helped tremendously against Marquette today, we don't necessarily need an "elite" point guard to beat a press. We just need a very good guard who can beat pressure, which is something we do not have this year. I am not sure I would have called Chris Wright "elite," but at least he could beat pressure effectively.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 3, 2012 16:51:01 GMT -5
Who the hell prepared this team for today? That was one of the most unprepared teams I've ever seen take the court with so much at stake. Not surprising. Buzz knows Georgetown is considered a finesse (soft) team on offense and with it lacking a PG, attack the ballhandlers, drive the floor and camp out at the line.
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Post by harlemhoya on Mar 3, 2012 16:51:41 GMT -5
I'm not as in love with Jabril as everyone else. Me too. Has no handle and can't shoot, but he is only a freshman.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 3, 2012 16:52:32 GMT -5
MF if you believe what you just wrote then I don't know what else to say....Don't tailor the argument to make a point, everyone who has watched a second of GTown bball knows Jason isn't a true point guard
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