Massholya
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Post by Massholya on Mar 3, 2012 16:26:16 GMT -5
Announcers: "No whistles?" Yeah, they did not affect the game... No one is saying refs didn't affect the game. They always do. But to blame the loss on them is loser talk. So name one person who said that, loser.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 3, 2012 16:26:32 GMT -5
LOL....Marquette shot 20 more free-throws than us and people are trying to claim that had no merit on this game?...hilarious Just guru...
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KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on Mar 3, 2012 16:27:07 GMT -5
No big deal. Marquette only shot 20 more free throws than us. Literally 20. I'm disgusted. That being said, despite this imbalance, we still had a chance to win that game. No reason to be discouraged about this team's chances in the postseason.
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MassHoya
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Post by MassHoya on Mar 3, 2012 16:27:44 GMT -5
Refs had a minor impact on the game, but the refs did not miss a single shot or foul shot. Only affected the margin.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 3, 2012 16:27:59 GMT -5
The refs called the game the way most senior days are called - for the home team. Marquette played inspired, especially Crowder. I am not surprised at what took place, I just wish we could have cut the lead and put some game pressure on MU. Not having Henry for the last 10 minutes was difficult and the dual foul trouble for Henry and Hollis took away most of our chance to win. We never caved in which was good, but Jason needs to come with a little sharper game for the BET and not get frustrated.
AND MAKE SOME $#^&* FREE THROWS!!!! Game would have been much closer when it mattered by simply converting the easy ones.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 3, 2012 16:28:47 GMT -5
Without free throws, Marquette would have scored 50 points. Incidentally, Georgetown would have had 54 without free throws.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Mar 3, 2012 16:29:13 GMT -5
With the reffing I am so much concerned about losing the game thorughthis nonsense as much as the danger to the players and the potetnial for a riot. That hit on Bowen at the end was flagrant and intentional and to not call it is to invite mayhem.
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 3, 2012 16:29:47 GMT -5
When the game is called like that, if III isn't gonna get one, I would've loved to see a hard foul that gets a tech, fire everybody up a bit. I think the foul disparity is particularly obvious because I don't think we've had a player foul out all year, let alone 2 in one game!
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Mar 3, 2012 16:29:56 GMT -5
Did Georgetown out score Marquette on made baskets?
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 3, 2012 16:30:15 GMT -5
Their strategy of pressuring the ballhandlers was effective. Both Clark and Starks struggled offensively. Hope this isn't an issue going forward.
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alleninxis
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Post by alleninxis on Mar 3, 2012 16:32:42 GMT -5
The way I figure it is we need to win games relying on defense, rebounding and overwhelming teams with length/size. If this is the case, I do not see the value in playing a 6' guard who can't create/handle pressure, doesn't defend exceptionally well and currently is not making shots. The leash on Markel needs to shorten to the point you're looking for a spark on offense to knock down shots, and if it's not there..go to something else.
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KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on Mar 3, 2012 16:35:22 GMT -5
I have to agree with the poster who said Starks should see reduced time in the postseason. He's adding no value for us right now. Its just the truth. He's our point guard, and he failed miserably against the press today. He hasn't been hitting shots consistently at all (1-7 today). He got 26 minutes, while Jabril got only 7. Frankly, I think Jabril adds far more value than Markel lately. He's a vastly better defender, and can get to the basket. This seems like a no brainer.
EDIT: Wow, alleninxis, we just said the same thing at the same exact time.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 3, 2012 16:36:25 GMT -5
My problem with Markel is this: He came into the game and looked absolutely terrified at the pressure....not really what you want from you're point guard....His minutes need to be cut
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Mar 3, 2012 16:36:29 GMT -5
The leash on Markel has already shortened considerably. And all the options have problems.
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 3, 2012 16:37:31 GMT -5
The way I figure it is we need to win games relying on defense, rebounding and overwhelming teams with length/size. If this is the case, I do not see the value in playing a 6' guard who can't create/handle pressure, doesn't defend exceptionally well and currently is not making shots. The leash on Markel needs to shorten to the point you're looking for a spark on offense to knock down shots, and if it's not there..go to something else. Starks wasn't the only reason behind this loss. Putting ALL the blame on him is ridiculous.
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KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on Mar 3, 2012 16:37:32 GMT -5
26 minutes isn't that short a leash mapei. I really think Jabril is a better option, and his leash was 19 minutes shorter.
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Mar 3, 2012 16:37:47 GMT -5
I hope we have a true point guard coming in next year. Could also use a dominating big
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Mar 3, 2012 16:38:19 GMT -5
I'm not as in love with Jabril as everyone else.
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Post by RDF on Mar 3, 2012 16:38:26 GMT -5
Who the hell prepared this team for today? That was one of the most unprepared teams I've ever seen take the court with so much at stake. It's a press--and the "retreat and fire" approach is comical in it's ineptitude. How long will it take Thompson to figure out--you have to ATTACK pressure. It would also help to have a guy who can handle the ball/elite point guard--but you'll never get one running this offense--which I'm more then happy if they scrap. Not due to hating it-due to fact it prevents a key position from being brought in, and rarely do they get to use it. It's disgusting to watch team after team kill Georgetown with transition hoops and turnovers made because the team has nobody to handle the basketball that can be trusted in the backcourt.
III's done a great job of improving his roster--but he has to change his ideas to attract a PG who can take this program to next level.
The FT shooting and goblin turnovers are to point it's really this simple-if you want to play more then 2 games rest of year--these areas HAVE TO IMPROVE. If that means Nate Lubick never plays because he's allowed to shoot with the single most awkward FT stroke in basketball, then so be it. WTH did he do this offseason? Why hasn't his stroke been worked with inseason? That takes very little coaching time/and you just tell someone-either improve or you cannot play.
Thought team hung around in a game they were unprepared and some guys didn't mentally make the trip--but you will never beat an opponent when you have chance to cut the lead down to 9, possibly 8 if you can get an "And 1" and instead it ends up a turnover with a guy missing FT's and Marquette comes down and gets points. The simple fact is--that once Lubick got fouled--you're hoping for a single FT at best and he couldn't deliver that. That can't happen from a marginally talented role player. He's got to be solid in fundamentals or he can't play.
Sims got frustrated--he got pushed around--which is going to happen--have to fight through it.
Trawick with some brain cramp mistakes.
Whittington was MIA.
Positive was Hollis getting his jumper back--need that going forward.
I also like that for Hoyas to do anything in BET-they'd have to likely beat Pitt and Cincy before getting to Cuse--and III's teams have sucked against those type of teams lately--so now's their chance to prove something. It's up to them because today they were ill prepared and thought it was III's worst coaching job of the season in terms of having his team not ready for what they were going to see.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 3, 2012 16:40:10 GMT -5
MF,
Yes, Starks has a lot to do with this.....He turned the ball over, ghastly turnovers, three times in four minutes when he came in the first half. His inability to run the offense makes us play Jason more at the 1, which isn't his ideal position, and his extra minutes led to him missing free-throws in the first half. Starks was so bad that III had to yank him, which cut into Jason's rest, which hurt our rotation.
Yes, Starks had a lot to do with this defeat
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