Georgetown @ Syracuse Game Discussion

[gtowndynasty]

Feb 8, 2012 22:14:54 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

Hollis had 10 points and 10 rebounds and played great defense. I don't see how people can say he "didn't show up". He didn't force stupid shots and part of that was that nobody set screens to get him free outside the zone.

Otto was great.

Despite the loss, the Hoyas outrebounded Cuse 52-35 (20-12 on the offensive boards). When was the last time that happened?

This game will be great for the rematch at MSG where home cooking won't favor the Orangeboys as blatantly.

I dont follow that logic either re: Hollis. A solid game if you ask me. He also got in the paint a few times and dished off for what should have been easy layups.

I really dont understand the offense/defense subbing of Hollis toward the end. He wasnt the one getting scored on and it led to Jabril being out there on some key offensive possessions in overtime. Baffled by that.

We could have won that game. Some awful execution in the end of regulation and ot by our guys, namely Henry. When we are willing passers, the O works beautifully and gets guys open shots.

[hoyadestroya]

Haven't read through the posts, but just gotta say I'm proud of the showing tonight. A call here or there, a bunny made and we're on the winning end of this. All in all, who would of thought starting the season we'd have played like this. This team is battle tested for sure.

[sleepy]

becuase jabril is by far our best defensive guard. Clark was getting hammered late in the 2nd half in the zone penetration at will.

[flyoverhoya]

Feb 8, 2012 22:39:57 GMT -5 sleepy said:

Not sure orange26 is old enough to have a job.

As he's a Cuse fan, what's his age got to do w/it?

[OldHoyafan]

The Hoyas went toe-to-toe with the number two team in the country with 3 freshmen on the floor for 75% of the game. This team will learn from this as they did from the Kansas game and get better especially Hopkins, Trawick, and Whittington. Otto is already a star. henry got B-slapped by Melo tonight and could respond. The most disheartning thing I saw tonight was Henry get knocked to the floor by a Melo block and just lay there as Cuse players rushed up the court. JT3 had the hollar hat him to make him get off the floor. Now, he may have been fouled but you can't woolow in self pity on the floor when your team is try ing to play 4 on 5 at other end. Nate and Starks start but are playing les and less minutes. One of them has to raise his game or risk sitting on the bench at start. You can have one starter not playing well at the beginning of each game but you can't have two. i know Noel is a prime target but if he or Pollard don't come next year then the Hoya emphasis should be on getting a true PG that can penetrate a defense with his dribble and play defense. I would not put a premium on scoring I think they have enough to be a very good team if they can get a leader to set them up.

[sleepy]

Still a lot of work to do on rotations in the zone i think late in the game we stopped talking a little bit of nerves and fatigue what ever. they have 30 days to keep working at it.

[Loyal Hoya]

I thought our team was very well prepared. They were patient on the offensive end and, except for the first few minutes of the game, took good shots. We did a great job getting the game to overtime after being down 6 with about 4 minutes to go.

In OT, I thought the charge call on Hollis was a 50/50 call that just went against us. In live action, I thought it was a block, but after replaying it a few times I thought it could have gone either way. Much worse for me were the calls on the next two possessions: the foul called on Greg(?) that allowed Cuse to tie it at 61 and the non-call under the basket on our next offensive possession. Those three possessions killed us.

[hoyainindia]

Feb 8, 2012 22:14:33 GMT -5 sleepy said:

The way talk on this board is going i'd be worried that they would have an inflated opinion of themselves. bottom line for me is they lost to a team whom never should have been within ten points of them.

The only thing they should be concerned with is taking care of business with each of the next 6 games and be ready to grab a double buy and get this team in New York on a friday or saturday night in 3 weeks.
from here on in no excuses GUlook maybe we are that special team.

I agree - hopefully this lights a fire under the team. Would love a rematch in MSG.

[westendhoya]

Man this team would be so dangerous if Henry was decent when it counts...Get him off the court

[wahoohoya]

Feb 8, 2012 22:52:11 GMT -5 Loyal Hoya said:

Much worse for me were the calls on the next two possessions: the foul called on Greg(?) that allowed Cuse to tie it at 61 and the non-call under the basket on our next offensive possession. Those three possessions killed us.

Agree. I didn't see any foul on Waiters. Ref can't blow the whistle especially coming off a 50/50 call going against us on the previous possession. Then they follow it with a very questionable no call against Henry where Melo looked to get a lot of wrist and then the most baffling call - giving it to Syracuse when it looked like they blocked Otto's shot out of bounds. But man, the ref sure was decisive on that call.

But I hate complaining about the refs. No moral victory but this loss shoud give us confidence and hopefully kicks us into a higher gear down the stretch.

[hoyazeke]

A few thoughts after calming down......
1.) Our bigs need to at least attempt to dunk. There were at least 5 plays that if Hop or Hank attempt a dunk the worst case is a trip to the foul line. That's at 5 extra fouls and 7-10 pts depending on ft%.
2.) For everything Greg gives us on D, he is killing us on the offensive end. Towards the end of the game he wasn't even looking to take a shot. He did at least rise for the dunk at the end of the half. Which resulted in a foul on SU. I believe it was our only attempted dunk of the night.
3.) In the 1st half I felt like the calls were pretty fair. We lived on the perimeter, while Cuse was doing more penetrating. That will lead to more calls in your favor. In the 2nd half the officiating was atrocious. There was one sequence in particular that sums up the 2nd half. Hollis drives and is ridden all the way to the rim where he is called for a suspect charge. The very next SU possession Waiters is given a phantom call while driving on Greg. That was a 4pt swing when I think we were up by 2 in OT. The no call on Hank and Hollis/Greg was bad also.
4.) We have to shoot the three better than we did tonight. We were mising wide open looks from the arc. If we hit an average amount tonight we would have won by 10+...........
5.) I love this team...............

[hoyaboy1]

Yea, the play where Otto's shot went out of bounds at the end goes back to the offense 95% of the time. Didn't see a replay though, so maybe there was something I missed.

[FrazierFanatic]

Feb 8, 2012 22:14:54 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

Hollis had 10 points and 10 rebounds and played great defense. I don't see how people can say he "didn't show up". He didn't force stupid shots and part of that was that nobody set screens to get him free outside the zone.

Otto was great.

Despite the loss, the Hoyas outrebounded Cuse 52-35 (20-12 on the offensive boards). When was the last time that happened?

This game will be great for the rematch at MSG where home cooking won't favor the Orangeboys as blatantly.

Dan, I specifically referred to Hollis in the second half. He had 8 points at half. He had 2 points the next 25 minutes, floated around the perimeter for much of the second half, then when he decided to drive, he plowed over the defender instead of dishing to Henry for the dunk(presuming that Henry could pull it off, not a given tonight). We need more presence from one of our leaders in a huge game on the road.

[DallasHoya]

The most delusional fan there was the one who had the sign that said "Georgetown was my safety school." I wonder if there is anyone in history who got into GU but not SU.

[DanMcQ]

Frazier, I wasn't actually referring to you, but whatever. I don't agree that Hollis "floated" but when the offense is passes around the perimeter of the zone, there either needs to be a high ball screen set for him or dribble penetration for a kickout shot. That did not happen. Without those, Hollis was rarely open as SU closes out on shooters better than most teams out of their zone.

"Plowed over the defender" is a bit of an overstatement p that was a 50/50 call at best and the Hoyas did not get any 50/50 calls tonight.

Quit hatin' dude!

[hoyainindia]

Feb 8, 2012 22:23:47 GMT -5 tarkman said:

Just got back from the game and, of course, I'm disappointed in the outcome; however, I'm not dis-spirited. Syracuse went on an 8-0 spurt to open the 2nd half and completely energized the crowd, but our guys- especially the freshmen- held tough and didn't fold. I very much liked our defensive effort in the face of a really mediocre shooting performance. Its what kept us within striking distance and in position to steal a win. The Dome crowd was much more relieved, than happy, at the end of the game because for the first time I think they realize SUcks just might not be the formidable team they've all bought into. Now if we can get Tom Coughlin to address the team about FINISHING, and I mean plays within two feet of the basket.

As an aside, I noticed that Syracuse had 20 players dressed for the game, all of whom are listed in the game program. An aquaintance who sat near me pointed out that the reason so many kids are on the team is its Syracuse's way of getting around the new academic / graduation thresholds imposed by the NCAA. He claims they pad the team GPA with outstanding students that happen to also "walk-on" the team. I would hope the NCAA is smart enough to close this loophole, if true, but thought it spoke volumes to how one would expect Syracuse to conduct itself.

Show the team some love on Sunday to get them back on track.

Sick. Any online evidence I can use to throw in some faces?

[cusefaninvt]

Feb 8, 2012 22:19:14 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

Re: Syracuse vs. Georgetown Game Thread

Postby cusefaninvt » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:12 pm
We absolutely stole this one.

at least he's honest when he's among his own kind.

Considering how badly our guards played in the second half after Triche went to the bench, I'd say that's the truth.

[HoyaChris]

Feb 8, 2012 23:08:06 GMT -5 DallasHoya said:

The most delusional fan there was the one who had the sign that said "Georgetown was my safety school." I wonder if there is anyone in history who got into SU but not GU.

Unfortunately, Chris Joseph.

[aleutianhoya]

Watched the game on tape after unfortunately knowing the result and seeing the comments on the board.

(1) Officiating: Until the calls at the very end, I thought the officiating was sound. I actually didn't think Henry was fouled inside on his various plays. He and Mikael simply didn't finish. The charge/block calls could have gone either way. But the out of bounds call for Otto was simply atrocious. And the decision not to allow Hollis in was indefensible. They heard the horn and Hollis ran instantly to mid-court to check in. It wasn't like it was at the very end of the timeout. To not allow him in was simply poor. And it had a huge impact because they clearly had designed the play through him.

(2) The key to the game was the first half. Both teams played well in the second, but the guys just couldn't find the basket in the first and could have pulled away.

(3) Great rebounding throughout. A great performance by Otto throughout.

[FrazierFanatic]

Feb 8, 2012 23:11:54 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

Frazier, I wasn't actually referring to you, but whatever. I don't agree that Hollis "floated" but when the offense is passes around the perimeter of the zone, there either needs to be a high ball screen set for him or dribble penetration for a kickout shot. That did not happen. Without those, Hollis was rarely open as SU closes out on shooters better than most teams out of their zone.

"Plowed over the defender" is a bit of an overstatement p that was a 50/50 call at best and the Hoyas did not get any 50/50 calls tonight.

Quit hatin' dude!

I'm not hatin' and after seeing the box score I didn't realize he had 10 boards. But he still needed to be more aggressive the second half when we were stagnant for a few minutes. And he may not have "plowed", but it was definitely an offensive foul, when Henry was moving to the hoop wide open for the dish.