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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 5, 2012 10:11:40 GMT -5
My last off-topic post because I don't want to hijack this game thread: FYI she was on the wrong end of the attractiveness spectrum, and she's also very lucky that a) we were sober and b) she was a girl. If this had been a weekend game and it was a guy serving us that made those remarks, we would not have been so nice either.
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Post by chep3 on Jan 5, 2012 10:15:36 GMT -5
The fans. Best home crowd I have seen in a long time. They were just itching to get involved in the game, and when we made that first spurt from down 17 to down 12 prior to the blatant push-off and 3 by DJO, you could hear the volume rise significantly in the building. That hasn't always happened. The fans last night understood that our team would need to feed off their energy in order to complete that comeback, and they more than obliged. Kudos to everyone in attendance last night. This is a good point. The crowd needed a little bit of a spark to get into it, but as you said, was quick to jump on anything as sufficient pretext for doing so. 2 made buckets and a stop isn't really a run, but the crowd got into it like it was and stayed into it even after DJO pushed it back to 15. Best crowd I've seen in awhile, probably since the last Duke game.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 5, 2012 10:17:21 GMT -5
I echo those who say Marquette is really good - everybody is understandably focused on our side, but their first half offense was dazzling. Our D definitely had a lot to do with the change but few teams can be expected to play that well for an entire game. Actually, the first few minutes of the first half, I thought both teams were putting on a show. Then we went cold and they kept it up. I also agree with the observation that they were getting the iffy calls for a long time, and then we did. I thought lots of the calls should have been no-calls, and I also thought they missed a lot that they could have called - on both sides. The reffing just seemed kind of arbitrary. I'll be surprised if Markel doesn't have a concussion. Scary stuff, as we see from other sports. I hope (1) he takes all the time he needs and (2) he doesn't need much. They play Syracuse this weekend, and I think they will win. They are a good matchup the way they space the ball. Not sure if folks remember, but Marquette fans must be going nuts about their inability to close. They have had about 4-5 choke jobs like that in the past 2 years. What is even crazier is that they are a very good ft shooting team. That was one reason I didn't think we would come back yesterday. Buzz has gotta coach them to get to the basket more late. As others said, I like Marquette as a BE competitor.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 5, 2012 10:36:58 GMT -5
My last off-topic post because I don't want to hijack this game thread: FYI she was on the wrong end of the attractiveness spectrum, and she's also very lucky that a) we were sober and b) she was a girl. If this had been a weekend game and it was a guy serving us that made those remarks, we would not have been so nice either. Isn't it redundant to specify where she is on the attractiveness spectrum, considering you already told us she was a Cuse grad?
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Jan 5, 2012 10:39:51 GMT -5
My last off-topic post because I don't want to hijack this game thread: FYI she was on the wrong end of the attractiveness spectrum, and she's also very lucky that a) we were sober and b) she was a girl. If this had been a weekend game and it was a guy serving us that made those remarks, we would not have been so nice either. Isn't it redundant to specify where she is on the attractiveness spectrum, considering you already told us she was a Cuse grad? Or to simply observe that she was the one waiting on GU grads? Did you ask her if Devendorf was finished cooking the fries yet? EDIT: Piling on Cuse is never off topic.
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Post by derhoya on Jan 5, 2012 10:56:09 GMT -5
HUGE PROPS TO THE CROWD ... there was something special in that building tonight ... the crowd helped us win the game ... Very impressed with the turnout and the consistent energy ... frigid weather, students still on vacation, Wednesday night... and the fans brought their A game ... Great to see the young alum section leading the charge and then the rest of the arena getting on their feet and willing this team to success on nearly every possession from the 10 minutes mark onward ... any reason at all and the crowd was on their feet ... it translated very well on TV ... last year the Hoyas and the fans probably would have folded ... there is something special going on with this team and the Verizon fans started to sense it tonight ... once the students come back, watch out Credit all around - credit to JT3, credit to the players, credit to the fans - everyone played a part/role tonight As being one of the loudest SOBs around, I'll take credit for this since it was my first game of the year in person (*tear*). Awesome atmosphere and turn around last night! These baby hoyas are becoming men real quick!
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Post by RDF on Jan 5, 2012 11:54:47 GMT -5
WOW! Really all that needs to be used to describe game, but just a huge game for the program and team to show belief in one another and a 5 star job of Jason Clark leading the Hoyas to victory in what I think is his single best half he's played. He was brilliant in all aspects (FT shooting slump going on-he was leaving it all on court, so can't fault him for misses and he's too good of a FT shooter to keep missing) and everyone followed his lead.
Before talking of Hoyas perspective, I really like what Buzz Williams did in opening 28 minutes of game--it was much like I was hoping small Ball Hoyas would play--pushing the ball to beat bigger/tougher halfcourt defensive team before they get set--and they executed their gameplan brilliantly and made shots/plays and were just outstanding. I think Marquette is a damn good team and like them so much more now that Creepy Tom Crean has taking his ACT to Bloomington, IN. They exploited cross matches/switches, they got great looks, and just brought a level of speed/urgency to the game that has to be commended.
Now onto the Hoyas, I understand why and personally love what III is doing with this team. Seeing him light into the team in timeouts for a lack of hustle in getting back and just lethargic/unattentive play was long overdue. He's been coaching with a chip on shoulder and this feels like the guy who took over the program--it's a hungry program again. You aren't playing well--you can sit. You don't listen to what you are told-you sit. Don't hustle-sit. Doesnt matter if you are a SR or a FR--expectations are high no matter the overall youth of team and all great coaches/leaders maintain highest of standards. His in game adjustment to pressure and moving Jason Clark to PG with 4 FR was what turned game--Hoyas played old school defense--they were in a frenzy and the offensive sets being run were about as high level as it gets--it wasn't about running stuff--it was about making plays and getting to rim--which starts/ends with Jason Clark.
Jason Clark has been outstanding this year. His floor game is vastly improved and he's taken on a leadership role that I know I wasn't certain he could handle. Last night--he led the team--and his play was just as important as an example to Henry and Hollis as it was to the FR who were on court with him to spearhead the run to get back into the game. That wasn't just his best half of ball as a Hoya--it was one of the best examples of leadership at Georgetown. He took ball to rim and didn't settle for shots. He didn't force shots. He defended, took responsibility at PG position, and maybe the most important thing he was doing that goes unnoticed--he BALANCED THE FLOOR so Marquette quitting getting the easy leakout hoops that were killing Hoyas in opening 28 minutes of ass kicking they were getting. I have no issue with missed shots/FT's if someone lays it on the line like Jason did last night--and it was big time play--not fake hustle that some guys do to make it look like they are working. He played with purpose and the opening 5 minutes of 2nd Half offensively helped win this game--him getting to rim and FT line/drawing fouls was brilliant. His decision making was same and just a huge standing ovation for Jason.
Henry and Hollis-they didn't check out of the game and this was type of game Henry would let bother him and Hollis would crawl into shell and observe and not engage. Seeing them elevate their play after tough initial outings was great to see. So many times when a team rallies with starters on bench and they return, its' due to their struggles and instead of contributing, they observe or don't want to ruin momentum. These 2 came in and fed off it and carried team down stretch (with Jason) and cannot say enough about that tough mindset.
FR were what they are--tough, aggressive, energetic, and leaders. Otto Porter is just one helluva a player--guy has mind of a 10 year Pro as a college FR-he just understands how to play and really you get surprised when he makes a young mistake--he's that accountable and excellent on the court.
Jabril--the little pitbull provided spark and leadership.
Mikael Hopkins--this might sound crazy but I thought halfcourt offense improved when he entered the game and kind of set tone for Henry to step it up when he returned. Know he got blitzed and turned it over at high post--but he also came in cold--gave team 4 pts and most of all made 2 huge FT's which as we saw--it wasn't a great night shooting from line from Hoyas, and defensively did a nice job. He's earned more playing time imo--but so nice to see him ready when number was called.
Greg Whittington has been a favorite of mine since seeing him on film last year as a recruit. He's only scratching surface of what he'll be-but I'm confident in saying he's the best perimeter defensive player III's ever had. This guy can check any position, and not only enjoys doing it-he does so without goofy FR fouls late in game when it's hectic/crazy. Look at his last closeout on Crowder (who was drawing fouls all night). He did same in Louisville game and it's a great contest without going at shooter in a crazy out of control way.
These guys just scratching what they will be as individual players and as core of team moving forward has me most excited. Growth doesn't have to take a longtime--it can be accelerated when you have guys buying into it and that have great oncourt chemsitry.
Markel--really surprised he came right back in after seeing replay and hope he's ok. Everyone can have off nights--and last night was his--prior to getting banged up he struggled. Just hope he's able to play Saturday because this team needs him.
Nate--if there is ever a Soph slump--it seems to be what Nate's going through. I don't mind missing shots, or some things that just can't be controlled--footspeed, explosiveness, etc...but the lack of awareness on defensive end is not acceptable. That just can't happen. Like Markel--Nate needs to get it going and for this team to really make a leap--he's going to need to get back to what he was doing majority of his FR season and less of the hesitant/often confused player he seems to be on court. Thought he took a step forward against Providence but last night was not good in any way of looking at for him.
If I have one criticism it's this--can Hoyas please devote time to working on INBOUNDS PLAYS. For the love of all things Guibunda, the inbounds turnovers that take place are happening far too often. Now I loved the hoop Jason got and we see some good plays from Hoyas a lot too--but I really can't understand how this team continues to turn it over on a play that shouldn't be happening this late in season. It's not like John Henson is defending the passer. Tighten it up guys!
GREAT win and hope the team builds off it and improves Saturday against WVU!
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 5, 2012 12:41:00 GMT -5
"We lost this game for two main reasons 1. Once Georgetown figured out that they could use a guy PLUS a mirror guy on BOTH DJO and Crowder and not have to worry about anyone else beating them, we couldn't score. 2. We couldn't stop Georgetown's guards from going wherever they wanted nor could we stop Sims or anyone else for that matter. When they finally switched Blue onto 21 other guys just beat us instead." www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=29544.150
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 5, 2012 12:43:38 GMT -5
I can't stop smiling today. Thanks Hoyas.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 5, 2012 12:43:55 GMT -5
"I'm done with this team, not worth my time." "Can't effin believe the way we blew yet another opportunity. Inexcusable." "When the coach cannot properly coach defense, this crap will happen." "Their defense took away our offense as DJO couldn't do anything and we didn't change our Tom Crean style offense until Gardner got a shot after TO and Crowder drove the paint once." www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=29544.125
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Post by Boz on Jan 5, 2012 12:48:02 GMT -5
I don't know. I could read Syracuse boards all day and the entire following week whenever we beat them. And many other Big East teams too.
Not getting the same schadenfreude with Marquette.
Ecstatic with the win, of course, just no real enjoyment out of their digital hairshirts.
Must be a Jesuit bond deal, or something.
(But that can't be true, because....Benedict Arnold College).
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 5, 2012 12:50:55 GMT -5
I don't know. I could read Syracuse boards all day and the entire following week whenever we beat them. And many other Big East teams too. Not getting the same schadenfreude with Marquette. Ecstatic with the win, of course, just no real enjoyment out of their digital hairshirts. Must be a Jesuit bond deal, or something. (But that can't be true, because....Benedict Arnold College). It's probably part Jesuit bond thing, part basketball-only bond. And its hard to feel a bond w/ BAC considering they severed it
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 5, 2012 13:01:20 GMT -5
Easy Ed, I want to thank you for convincing RDF to come over from the dark side. You get full credit, no doubt.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 5, 2012 13:06:49 GMT -5
Could have missed it, help me out (no volume in my bar watch): If I recall correctly, MU got the ball out of bounds after their guy jumped on top of Markel. Is there a new rule that I am not aware of allowing you to jump on top of another player, concussing him in the process in order to gain possession of the ball? for a second it appeared as though they called a foul on Markel, but obviously that is too preposterous a prospect. Could someone w replay and sound help me understand how that was not a flagrant foul on the MU play who clearly didn't consider where he might land when he jumped? I have already read the strange tale of the "player control foul" that occurs when their player tackles our guy who is just starting an uncontested breakaway, please tell me this is not the same type of situation
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 5, 2012 13:11:13 GMT -5
Re-watched the game - some things I really didn't notice the first time around: - Whittington is getting a lot of credit for shutting down DJO, and he should, but it was a team effort. He wasn't 100% committed to him (and we didn't stay 100% man all the time) during the last 13 minutes. Clark took a turn, and so did Trawick. And DJO got past Whit a couple of times pretty easy, and Sims was playing monster help D to shut it down.
I'm not sure enough has been said about Sims -- and Hopkins -- defense down low in the second half. Our perimeter D stopped leaving guys wide open and that opened up drives. But our big guys were good enough to handle it without needed collapsing wings (which opens up those open threes).
- Clark came out in the first play after halftime and almost forced a steal and got after Marquette immediately. Nothing came of it, but either it's indicative of a ridiculous halftime reaming or it helped set the tone. Or both.
- The officiating was dreadful, but I have a theory. I think Cahill began to realize the snow job Marquette puts on. Crowder flopped at least six times in this game -- and awful, I can't believe you fell for that crap. I think they wised up and got tired of it. It wasn't a charge or a player control foul or anything at the end -- but Marquette after a game of a 250 lb Crowder falling to the ground every chance he got wasn't getting ANOTHER flop call. Cahill may be a lot of things, but I don't think he's dumb.
- The crowd was awesome. Down double digits and getting loud for even mini-runs? Awesome.
- I feel much better about down low next year (not that I should be thinking about next year) with how far Mikael Hopkins has come in half a year.
- Our defense actually got much better much sooner than the second half. It wasn't great, but at about the 10 minute mark it stopped being a sieve. Problem is, that's when Marquette's shooting went on "I don't care if I'm covered, this is going in" mode.
- Everyone loves depth, but I don't think the benefit relies primarily on fatigue in game or in season but rather quality depth so that when some players are not playing well other players can step up. It's not that we're going nine deep so people are fresh, though I'm sure that helps -- it's when someone is sluggish or off or got his head landed on -- there's someone to pick it up right then and there. When Austin Freeman went cold, there was no Jabril Trawick to score 9 points in a half against Louisville. We have that this year.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 5, 2012 13:12:00 GMT -5
Could have missed it, help me out (no volume in my bar watch): If I recall correctly, MU got the ball out of bounds after their guy jumped on top of Markel. Is there a new rule that I am not aware of allowing you to jump on top of another player, concussing him in the process in order to gain possession of the ball? for a second it appeared as though they called a foul on Markel, but obviously that is too preposterous a prospect. Could someone w replay and sound help me understand how that was not a flagrant foul on the MU play who clearly didn't consider where he might land when he jumped? I have already read the strange tale of the "player control foul" that occurs when their player tackles our guy who is just starting an uncontested breakaway, please tell me this is not the same type of situation Usually the guy who is undercutting the other guy (which was Markel) gets called for the foul. I think that's what happened here though the guy was out of control.
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Post by JB5 on Jan 5, 2012 13:12:02 GMT -5
We got killed in the first half because Marquete was attacking off our made shots before the defense was set. When we were in zone, they were pulling the back guys ou to the wings, then getting the ball to the short baseline for easy layups. From the onset of the vesper half, this did not happen. Our halftime adjustments took away the easy looks inside and had MU relying on the 3 ball to stay ahead until coach started putting the longer guys (especially Greg) on their shooters. I don't know if it was intended to work this way, but keeping Hollis and Henry on the bench for a few minutes as we made our run had them fresh at the end of the game when the Warriors looked winded.
Finally, great crowd. Lots of Marquette fans around us. The Hoya fans were waiting for the chance to get loud and when we started getting back in the game, the place exploded. One note for the promotions department: the Hoyas remain undefeated in games in which my daughter gets a burrito from Jack's crew. Let's keep 'em coming!
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 5, 2012 13:14:07 GMT -5
I don't know if it was intended to work this way, but keeping Hollis and Henry on the bench for a few minutes as we made our run had them fresh at the end of the game when the Warriors looked winded. Hollis and Henry were on the bench because they both were in foul trouble wit 3 fouls a piece. The others were benched because they couldn't defend Marquette.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 5, 2012 13:16:48 GMT -5
Usually the guy who is undercutting the other guy (which was Markel) gets called for the foul. I think that's what happened here though the guy was out of control. I don't recall Starks actively or even passively undercutting the guy so much as he was in one place and the guy jumped on top of that place. Another thing: Is it possible that Hollis posted a 196 O. Rating last night? Again, no genius, but i thought averaging 122 was pretty good, 196 must be something else
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 5, 2012 13:19:48 GMT -5
Seaweed, yes and yes, it is something else. 6-7 with mostly threes is a darn good game -- it's hard to overstate the value of that kind of efficiency.
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