KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on Jan 4, 2012 23:02:30 GMT -5
With regards to Hollis, I think he is unfortunately the victim of expectations that he created for himself by putting his name in the draft. A lot of us (I'm a huge offender) get very frustrated when Hollis does nothing to take a game over when we are struggling. The final 10 minutes of the 1st and first 10 minutes of the 2nd half, he did very little. This season, we expect him to flip a switch and dominate when we need him to. We expect him to play like a candidate to leave early and be a first round NBA draft pick. The fact of the matter is, there is no evidence to suggest that he is such a thing yet. This should be the year when Hollis makes strides and becomes that player. Instead, people (maybe subconsciously) expected him to be that player from the start this year. I realize now that Hollis is an outstanding player for this team. We just have to allow him time to become that superstar NBA prospect. I, for one, need to enjoy watching him grow rather than expecting him to take over on command. Jason is the player that does that for this team. Hollis is an amazing second scoring option with an unreal three point stroke and a knack for hitting unbelievably clutch shots. He is budding into a star. Lets just give him the time to do so. With that said, for Georgetown's sake and for his own, I hope he returns for his senior season so he can be the player we sometimes expect him to be this year.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 4, 2012 23:05:37 GMT -5
One more half to go. It ain't over yet. Good call. I'm exhausted.
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joey0403p
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 4, 2012 23:12:58 GMT -5
Just got back...wow a few thoughts
I like many thought we were getting embarressed in the fist half and the start of the second half. They were getting layups and good looks at threes which they seemed to be making at a pretty good clip. We couldn't get much after we hit 21 PTA or so.
I haven't ventured on the marquette board but if I were them I would be pretty furious with the refs. They don't win / lose the game and all that...but this crew was pretty terrible from my seats. They missed at least 3 travels, two by johnson-Oden and one by Clark, all three were pretty obvious. Quetta fans have a decent argument for the sims charge near the end for the corner 3 by Hollis too. I didn't see replays but in real time it was at least a 50 50 call. I dont even know if they were even with how bad they were so I won't speculate. In all the refs were pretty awful...maybe I was looking through my Hoya colored glasses, anyone who watched it on tv have a different opinion.
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gopaland
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Post by gopaland on Jan 4, 2012 23:18:31 GMT -5
Looked like a flop not a charge on sims
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 4, 2012 23:20:30 GMT -5
Just got back...wow a few thoughts I like many thought we were getting embarressed in the fist half and the start of the second half. They were getting layups and good looks at threes which they seemed to be making at a pretty good clip. We couldn't get much after we hit 21 PTA or so. I haven't ventured on the marquette board but if I were them I would be pretty furious with the refs. They don't win / lose the game and all that...but this crew was pretty terrible from my seats. They missed at least 3 travels, two by johnson-Oden and one by Clark, all three were pretty obvious. Quetta fans have a decent argument for the sims charge near the end for the corner 3 by Hollis too. I didn't see replays but in real time it was at least a 50 50 call. I dont even know if they were even with how bad they were so I won't speculate. In all the refs were pretty awful...maybe I was looking through my Hoya colored glasses, anyone who watched it on tv have a different opinion. Refs are always going to favor the momentum of the home team, though. That's why you have to put teams away when you have the chance. To be fair, in reading the Quette boards, they recognize that. A lot of criticism of Buzz down the stretch. Particularly, that time out he called when they were up 17. I didn't quite get that either.
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joey0403p
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 4, 2012 23:20:35 GMT -5
One other thing, quette is good. They will drop in the rankings but I don't buy it. If we are really 9, which is debatable...then quette is at most 15ish.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 4, 2012 23:25:02 GMT -5
Just got back...wow a few thoughts I like many thought we were getting embarressed in the fist half and the start of the second half. They were getting layups and good looks at threes which they seemed to be making at a pretty good clip. We couldn't get much after we hit 21 PTA or so. I haven't ventured on the marquette board but if I were them I would be pretty furious with the refs. They don't win / lose the game and all that...but this crew was pretty terrible from my seats. They missed at least 3 travels, two by johnson-Oden and one by Clark, all three were pretty obvious. Quetta fans have a decent argument for the sims charge near the end for the corner 3 by Hollis too. I didn't see replays but in real time it was at least a 50 50 call. I dont even know if they were even with how bad they were so I won't speculate. In all the refs were pretty awful...maybe I was looking through my Hoya colored glasses, anyone who watched it on tv have a different opinion. Refs were atrocious. If we lost, I'd be railing on them. If Marquette fans are doing the same right now, I don't blame them. Who knows how that game plays out if every call is made correctly. But the refs were so far from good tonight that it's not even worth speculating. Marquette's a good team. Honestly, we have good reason to hate a lot of BE teams. I think Marquette and Louisville are two of the least awful. And they're loyal to the BE (so far). So at this point, I'm happy they're having strong seasons. And I'm even happier we beat them both.
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gahoya
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Post by gahoya on Jan 4, 2012 23:35:27 GMT -5
Marquette has to be loyal. Without football they have no where to go.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 4, 2012 23:37:01 GMT -5
Looked like a flop not a charge on sims For such a big guy, Crowder goes over really, really, really easily. For example, the only way Markel could have knocked Crowder over as "hard" as he did on the charge that got called on Starks was if he'd used a shot gun.
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gahoya
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Post by gahoya on Jan 4, 2012 23:41:30 GMT -5
Hollis fouled him barely and Crowder didn't stop moving from the 'hit' until he had reached the tunnel. Guy starts to flop when he sees someone coming within ten feet of him.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 4, 2012 23:56:57 GMT -5
Crowder should have been recruited by Duke.
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 4, 2012 23:58:17 GMT -5
With 15 minutes left, i started rationalizing that this team will learn from this loss, concluded that while we may not be quite as good as i thought....we could still be a tough out in the tourney, etc, etc......and then the team did what it does.....SACK UP!!! It started with Clark and the 4 freshman and unbelieveable D by GW. Then the two seniors and Hollis took turns each being the MAN down the stretch.
LOVE THIS TEAM!!!
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 5, 2012 0:07:36 GMT -5
We'll never know if it made any difference, but at the under-12 timeout Coach went about as nuclear on Jamie Luckie as he's ever going to go on an official. This was a possession after DJO's three--when he may or may not have shoved off Jabril Trawick--put the margin at 15, and Coach was hot. Not that he wasn't for most of the second half anyway. But during the timeout Coach and then one of the assistants were laying into Luckie at length, following him out to the paint. If you look at the play-by-play, that's the timeout when we finally started to cut into the lead. Pointed that out because the whole episode probably didn't make the TV, and to explain why I'm posting about 1,000 's the next time somebody posts that JTIII doesn't work officials or show enough emotion on the sidelines.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Jan 5, 2012 0:17:04 GMT -5
Marquette got every call for the first ten minutes of the 2nd half. We got every call in the last 10 minutes. But the refs were atrocious for all 20 minutes.
On an unrelated point, there was nothing to like about how easy Marquette was getting to the rim in the first half. That was the worst defense I have seen in a long time from a Georgetown team.
And even more unrelated - Marquette's baby blues are my favorite non-Hoya unis, hands-down.
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Post by chep3 on Jan 5, 2012 0:17:05 GMT -5
Man, what a game. One of the best I've seen live in my life. The crowd (at least on my side--the bench side) really got going in the second half when we cut the lead to 12, even after DJO hit that 3 and flashed a big grin to the crowd. Don't think he was doing that 20 minutes later.
The freshmen won this game for us. When III benched Nate, Hollis, and Henry (I give Markel a pass because he may have been hurt), Mikael, Jabril, Otto, and Greg ramped up the defense and Jason put the team on his back. And yes, that was a benching. III had plenty of opportunities (including the under 12) to bring those guys back in if they were getting a breather--that was a benching for lack of focus/effort/defense (RDF is going to be really happy). The wonderful thing is the freshmen stepped up. Jabril was a pest on defense, and Greg was the mfing warden and kept DJO locked up down the stretch.
The other wonderful thing is that the benching caught everyone's attention. Jason was enormous in carrying us for 10 minutes offensively. You could see he came out with a renewed focus after a pretty lousy first half, and just attacked. And when III brought Hollis and Henry back, they came out on fire. Henry was enormous, attacking the basket and making the right passes. His best play was his finger roll at the basket, where one of the Marquette players tried to bait Henry into making a pass to a seemingly open Otto. Instead, Henry made the right read and just took it to the cup. And what can you say about Hollis. Two huge shots and great defense on the last possession. I love that III benched the upperclassmen when they weren't bringing it, and I love that they responded to it.
Just a great game. We are going to be a great defensive team for the next 2 or 3 years.
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jester
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Post by jester on Jan 5, 2012 0:17:07 GMT -5
Regarding Hollis, I saw him several times get in good position and demand the ball, but Otto and others did not look his way. Maybe because of the plays they were running, but I certainly didnt think he was floating...just not sure he can create his own shot the way Clark can seize the moment.
I do think he needs to work on aspects of his game (mostly handling and driving the ball/midrange) but also think coach could run more plays for him or he needs to find ways to get open and score in our offense better. Or at least it seems that way.
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jester
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Post by jester on Jan 5, 2012 0:18:47 GMT -5
Also shocked Markel even re-entered the game. He basically wobbled of the court like he had a concussion. I'll trust the staff, but he really wasn't himself afterwards.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 5, 2012 0:38:50 GMT -5
The jumbo lineup was what turned the game around (Clark, Trawick, Whittington, Porter, Hopkins/Sims). Marquette's offense died when they came in.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 5, 2012 0:40:25 GMT -5
The freshmen won this game for us. When III benched Nate, Hollis, and Henry (I give Markel a pass because he may have been hurt), Mikael, Jabril, Otto, and Greg ramped up the defense and Jason put the team on his back. And yes, that was a benching. . Henry was in foul trouble that's why he went out. The others were benched because they couldn't defend.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jan 5, 2012 0:50:43 GMT -5
Great moxie and guts displayed by our Hoyas. I was ready to hop on the talk board and say that 10-8 was still the bogey. These guys keep exceeding my expectations. Great season underway.
Can we start clamoring that JTIII recruited the top 2011 high school class? These guys rip it. Despite his mistakes tonight, Trawick is a straight up, stone cold man.
On a tangential point, I think at this point Nate would rather come in as a sub. To sit as a starter and watch Porter play 35 minutes has to hurt a little bit. He was a terrible liability out there on defense in the first half. Stunningly out of position and unaware of cutters.
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