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Post by professorhoya on Jan 5, 2012 0:52:59 GMT -5
Great moxie and guts displayed by our Hoyas. I was ready to hop on the talk board and say that 10-8 was still the bogey. These guys keep exceeding my expectations. Great season underway. Can we start clamoring that JTIII recruited the top 2011 high school class? These guys rip it. Despite his mistakes tonight, Trawick is a straight up, stone cold man. On a tangential point, I think at this point Nate would rather come in as a sub. To sit as a starter and watch Porter play 35 minutes has to hurt a little bit. He was a terrible liability out there on defense in the first half. Stunningly out of position and unaware of cutters. No reason to pick on nate. There were others who were defensive liabilities too vs this really fast offense but let's just celebrate the victory.
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Post by bhhoya on Jan 5, 2012 0:57:50 GMT -5
I cannot believe the play of Henry. Hard to argue he's not our best all around player this year.
Hard for me to think of a Hoya I liked more since Zo (and that's saying a lot); also hard to think of a year over year more improved Hoya that I have ever seen. And the NBA will be calling.
What a TEAM.
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 5, 2012 1:05:57 GMT -5
I cannot believe the play of Henry. Hard to argue he's not our best all around player this year. Hard for me to think of a Hoya I liked more since Zo (and that's saying a lot); also hard to think of a year over year more improved Hoya that I have ever seen. And the NBA will be calling. What a TEAM. I'm with you BH....hard not to love (and root for) Henry considering the trajectory of his career. We clearly wouldn't be where we are today without his contribution. Not sure I can say he's my favorite since Zo....i still have a man crush on Jeff.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 5, 2012 1:09:32 GMT -5
I was annoyed with Amin though. Especially when we were losing. He kept saying the leads back down to 14 or 16 when that was what it was at halftime.
Then he also said we took the lead when we tied it up and that the game was over when there was still time left.
Never heard of the guy, but I'm guessing he must be new.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 5, 2012 3:29:03 GMT -5
Too late to think straight, much less, put it into text. Just finished watching the game. Thank you DVR!!! I had to pick someone up at the airport, and of course, the plane was delayed coming in. And when Marquette went up 17, I wondered why I was still awake. Now I know.
Yippee!!! About halfway through the second half, I said that we really need Hollis to get going -- and that he did!!!!
Good job boys!!!
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 5, 2012 5:48:22 GMT -5
great heart shown by this team. during the first half i thought well ok, this sort of game was bound to happen since we've been playing so well all year. the problems of the first half were totally fixable. most teams fold when down 17 in the 2nd half. not this team. not this year.
2 very tough games coming up. both wvu and cincy somewhat mirror marquette in their intensity and style of play.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 5, 2012 6:06:51 GMT -5
I haven't read any of the comments before me but my main observation from my rocking chair is that this game belongs to the freshmen for the defensive game they played, sometimes with four of them on the floor as we made our comeback. Congratulations to each of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2012 7:56:00 GMT -5
Couple of comments:
That was NOT a charge on Sims at the end. He stopped! I looked at it several times on DVR and he stopped. He did not run through the player. Had he kept going, it would have been a charge. It was not a charge, it was a flop.
In my humble opinion, the difference between this team and last year's team is simple. It is DEPTH!!! What killed Marquette last night was that they don't have much depth and got tired at the end.
Anyway those are my thoughts. What an exciting game. I stayed up late last night to watch the whole second half.
Jerry
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Post by richfame on Jan 5, 2012 7:58:22 GMT -5
A little early with these comments. agreed. but he needs to take more than 7 shots Listen, Ive said repeatedly this year that Hollis has the best looking shot, is extremely clutch and has amazing character! Im still saying through the course of alot of these games he will start strong then he will become extremely unselfish and for long stretches of minutes you wont hear from him again. Im not saying hes not very very good, an dim not saying he may be a solid nba player. Im always not saying when the games on teh line he wont step up. Im saying when things are getting FUBARED and the chips look down Alot of times hes not going to put us on his back and pull us out a victory. But really who cares, this team is A TEAM and maybe there will be a different guy every night that can lead us to victory just like CLARK pulled us out of our funk last night.. Im not killing anyone just defending my previous statement.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 5, 2012 9:29:53 GMT -5
Haven't gotten a chance to read through the thread yet, but obviously our defense was the key to the come back. An interesting stat I wanted to point out that shows our improvement on the defense end as the game progressed.
Marquette finished the game with 15 assists(below their average). They had 12 assists in the first half and only 3 in the whole second half. They had 1 at the 15 minute mark the next at the 13 minute mark and didn't record their next and final assist until 1 minute to go in the game. Meanwhile they had had assists on their first 5 field goals to start the game.
We stopped them getting easy buckets from their ball movement and forced them to beat us one on one and they weren't able to with our commitment to defense in the second half.
I'm sure this has been said but major praise should be heaped on Greg for his lock down defense of DJO. Also praise needs to be given to JT3 for benching those who were not playing defense and playing the freshman who were.
Wow just wow just an amazing game. Electric. I was still buzzing for hours after the game. Basically still am.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 5, 2012 9:40:27 GMT -5
team HEART guts yup and the D creates the O nuf said BEAT WEST VA. GO HOYAS BIG GAME COMING YUP
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Post by mapei on Jan 5, 2012 9:40:40 GMT -5
I echo those who say Marquette is really good - everybody is understandably focused on our side, but their first half offense was dazzling. Our D definitely had a lot to do with the change but few teams can be expected to play that well for an entire game. Actually, the first few minutes of the first half, I thought both teams were putting on a show. Then we went cold and they kept it up.
I also agree with the observation that they were getting the iffy calls for a long time, and then we did. I thought lots of the calls should have been no-calls, and I also thought they missed a lot that they could have called - on both sides. The reffing just seemed kind of arbitrary.
I'll be surprised if Markel doesn't have a concussion. Scary stuff, as we see from other sports. I hope (1) he takes all the time he needs and (2) he doesn't need much.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 5, 2012 9:41:07 GMT -5
Unbelievable win last night. Spent the remainder of the night following the game celebrating on 7th Street, so I didn't have a chance to post until now.
Overall, a tremendous win that really exemplified how mature beyond their years this team really is. Even though we got down huge even in the second half, I never got the impression that we were panicking. We haven't played the OOC schedule that we have in years past, but I think we've really learned a lot from the tough close games that we have played.
Things I really liked:
Our upperclassmen providing leadership on the offensive end in the last 10-12 minutes of the game. Hollis and Henry stepped up in crunch time on offense and taking just about every shot down the stretch. And not just forcing shots; they worked for good shots within the flow of the offense and hit them. Jason did a fair bit more forcing, but given the unit that was on the floor when we began to make our defensive stand, that was a necessity, and he was effective in not only scoring effectively (sans FT line), but also slowing the game down by drawing fouls.
The defense from our freshmen. The first half was probably the worst half of defense I've seen Georgetown play since the Ohio game 2 years ago. Minus the few minutes Jabril was in, Marquette was getting every open three and layup that they could have possibly wanted. The freshman really set the tone defensively in the second half and made just about every shot a contested one even though we had a whistle-happy crew last night. Specifically, I thought the perimeter defense in particular was excellent in the last 10-12 minutes of the game.
Physicality: Despite the mounting foul trouble, I thought we did a good job staying physical with Marquette, who wilted towards the end. I thought the block midway in the 1st half where the Marquette kid ended up on the ground for a minute or so would be a turning point in our favor, but it didn't end up that way. But it is obvious: this year, our guys are willing to dish out some punishment when the situation presents itself. The late foul on Kuric in the L'ville game and much of last night's game have shown me this team is willing to get tough in conference play, and that makes me very happy.
JTIII. He deserves a slap on the wrist for letting us come out so flat defensively for such a long period of time in the 1st half, but as already noted in earlier posts on this thread: his decision to play the freshmen and make the necessary defensive adjustments out on the perimeter (Greg on DJO) was smart. I thought Hopkins provided a spark with his offensive rebounding and energy. In prior years, JTIII may have relied too much on experience. Sure, the overall youth of this team forced his hand, but he made the right call last night and deserves credit for that.
The fans. Best home crowd I have seen in a long time. They were just itching to get involved in the game, and when we made that first spurt from down 17 to down 12 prior to the blatant push-off and 3 by DJO, you could hear the volume rise significantly in the building. That hasn't always happened. The fans last night understood that our team would need to feed off their energy in order to complete that comeback, and they more than obliged. Kudos to everyone in attendance last night.
Things I disliked:
Taking care of the ball. We did a much better job of it in the second half, but we still made way too many careless turnovers. I remember seeing a disparity of 13 FG attempts in the 1st half due to our 12 first half TOs. It won't matter how well we shoot the ball; we need to make sure we value the basketball much better moving forward.
FT shooting: JC played like a man last night with his relentless attacking of the rim on offense, but 7 missed FTs is an absolute killer. Hopefully this was just a blip on the radar for him.
Nate: He doesn't deserve the Benimon-level hate that some people are giving him. But the productivity just isn't there right now, and when he's being kept off the boards like he was last night, I'm not sure he brings anything to the table. Our defense was most suspect when he was in the game (at this point I'm more shocked when he DOESN'T go for a pump-fake). I know +/- is not a foolproof indicator of whether or not someone's playing well, but let's not forget the majority of Lubick's minutes come at the beginning of halves when most if not all the starters are in the game. The +/- stats on Hoya Prospectus for the last few games don't lie. We need Nate to stay in the rotation, but Hopkins really should see some more minutes considering what he's given us, and those minutes are likely to continue to come from Nate's.
Officiating: That crew last night was abysmal at best. A lot of touch fouls called, a lot of obvious hacks missed. The DJO push off before his 3 was one of the most obvious calls I have ever seen missed. They bought every single Jai Crowder (who belongs in the ACC with that display of garbage) flop the entire night. And can anyone explain to me why we didn't get FTs off a loose ball foul on Marquette with about 4-5 minutes in the game when they were already in the double bonus?
The waitress at RFD's post-game: I know that when you claim Cuse as your alma mater, you probably have the intelligence of a rock. This waitress promptly announced to our table after serving our first round of drinks that we weren't going to be allowed to talk about Georgetown basketball as long as she was serving us, and then proceeded to ask us if we knew anything about being undefeated. We proceeded to ask her if she knew anything about working at a job that relies on tips. The stupidity that comes from that "school" never ceases to amaze.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 5, 2012 9:41:21 GMT -5
PS REGGIE AND THE MIRACLES hmmmm this year could be when we need d and to come back JASON AND THE FOUR FROSH yup
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 5, 2012 9:44:52 GMT -5
ps AGREE WITH MAPEI in looking at the ESPN slow version of markel being taken off the court he was very very shaky and then just HE WAS not in the game...... alot of turnovers and missed shots. I DO WORRY HE HAD A CONCUSSION....... just too shaky coming off the court.. almost staggering...... PLEASE hope hes ok for him .aND the team go HOYAS..
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Post by dense on Jan 5, 2012 9:46:16 GMT -5
They were claiming it was a player-control foul which I just don't get on a loose ball. I mean loose ball fouls in the nba aren't ruled that way, I didn't know the rules in college were different. I too thought that was incorrect.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 5, 2012 9:47:06 GMT -5
One last thing I missed in my exceedingly long post just now: we didn't do a good job in the first half of busting back on defense after a made basket/FT. Marquette got countless easy baskets by pushing the ball up immediately and catching us off guard. We have to do a better job in that respect and force teams to try to score against us in the halfcourt.
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Post by mapei on Jan 5, 2012 9:56:51 GMT -5
Good summary, Rockaway - I too noticed the difference in 1st half attempts. It was mostly our turnovers but also they outrebounded us by 4 in that half despite our having fewer attempts.
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Post by Boz on Jan 5, 2012 9:59:52 GMT -5
The waitress at RFD's post-game: I know that when you claim Cuse as your alma mater, you probably have the intelligence of a rock. This waitress promptly announced to our table after serving our first round of drinks that we weren't going to be allowed to talk about Georgetown basketball as long as she was serving us, and then proceeded to ask us if we knew anything about being undefeated. We proceeded to ask her if she knew anything about working at a job that relies on tips. The stupidity that comes from that "school" never ceases to amaze. You might have wanted to tell her to stick to waiting on just your table. Because it would be too risky to travel to any other table. Also, as a tip, maybe give her a rape whistle or one of those emergency 911-only phones in case she ever runs into any of the Syracuse players or alumni.
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Post by mapei on Jan 5, 2012 10:03:16 GMT -5
I confess that my response would have been entirely dependent on her attractiveness level. At either end of the spectrum I would have cut her slack and engaged in playful banter. In the middle, I might not be so nice.
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