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Post by wahoohoya on Dec 20, 2011 13:55:12 GMT -5
I don't have a link to the source - found this on the Memphis board. Andy Katz on this game:
"Memphis over Georgetown, Thursday: If I told you at the beginning of the season that Memphis beating Georgetown was an upset, you would have laughed. The Tigers were a preseason top-10 team, while the Hoyas were unranked and way off the radar. But Memphis has struggled finishing games and Georgetown has looked like a Big East contender, had a significant road win at Alabama and already knocked off Memphis in Maui on Nov. 23. But Memphis showed flashes of what it could be offensively in the close loss to Louisville on Saturday. The combination of Will Barton and Joe Jackson will continue to be tough to defend. Georgetown has plenty of options now with Jason Clark, Hollis Thompson, Henry Sims and Markel Starks. And this team actually may be more balanced than last season, just without the star qualities. But I'm going with a hunch here that Memphis can right itself on the road in D.C. and avenge its earlier loss to the Hoyas. "
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 20, 2011 23:33:43 GMT -5
Posters hate Lubick because they're racist. Just like JTII hoyatalk cannot tolerate a white starter. ;D
In all seriousness, I completely agree with SF and think people are killing Lubick unnecessarily. People have it in their head and there's no getting it out now.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Dec 21, 2011 10:26:02 GMT -5
Posters hate Lubick because they're racist. Just like JTII hoyatalk cannot tolerate a white starter. ;D In all seriousness, I completely agree with SF and think people are killing Lubick unnecessarily. People have it in their head and there's no getting it out now. Like others have said, just take the 10-12 footer. The one in the first half against Bama from the short corner was textbook. I remember saying "thank you!" before it even went in, because it was a good shot in rhythm that he can hit.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 21, 2011 10:42:14 GMT -5
Oh i'm sure some people would come around if he started producing a little better, but not every one would.
Some people had too high of expectations for him and will ignore any good he does because he's not living up to those expectations. Some people just won't get over the fact that he looks goofy and had a couple of turnover that just looked really bad.
SF's point is really good though. Nate has been no worse than Greg but people are only getting upset at Nate. My best guess the cause is because Greg's mistakes are by commission while Nate's are more omission.
My main point that the whole notion that Nate is killing this team just is not close to being true.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 21, 2011 11:33:22 GMT -5
Need to win. Losing totally erases our earlier win against them. Losing doesn't erase the earlier victory with Memphis, where'd you get that from LOL! I don't know why the word came out of your mouth! WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN...
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 21, 2011 11:34:30 GMT -5
I have a really weird feeling about this game. I'm not confident at all. Yet a small part of me thinks we win in a laugher, and I end up feeling foolish for being nervous. Well hate to say if you don't believe then you're not a true fan for real! Think positive! No consigners please lol...waiting...
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 21, 2011 11:37:03 GMT -5
Too much negativity my goodness! Even "some" not "all" of our fans have doubt/ed us this season! Keep doubting, just keep doubting! smh
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 21, 2011 11:38:02 GMT -5
I'm just glad the Hoyas don't go into a game doubting themselves because the game would be over before it was started! Stay positive and eager to win no matter!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 21, 2011 11:40:26 GMT -5
Porter is third on the team in minutes played. Does it really matter if he starts? It doesn't matter if Otto starts TRUE!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 21, 2011 11:42:48 GMT -5
It's a long season and Nate has shown some flashes of snapping out of his funk. See same things he did last year--but some players have improved (Henry) or are better then what was around last year (Porter instead of Benimon) and Hollis/Jason on court at same time means offensive role for Lubick is still taking time. He's at least facing up and dribbling into space where he has to be accounted for lately and he's provided some nice plays. I'm very interested to see if he shows improvement this week compared to initial Memphis game. Damnnnnnnnn so TRUE, can't believe I agreed with you lol...
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 21, 2011 11:45:03 GMT -5
I don't think Nate and Whittington are necessarily comparable. Nate is a sophomore who started games in the Big East last year. Greg is a freshman. When a sophomore who has had some real experience looks like a deer in the headlights when he gets the ball, its disconcerting. Greg on the other hand, though his shot hasn't been falling, looks fairly comfortable out there. I think the main issue people have taken with Nate is the lack of confidence (which has likely caused the brutal turnovers). People are happy with Greg's comfort in the offense/ the looks that he's taking and are confident that eventually, his shots will start falling. Also, his huge tip-in against Memphis probably doesn't hurt the way he's viewed on here either. 1) You're right that it's not comparable in terms of evaluating development, etc. But it's absolutely comparable in terms of in game evaluation and discussion of PT. "He's killing us!" comments should be regardless of experience. Also: Nate has been MUCH better offensively than Greg. 2) Your comment on confidence ('they'll fall') confirms for me what I thought -- people are evaluating more on look than results. As usual. There's no reason his shot will start to fall. He shoots a lot but it's not pretty at all. He's got plenty of time to improve and plenty of Hoyas do, but the reality is, he's a liability on offense right now. Nate is getting singled out by a lot of people, and I suspect a lot of those folks never really liked him. A lot of them are also the people who wanted Henry to leave or never play, who thought Markel would never be good, etc. Nate gets jumped on from the first mistake. Excuse me Whittington has been just fine off of the bench he's hitting key shots when we need them and playing good defense and communicating people are not looking at the little stuff he's doing, he's altering shots, with his length guards turn away and go another way and of course run into more length...
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 21, 2011 11:46:58 GMT -5
I think everyone should read lic's post and talk about how we are going to whup on Memphis.... ...TWO TIMES!! Hopefully Greg AND Nate will contribute. If nothing else, to slow down Will Barton and Tarik Black, respectively, even just a little bit. Yessir!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 21, 2011 11:50:32 GMT -5
I don't think Nate and Whittington are necessarily comparable. Nate is a sophomore who started games in the Big East last year. Greg is a freshman. When a sophomore who has had some real experience looks like a deer in the headlights when he gets the ball, its disconcerting. Greg on the other hand, though his shot hasn't been falling, looks fairly comfortable out there. I think the main issue people have taken with Nate is the lack of confidence (which has likely caused the brutal turnovers). People are happy with Greg's comfort in the offense/ the looks that he's taking and are confident that eventually, his shots will start falling. Also, his huge tip-in against Memphis probably doesn't hurt the way he's viewed on here either. 1) You're right that it's not comparable in terms of evaluating development, etc. But it's absolutely comparable in terms of in game evaluation and discussion of PT. "He's killing us!" comments should be regardless of experience. Also: Nate has been MUCH better offensively than Greg. 2) Your comment on confidence ('they'll fall') confirms for me what I thought -- people are evaluating more on look than results. As usual. There's no reason his shot will start to fall. He shoots a lot but it's not pretty at all. He's got plenty of time to improve and plenty of Hoyas do, but the reality is, he's a liability on offense right now. Nate is getting singled out by a lot of people, and I suspect a lot of those folks never really liked him. A lot of them are also the people who wanted Henry to leave or never play, who thought Markel would never be good, etc. Nate gets jumped on from the first mistake. Nate is being singled out because he doesn't have the confidence to shoot the ball "right now"...he might have the skill but we're not seeing on a consistent basis...sitting right behind the bench I'm seeing no confidence at all on the offensive end and he knows it also...remember he's just a sophomore and is being pushed to produce more, but it's not there yet, it will be...Let's Go Nate!!! As for Whittington, he's a jewel in the making...these young cats don't back down from no one...remember, it's a team effort there is no one to blame...
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 21, 2011 11:54:00 GMT -5
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Post by williambraskyiii on Dec 21, 2011 12:01:50 GMT -5
10 straight posts, that's about right.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 21, 2011 12:06:05 GMT -5
Need to win. Losing totally erases our earlier win against them. Losing doesn't erase the earlier victory with Memphis, where'd you get that from LOL! I don't know why the word came out of your mouth! WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN... In the minds of voters and the general public it does. Perception is reality. LOL I think I'm better than everyone else LOL. Get over yourself LOL.
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Post by gahoya on Dec 21, 2011 12:23:38 GMT -5
Lubick just appears to be screwing up more than someone like Greg because when he does, they are just stupid plays, such as the dropped passes for TO's, not paying attention, etc. Greg can shoot and miss all day but it won't seem that bad just because his aren't as noticeable.
Also, Greg has done a bit more scoring which apparently makes up for the mess-ups, and unfortunately Lubick's rebounds aren't doing the same.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 21, 2011 12:36:14 GMT -5
Lubick (35 pts) has scored more than Greg (27 pts) this year. Neither is particularly amazing at that scoring thing.
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Post by alleninxis on Dec 21, 2011 12:41:46 GMT -5
Nate while very shaky on offense at times, has contributed defensively and on the boards. I do think we need him to become more of a threat to have success in BE play. Defenses give him a 15 ft jumper, he needs to be willing to take it in rhythm.
Greg's offense will come, had the rep of a shooter coming in..and as he gets comfortable, he'll start hitting a better % of his attempts (kind of like what Markel is doing now). And there are a minimum of 2 plays a game where Greg's length keeps a ball alive, gets him a steal or rebound or alters a shot that the personnel of last year wouldn't be able to do. There's value with him on the court.
Don't really see the need to knock either down right now.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Dec 21, 2011 12:44:00 GMT -5
Also, Greg has done a bit more scoring which apparently makes up for the mess-ups Which mess ups? Missing shots that he hits easily in an open gym? Greg's deficiencies aren't troublesome to me because he's playing with confidence. At this level of competition you cant just go out there against superior competition, doubting yourself and expect to do well. The biggest fault I have with Nate's play at this point is that he doesn't take or look to score from a wide open 9 footer when his man is sagging off of him. Its inexcusable because he is more than capable of finishing those plays, he just needs confidence. And also his decisions with the ball have not been quick enough, but thats just nitpicking since it doesn't directly hurt our performance. Yeah and BTW our whole fanbase would be a lot more gloomy had Greg not forced OT. Think about that. It has to count for something. (and even to a degree his three vs alabama)
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