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Post by seaweed on Dec 8, 2010 12:49:22 GMT -5
mmmm, donuts
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Post by bmartin on Dec 10, 2010 21:34:36 GMT -5
Roy with 13 points, 14 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 blocks, 1 steal in Pacers win over Charlotte
Greg Monroe with his first career start (Pistons resting Ben Wallace).
Greg has 8 points and 11 rebounds through middle of 3rd quarter vs Twolves.
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Post by bmartin on Dec 10, 2010 22:28:08 GMT -5
Monroe ends his first start with 8 points, 15 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Dec 11, 2010 11:58:18 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Dec 11, 2010 15:27:15 GMT -5
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Post by joey0403p on Dec 11, 2010 18:47:18 GMT -5
The strides he has made since freshman year are remarkable. I caught some highlights of him the other day and he looks better running now than he did as a senior, and I recall as a senior I felt he looked 1000x better at running than as a freshman.
BMW - hahaha that is really mean though.
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Post by FormerHoya on Dec 14, 2010 11:04:04 GMT -5
Roy looked bad last night. I remember in college it seemed like he would destroy the other big men (Oden, Gray, UConn's center whose name is totally escaping me), and get owned by smaller stronger players.
Boozer played the role of smaller stronger player last night. Ugly.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 14, 2010 11:37:16 GMT -5
Roy looked bad last night. I remember in college it seemed like he would destroy the other big men (Oden, Gray, UConn's center whose name is totally escaping me), and get owned by smaller stronger players. Boozer played the role of smaller stronger player last night. Ugly. Boozer is pretty good. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2010 11:49:55 GMT -5
Roy looked bad last night. I remember in college it seemed like he would destroy the other big men (Oden, Gray, UConn's center whose name is totally escaping me), and get owned by smaller stronger players. Boozer played the role of smaller stronger player last night. Ugly. Boozer is pretty good. He DID play his college ball at Big Man U. |
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Post by kchoya on Dec 15, 2010 10:40:36 GMT -5
Looks like Greg started last night at PF alongside Ben Wallace. Average stats - 5 points and 7 boards in 21 minutes. I think those numbers are not too shabby when you compare them with those of Marvin Williams, who has been in the league for a while now and still only had 6 and 5 in 30 minutes. scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=301214008 |
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Post by jester on Dec 15, 2010 11:49:08 GMT -5
His play has been improving - it seems like Detroit is happy with his defense/rebounding, which is really what they are used to in their frontline (Ben Wallace). Which is a different side than what people saw him as in college - a gifted passer with a bit of offensive game. But the offense will take some time - Greg never left college with polished moves, and mostly relied on his size, agility, and craftiness, edges he doesnt get in the NBA most of the time.
Only somewhat related - It seems like the pt power forward mold similar to that which Gtown fosters does not directly translate well to NBA teams, with the exceptions of McGrady, Lamar Odom...and Green and Monroe were pretty talented players. Will we ever see a GU player carry those over to the NBA - or does it take a team to showcase those skills (like GU does on the college side)?
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Dec 15, 2010 16:16:15 GMT -5
His play has been improving - it seems like Detroit is happy with his defense/rebounding, which is really what they are used to in their frontline (Ben Wallace). Which is a different side than what people saw him as in college - a gifted passer with a bit of offensive game. But the offense will take some time - Greg never left college with polished moves, and mostly relied on his size, agility, and craftiness, edges he doesnt get in the NBA most of the time. Only somewhat related - It seems like the pt power forward mold similar to that which Gtown fosters does not directly translate well to NBA teams, with the exceptions of McGrady, Lamar Odom...and Green and Monroe were pretty talented players. Will we ever see a GU player carry those over to the NBA - or does it take a team to showcase those skills (like GU does on the college side)? An interesting point. it may be a difference between pro and college game in general. Much more isolation in NBA, right, so movement/sharing isn't emphasized as much? I didn't see a lot of McGrady in Toronto, but would we call him a Point PF? Odom, OK. Jeff is playing on a team where the offense doesn't run through him, so it's hard to say that he isn't filling that role when he really can't. But Roy is to an extent as a C, and the impact is clear on his game and his team. And maybe Greg needs a little more time to get stronger before we can say for sure. Remember how bad Roy looked at times his rookie year? Greg seems to making some strides already. I think he'll be the clearest answer to your question because he isn't playing with Kevin Durant. I think the interesting thing will be when III starts putting guards in the league (next year), to see how their ability to read defenses and pass will translate. Speaking of NBA Hoyas, where is DaJuan? Hurt? Did they send him down to D-league? I went 6 pages back on this thread and must have missed it. He doesn't even show up as DNP in the Pistons' box scores. |
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Post by DudeSlade on Dec 15, 2010 17:21:16 GMT -5
I thought before Greg was drafted and more so even now that Gtown's bigs would be best suited in a triangle offense in the NBA. That ability to pass and move and help facilitate an offense that Gtown stresses is equally valued in the triangle. I look at Odom, Gasol, even what is asked of Bynum and what Kevin Love can do for the Twolves (remember Rambis runs the triangle or at least the best he can get that talent to come to it) and I think that it would be awesome to see our guys in that system. We all know the passing ability of Greg and Jeff, but recently some are even saying that Roy could be one of the best passing big men in the game -- how little teams utilize that skill in a big is sad.
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Post by DudeSlade on Dec 15, 2010 17:24:19 GMT -5
Also, really liked the "Spin" they had on his ESPN profile page:
"Tuesday marked Monroe's second start of the season. He only played 20 minutes, but Monroe should hold on to the starting gig going forward and steadily see his playing time increase. He'll be inconsistent on the offensive end, but Monroe can provide immediate value with his rebounds and blocks."
Who would have thought in June that it would be his rebounding and blocks that would be touted as pluses to his team over his offensive game? That just means hustle and hard work by Greg. He has too much talent and feel for the game not to get that offensive game to pick up as long as he keeps showing that hard work.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 15, 2010 17:47:06 GMT -5
Let's not forget that Greg was a tremendous rebounder for us last year, especially on the defensive end.
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Post by bmartin on Dec 15, 2010 23:04:49 GMT -5
He needs to work on his high post, elbow, and baseline jumpers. He could be a triple threat from those spots but he is getting everything blocked in the paint.
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Post by vcjack on Dec 15, 2010 23:30:30 GMT -5
His play has been improving - it seems like Detroit is happy with his defense/rebounding, which is really what they are used to in their frontline (Ben Wallace). Which is a different side than what people saw him as in college - a gifted passer with a bit of offensive game. But the offense will take some time - Greg never left college with polished moves, and mostly relied on his size, agility, and craftiness, edges he doesnt get in the NBA most of the time. Only somewhat related - It seems like the pt power forward mold similar to that which Gtown fosters does not directly translate well to NBA teams, with the exceptions of McGrady, Lamar Odom...and Green and Monroe were pretty talented players. Will we ever see a GU player carry those over to the NBA - or does it take a team to showcase those skills (like GU does on the college side)? An interesting point. it may be a difference between pro and college game in general. Much more isolation in NBA, right, so movement/sharing isn't emphasized as much? I didn't see a lot of McGrady in Toronto, but would we call him a Point PF? Odom, OK. Jeff is playing on a team where the offense doesn't run through him, so it's hard to say that he isn't filling that role when he really can't. But Roy is to an extent as a C, and the impact is clear on his game and his team. And maybe Greg needs a little more time to get stronger before we can say for sure. Remember how bad Roy looked at times his rookie year? Greg seems to making some strides already. I think he'll be the clearest answer to your question because he isn't playing with Kevin Durant. I think the interesting thing will be when III starts putting guards in the league (next year), to see how their ability to read defenses and pass will translate. Speaking of NBA Hoyas, where is DaJuan? Hurt? Did they send him down to D-league? I went 6 pages back on this thread and must have missed it. He doesn't even show up as DNP in the Pistons' box scores. To his credit, DaJuan hasn't spent a minute in the D league yet. He's still on the Detroit roster, just at the very end of the bench. |
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Post by prhoya on Dec 15, 2010 23:36:43 GMT -5
Also, really liked the "Spin" they had on his ESPN profile page: "Tuesday marked Monroe's second start of the season. He only played 20 minutes, but Monroe should hold on to the starting gig going forward and steadily see his playing time increase. He'll be inconsistent on the offensive end, but Monroe can provide immediate value with his rebounds and blocks." If Detroit is looking for rebounding, then Dajuan will not see the court. Will he commit to rebounding during the last year of his contract? |
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Post by rosslynhoya on Dec 16, 2010 7:59:57 GMT -5
To his credit, DaJuan hasn't spent a minute in the D league yet. He's still on the Detroit roster, just at the very end of the bench. Great point! Dajuan is still living the dream. As long as he's contributing in practice and working on improving his own skills, he's still in a great position to make the dream last a bit longer. |
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Post by kchoya on Dec 16, 2010 18:49:11 GMT -5
Just in case anyone was starting to like Jim O'Brien:
“I think that Roy would say – and I certainly share this belief – I don’t think he’s having a very good season,” O’Brien said. “I think that he can play at a much higher level right away than he’s doing right now.”
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