NBA Hoyas

[MCIGuy]

Horford and Noah deserve the reserve spots (both reserve spots) over Roy.

[hoyarooter]

Stoudimire could get picked as a center. I'm pulling for Roy, but it's still an uphill battle for him. Also, definitely agree re Noah (although we may not like to hear that) and perhaps Horford as well.

[hoyarooter]

Nov 30, 2010 10:24:51 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

Nov 30, 2010 9:55:48 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Two good links

www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/11/30/the-big-man-of-tomorrow-en-resurrection/

Love the looks on Kobe Bryant's face.

Yeah, me too. He was obviously angry at himself for just standing there and letting himself get outhustled by a big. Tried to let the ball come to him, as Stu Lantz said.

[williambraskyiii]

Nov 30, 2010 13:03:24 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Horford and Noah deserve the reserve spots (both reserve spots) over Roy.

I don't think it is that clear cut with Horford vs. Roy. Noah, I agree, should have a spot.

Roy: 16.1 ppg, 9.6 rbg, 3.0 apg, 2.1 bpg, 7 double-doubles

Horford: 16.3 ppg, 9.4 rbg, 3.1 apg, .94 bpg, 9 double-doubles

Atlanta has a slightly better record (11-7 vs. 8-7) but Indiana has been garnering recognition for a much improved team and Roy is ESPN's early choice for MIP.

I think that is as close to a toss-up as could be.

[jester]

Roy has def stepped it up, but I see Horford getting it. He has been more consistent game to game, Roy had a bunch of big scoring games where he only scored a few after half. The fact that Horford is a bit more recognized over the last few yrs/in general prob gives him a leg up as well.

However, the fact that it is this close now, when Horford has essentially been the same player for the last few yrs while Roy is improving, bodes well for Roy and think that given his rate of improvement next yr should definitely be a goal for him.

[MCIGuy]

Nov 30, 2010 12:02:34 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

I remember a post by someone on the main Suckacuse board insisting that Roy would never be morevthan a slow, weak back-up center in the NBA. Just confirmation of the bball intelligence of the average Orange fan.

To be fair fans of Maryland, Villanova, Ohio State, North Carolina, ....heck, fans of Gtown, all said the same thing.

That was the opinion of most people. Hibbs probably was better regarded during the latter portion of his soph season as well as his junior year. By the time his senior season ended most brushed him off.

Its funny litsening to Tony Kornheiser who has mentioned over the past year how he has been surprised by how Hibbert has played in the NBA because he too thought he would be a backup (not that TK pays any much attention to anything outside the NFL, Maryland basketball, American Idol and Mad Men). But the most insulting thing is that he keeps mentioning how he was surprised Brian Zoubek has not made an NBA team because, according to Kornheiser, he had a similiar progression as Roy did in college.

Hmmmm...let's see: Roy was a second team Big East player in his soph season, a First Team Big East player during his junior and senior seasons, an All Big East Tournament selection during his junior and senior seasons, an All East Regional team selection in the 2007 NCAA Tournament, an All Final Four team selection in 2007 as well, a second team All American during his senior year and the leading scorer and rebounder of the Hoyas during his final season. How does Zoubek's career compare in any way to that? Zoubek played decently for six weeks of his four year stay in Durham.

[The Stig]

Roy getting some love for MIP: espn.go.com/nba/notebook/_/page/Awards-101130/nba-awards-watch

[kchoya]

Nov 30, 2010 15:47:49 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Nov 30, 2010 12:02:34 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

I remember a post by someone on the main Suckacuse board insisting that Roy would never be morevthan a slow, weak back-up center in the NBA. Just confirmation of the bball intelligence of the average Orange fan.

Its funny litsening to Tony Kornheiser who has mentioned over the past year how he has been surprised by how Hibbert has played in the NBA because he too thought he would be a backup (not that TK pays any much attention to anything outside the NFL Brett Favre, Maryland basketball Gary Williams, American Idol and Mad Men).

Fixed.

[DudeSlade]

Am I wrong to think that perhaps Roy acted a little prematurely in playing for Jamaica this last year? Is it not within the realm of possibility that sometime in the future Roy would have been considered for Team USA, considering how few centers there are out there and the way injuries/free agency/family issues/etc. seem to affect players' availabilities for the team. I mean, Lamar Odom played C on this year's team with Tyson Chandler and Kevin Love the other options at C. Javale McGee was even seriously considered.

I'm not saying he could have been on the Olympics squad, because all the best guys want to play there, but would the next World Championship not have been a possibility if he continues to get better as we all expect?

[MCIGuy]

Nov 30, 2010 17:43:21 GMT -5 DudeSlade said:

Am I wrong to think that perhaps Roy acted a little prematurely in playing for Jamaica this last year? Is it not within the realm of possibility that sometime in the future Roy would have been considered for Team USA, considering how few centers there are out there and the way injuries/free agency/family issues/etc. seem to affect players' availabilities for the team. I mean, Lamar Odom played C on this year's team with Tyson Chandler and Kevin Love the other options at C. Javale McGee was even seriously considered.

I'm not saying he could have been on the Olympics squad, because all the best guys want to play there, but would the next World Championship not have been a possibility if he continues to get better as we all expect?

He wasn't offered a tryout in the summer of 2009, but McGee was. The writing was on the wall. From 2008 to 2009 the big guys who were brought in for tryouts were Oden, Chandler, both Lopez brothers, Love and McGee. Hibbert was not seriously considered even though some of the guys who were chosen instead of him had yet to prove themselves in the NBA or at least had not proven themselves any more than Roy. K and Colangelo had their chance to give Roy an invite but they never did, even though Roy, unlike those other guys, had already suited up for Team USA in the 22 and under competition before his senior season. Roy was convinced he wasn't going to get the call from K and Co and mentioned he would seek to play for Jamaica instead. At that time K or Colangelo could have called him and told him to hold off from playing for Jamaica because they wanted him to try out for USA instead. But of course that didn't happen. They didn't want the guy.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

GregAnthony50

MY TOP 5 CENTERS 1. GASOL 2. HOWARD 3. CHANDLER 4. HIBBERT 5. BOGUT HM JEFFERSON, LOPEZ, OKAFOR,

[DudeSlade]

Nov 30, 2010 18:06:17 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Nov 30, 2010 17:43:21 GMT -5 DudeSlade said:

Am I wrong to think that perhaps Roy acted a little prematurely in playing for Jamaica this last year? Is it not within the realm of possibility that sometime in the future Roy would have been considered for Team USA, considering how few centers there are out there and the way injuries/free agency/family issues/etc. seem to affect players' availabilities for the team. I mean, Lamar Odom played C on this year's team with Tyson Chandler and Kevin Love the other options at C. Javale McGee was even seriously considered.

I'm not saying he could have been on the Olympics squad, because all the best guys want to play there, but would the next World Championship not have been a possibility if he continues to get better as we all expect?

He wasn't offered a tryout in the summer of 2009, but McGee was. The writing was on the wall. From 2008 to 2009 the big guys who were brought in for tryouts were Oden, Chandler, both Lopez brothers, Love and McGee. Hibbert was not seriously considered even though some of the guys who were chosen instead of him had yet to prove themselves in the NBA or at least had not proven themselves any more than Roy. K and Colangelo had their chance to give Roy an invite but they never did, even though Roy, unlike those other guys, had already suited up for Team USA in the 22 and under competition before his senior season. Roy was convinced he wasn't going to get the call from K and Co and mentioned he would seek to play for Jamaica instead. At that time K or Colangelo could have called him and told him to hold off from playing for Jamaica because they wanted him to try out for USA instead. But of course that didn't happen. They didn't want the guy.

I don't disagree, MCI. Team USA missed the boat here. But as much as we all love Roy, we can all admit it really wasn't until this year that he made that leap to being a fringe all-star and most people didn't seem to think it was in him, whereas some of those others came with more of a reputation (at least for general athleticism) whether it was earned or not. I'm not saying it's right, but I certainly wonder if they would feel the same way about Roy now and if they would have given Roy a shot now that they see what he's doing.

[MCIGuy]

Nov 30, 2010 20:52:43 GMT -5 DudeSlade said:

I don't disagree, MCI. Team USA missed the boat here. But as much as we all love Roy, we can all admit it really wasn't until this year that he made that leap to being a fringe all-star and most people didn't seem to think it was in him, whereas some of those others came with more of a reputation (at least for general athleticism) whether it was earned or not. I'm not saying it's right, but I certainly wonder if they would feel the same way about Roy now and if they would have given Roy a shot now that they see what he's doing.

Even before this "restructuring" of his body he was still better than Robin Lopez and McGee in the summer of 2009. That's my whole issue with it all.

[jester]

Hibbert's tweet:

Looking back I am happy I stayed that extra year in college. Def wouldn't have been ready mentally n physically ready. Thanks Gtown.

Update on Monroe's progress:

Just like he did against Zach Randolph and Amar'e Stoudemire last week, Monroe used his body to physically engage Howard. Monroe also exhibited quick hands, stripping Howard twice before he could go up for a shot.

Howard came into the night averaging 26 points per game over the past five, but was limited to nine by Monroe and Ben Wallace. It was easily his lowest offensive output of the season.
Monroe's strong defensive play wasn't limited to manning Howard. He also stripped the ball from Jameer Nelson when the speedy Magic point guard got past his defender and into the lane early in the fourth quarter..
Minutes later, Monroe tracked down Brandon Bass on the fast-break and emphatically blocked his shot from behind.

www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2010/11/three-pointers_greg_monroe_tak.html

Must be watching Jeff ..who had a sweet trailing block too chasing down CP3:

[hoya95]

Jeff knocks down three free throws with 4 seconds left to send it to Triple Overtime. He's got 37 so far w/Durant out. On NBA TV now.

[MEGAFAN]

And Greg Monroe had 15 & 8 in 30 minutes in Detroit's (blowout) loss to Miami.

[SirSaxa]

Jeff's line tonight
37 Pts, 12/21 FGs, 4/5 Threes, 9/9 FTs, 5 Boards, 4 Asst's, 54 Minutes

Pretty darn impressive in a 3 OT win!

[LizziebethHoya]

ESPN is noting that it is a career high for Jeff!

[lichoya68]

JEFF WOW 30T 37 5 REBBIES 4 ASSISTS 12-21 4-5 THREES 9-9FOUL SHOTS GREAT LINE AND THEY WON WITHOUT KD WOW GREAT GAME JEFF and greg is coming on go hoyas old and new and future

[lichoya68]

but jeff must be getting tired ONLY played like 54 minutes what the problem go hoyas go jeff keep it up if this team ever gets all healthy and back at once watch out nba for the young ;Dins